Really?This was a huge win for the fans, better than beating the Scousers. See the bigger picture.
So what's the alternative? This thread was created for youReally?
This will now be turned on it's head because of the idiots inside the stadium and those outside fighting the police.
It was stupid to blockade the players and even more stupid to enter the stadium. Unfortunately, they're football supporters and virtually guaranteed to be some sort of aggro.
What does it matter what they've being the last 16 years. This is about you go giving those fans better alternatives.I'd like to know what they've been doing for the last 16 years.
Surely, if they're this fired up, they will have been out every day protesting, won't they?
They are.I thought they were non-voting shares?
Sustained negative publicity alone could affect the club's shares. That would definitely bother them. If the protests keep building and lead to changes in ownership legislation, that will definitely bother them. People moaning on Redcafe about the postponement and pooh-poohing the efforts of genuine fans is something they definitely won't give a feck about. They'd probably love you for doing their dirty work.They really won’t because those same fans will still be subbed to the likes of Sky and BT. They will still be buying next season’s kit and they will still be paying for tickets to OT. They will no doubt hear about it, but they won’t care about it.
If you don’t protest, nothing will happen, if you do protest something might happen.I'm against it because it's not going to achieve anything. This will be in the media for a few days and that's it. The Glazers don't care about any of this. If stuff like this continues it will hurt United more than the Glazers - they will wait it out like all the protests before. This is basically a tantrum and they will treat it like one...
The only way to force the Glazers out is to pressure the politicians to legislate 50+1, no other protest will be successful. These protesters should go to London and do this in front of the parliament, not Lowry and Old Trafford... Pressure the politicians who care about being re-elected - that's the only way to go, if you want something to change.
This is exactly the wrong attitude and what Carragher was good enough to point because the media will spin it towards this.Really?
This will now be turned on it's head because of the idiots inside the stadium and those outside fighting the police.
It was stupid to blockade the players and even more stupid to enter the stadium. Unfortunately, they're football supporters and virtually guaranteed to be some sort of aggro.
At the same time what does the protest actually achieve?What do you think fans should do instead? I'd love to see some alternatives.
The Glazers aren’t selling any shares that result in them losing any amount of their ownership stake in the club. You’re telling people to buy shares because that will push them to sell. No it won’t. The shares you’re buying aren’t from the Glazers pot.Do you really think that’s how the cause and effect works here?
This is absolutely impossible to coordinate, and even if somehow you manage to get hundreds of millions of United fans to do it, then the Glaziers will just increase the allocation for away fans - they don't care.You have to pinch them where it matters: money. When the whole stadiums open up again, dont go to old trafford. They would listen then because they hate losing money.
It depends on how you look at it. For me, it's the biggest game in the English football calendar, no doubt. The amount of exposure across the world, the number of fans. It's an enormous game. Sometimes it is easy to forget how big it is from your own sofa.I'm interested in whether any fans genuinely feel happy about today, or just feel it's a but crap but a necessary evil?
I can see the second view, but not the first one. That just felt a depressing total waste of time for an afternoon to me.
Our club is more important your afternoon.Not enter OT or prevent the team from leaving the hotel and ruin my afternoon
this. This is the only solution, of course that requires sacrifice and we all know how people are so no chance of that happening. Some will mention tourists filling the stadium, id be amazed if there was more then 10k of them and have a feeling i said a lot more then it actually is.You have to pinch them where it matters: money. When the whole stadiums open up again, dont go to old trafford. They would listen then because they hate losing money.
A peaceful protest happened last Saturday. Arsenal fans had one too.Peaceful "protest" is an absurd concept and would demand a charismatic figure in the leadership.
For me that’s just never gonna happen particularly coming off the back of a pandemic when the stadium’s have been closed for over a year. Fans will be desperate to get back into OT.You have to pinch them where it matters: money. When the whole stadiums open up again, dont go to old trafford. They would listen then because they hate losing money.
Easy to say, but there will always be the kind of people who show up just for the violence, probably intoxicated. In a perfect world, this would have gone down without the injuries.Not invade the pitch and get the game called off. Some of those people are just looking to cause trouble, looking to have fun and using the well being of the club as an excuse.
People against today's protests are the type who'd wank themselves silly over the superleague or appreciate BLM but call the protestors scum for doing something about it.What do you think fans should do instead? I'd love to see some alternatives.
You will never see a Labour government push through such an anti-business policy, let alone the Conservatives. If you want to blame anyone for the Glazers, blame the FA and the PL for allowing it to happen; not just to us but to clubs like Newcastle and and even Chelsea and City.Sustained negative publicity alone could affect the club's shares. That would definitely bother them. If the protests keep building and lead to changes in ownership legislation, that will definitely bother them. People moaning on Redcafe about the postponement and pooh-poohing the efforts of genuine fans is something they definitely won't give a feck about. They'd probably love you for doing their dirty work.
Sorry to break it to you but nobody gives a shite about your afternoon.Not enter OT or prevent the team from leaving the hotel and ruin my afternoon
Would love to know how they got in the actual stadium. Didn't like that bit at all. Chucking flares, smashing camera, putting everyone's safety at risk in distanced times etc. Though people will sneer at those as "one offs" or not important.It depends on how you look at it. For me, it's the biggest game in the English football calendar, no doubt. The amount of exposure across the world, the number of fans. It's an enormous game. Sometimes it is easy to forget how big it is from your own sofa.
The fact this was cancelled today rain and again. It's not looking good for the Glazers. Think of all the sponsorship deals and TV deals at risk. It was so easy for the fans to disrupt the game today. It is not good at all from a business sense, I have no doubt that they will be reassessing things as we speak, they need to stop this because it is going to ultimately hurt them where it matters most to them - their wallet.
All in all it has been an excellent day for the "Legacy fans". It's unfortunate we didn't see a game but the more you look at the big picture, it's harder and harder to be bothered by it.
We’re certainly have an idea whom really support this club as through thick and thin, whom see United as an institution, a part of community, rather than Sunday’s entertainment.Our club is more important your afternoon.
United and Liverpool fans coming together to march on Westminster during the game demanding legislative change giving fans more of a say in how their clubs are run. The glazers are the symptom not the cause - remove them and some other glazer with better PR will just come along.So what's the alternative? This thread was created for you
And the Glazers don’t give a shite about what you think about the way they run their business.Sorry to break it to you but nobody gives a shite about your afternoon.
We already had largely peaceful protests 10 years ago. Direct action is needed.A peaceful protest happened last Saturday. Arsenal fans had one too.
Yes because the alternative is doing nothing or doing something completely ineffective like buying non-voting shares. That's why I salute those fans who stormed Old Trafford today.“You have to start somewhere”
Oh but they do. It's the average fans' willingness to tolerate the Glazers that has allowed them to stay.And the Glazers don’t give a shite about what you think about the way they run their business.
Who have done nothing other than got a game postponed in the scheme of thingsYes because the alternative is doing nothing or doing something completely ineffective like buying non-voting shares. That's why I salute those fans who stormed Old Trafford today.
If fans peacefully protest every week outside OT change could happen. It's bad publicity for the Glazers and they might have enough of it when they realise it's not going away. Violence is not the answer.We already had largely peaceful protests 10 years ago. Direct action is needed.
Couldn’t do us a favour and use that crystal ball for next weeks lottery numbers please?Who have done nothing other than got a game postponed in the scheme of things
We did protest in our thousands, and nothing happened. It was a big movement — nothing came of it.If fans peacefully protest every week outside OT change could happen. It's bad publicity for the Glazers and they might have enough of it when they realise it's not going away. Violence is not the answer.
That's actually not a good way to remove leeches, despite what the movies might say.Look... more flares, fireworks, burning and looting blasting from massive speakers - that's what we need.
Check your PMsCouldn’t do us a favour and use that crystal ball for next weeks lottery numbers please?
The Glazers aren't spiteful internet trolls though, they are businessmen who would never let it come to that.Do you really think this will work, rather than just end up costing the players and manager any success they might have?
And would you be happy enough if it took 5 years of boycots and demonstrations by which point we're in the middle of the championship and sold all our players?
I am a Scouse Red. Fair play to you lot today. Right against rivalry!
I have just joined this forum, but probably wont be here very often, but wanted to give my solidarity.
We need to put rivalries aside now. You have a birth-right to hate Liverpool FC, I have a birth-right to hate MU as club too. But we are so similar as fans. and now is the time to be as one.
Plastic fans like you are ruining ours.Not sure what’s pathetic about it really? I planned my day around watching this game. These pricks have ruined my afternoon/evening.
Also you didn't have the social media factor back then. Fans are harassing sponsors on there writing negative comments under their posts. They won't like that and with the constant protests outside the stadium it's all bad publicity.We did protest in our thousands, and nothing happened. It was a big movement — nothing came of it.
