I'd say the standards of being a good GK have dropped if Scezceny, Leno, Mendy etc are considered good enough for their respective clubs.
No.1 for next season - De Gea or Henderson?
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Not being facetious, but do you think they can afford his wages?
Henderson all day long. DDG won't accept being No2 and his wages are a massive issue.
No one can then.
I think we can forget Italian teams unless Juve shifts Ronaldo, perhaps. A few like Bayern, PSG, Chelsea and Madrid can afford him. But...Bayern don't need him, PSG would have him, we wouldn't let him go to Chelsea (and it doesn't solve his desire to be closer to his partner) and Madrid don't need him, either. But he's not much closer to home if he were to go to PSG. If he's really desperate to get away, maybe he'll take a huge wage cut for Milan, but I can't see it. Otherwise, we'd have to foot, say, half the bill and not sure we'll be too keen on that, either.
Madrid has debt, they can’t afford him, they are probably in much worse situation than the Italian teams. They are saving money for Mbappe and Courtois is cheaper & better.
Navas just signed new contract.
So we're stuck with him, or, miraculously, we do a swap deal/we accept staggered payments from another Spanish team that isn't Madrid or Atleti and David accepts much lower wages.
That’s why I added Inter & Milan as they might need a new keeper. Handanovic been making mistakes lately and getting too old. Donn arums is likely to leave for free to Juventus.
The fact that Henderson might overtake the best paid keeper in the world speaks a lot about how stupid was to give De Gea that contract.
Like I say, depends how badly David wants to go back to Spain.
That's our specialty - giving contracts to players who are past their best or injury prone.
Lots of stupidity by United with contracts. DDG, Sanchez, Jones, Bailly. I can excuse the need to renew Bailly due to the pandemic and lack of funds to get a CB, DC, CM, RW, and CF. I just hope he stays fit for more than 10 games a season.
Ed the astute negotiator, that's his speciality.
He said.....She said.
Good read this.
I found this quote interesting.
"Sometimes when people see someone make an amazing save, they don't realise they had to make it because they were not in the right position. They needed to correct a mistake."
Wonder whether it applies to de Gea. But certainly liked his comments about Schmeichel always trying to catch the ball.
Jan Oblak on the the art of goalkeeping and becoming one of the world's best
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56928840
I found this quote interesting.
"Sometimes when people see someone make an amazing save, they don't realise they had to make it because they were not in the right position. They needed to correct a mistake."
Wonder whether it applies to de Gea. But certainly liked his comments about Schmeichel always trying to catch the ball.
Jan Oblak on the the art of goalkeeping and becoming one of the world's best
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56928840
I would happily have Henderson as No.1, with Romero as No.2 (provided that relationship can be repaired).
Would like to see De Gea move on now.
Would like to see De Gea move on now.
Romero is gone and no that relationship is not repairable after the way he was treated this season. Dean has had a few games now and it has confirmed my opinion that I want a 3rd choice. DDG may no longer be good enough but Dean is never going to get there either. Sell Dean and take that cash plus add to it and then include DDG in a swap for Oblak.
Henderson will be no 1 next season... i expect David to move on but to say he is not good enough is nonsense.
henderson is better at commanding his box, de gea is still better on his line. if ole truly belongs at the top table of coaches, he will pick both in his starting 12 next year, de gea for his shot stopping, henderson to deal with crosses and sweeping.
Dave is showing he can't be written off.
He's been excellent so far, some really good saves which will probably help him with his confidence.
He's been excellent so far, some really good saves which will probably help him with his confidence.
Those saves 
Shot stopping is overrated as i heard. When gk organises defence is new meta in footballThose saves
Yeah, too many such statements have been recently posted on here about de Gea. His shot stopping is too amazing to just ignore it, though.
Still up for grabs for next season GK1 for me, but DDG should absolutely start the final.
De Gea is at his best when the rest of the team is at its worst, he seems to need shots coming at him as often as possible. Excellent shotstopping today, still stays rooted to his line but that is not gonna change.
Half surprised some idiots aren't blaming De Gea for us conceding those chances today.
Suspect the decision regarding who will be our #1 next season has already been made but DDG has at least shown he deserves to start the final and that there's still quality there for whichever club buys him.
I don't think it has been enough to see off Henderson but he has definitely been much better this season than he was in the previous two.
Suspect the decision regarding who will be our #1 next season has already been made but DDG has at least shown he deserves to start the final and that there's still quality there for whichever club buys him.
I don't think it has been enough to see off Henderson but he has definitely been much better this season than he was in the previous two.
If he can maintain today's showing then no question, David de Gea.
I like the idea of rotating them. If they're both fine with this we can play one in the league and the other in CL and cups next season. Plenty of games for both.
One game. That was just one game. His slide from the top was many more than that.
Who's to say those saves would have been needed if the defence was better organised by the GK?
Does he still play for Spain?
surely his desire to play for the national team will have an impact on whether he’s happy to stay and either be no 2 or be sharing the no 1 shirt.
surely his desire to play for the national team will have an impact on whether he’s happy to stay and either be no 2 or be sharing the no 1 shirt.
Indeed. He was excellent tonight, but that doesn't erase the last 2 and a half years.
Said it in the other thread, essentially David is a better shot stopper, but Henderson a better organizer. You'd want David behind Ferdinand/Vidic, think you want Henderson behind maguire/lindeloff.
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Being dropped from the league seems to have been the antidote to David’s poor spell. Amazing what decent competition for a spot can do.
I agree. But for what we paid to get Maguire, and the fact he is captain, you’d hope he was capable of getting his defenders on the same page.
True, but it's the card dealt and he's not to blame for his transfer fee.
He hasn’t though for many years now. He can be a worldie one game then drop a clanger the very next. He played at his top level week in week out for Van Gaal, now it’s not so certain how he’ll go. But it looks like Ole has decided who his no 1 is and Dave’s agent needs to earn his percentage for him.
Henderson is our #1 going forward, De Gea was absolutely wonderful today, but it is time. Let’s move him to where he wants to go, get out from under his contract. Win Win for both
I reallt appreciate the 10 or so years DDG has been here, i'd love for him to stay but for me, Henderson should be number one. I feel DDG lacks control of his backline, is not confident enough coming off his line and his distribution is average. Saying that, I still think he is the best shot stopper in the world but these days, goalkeepers need to be more rounded which i think he is not. I hope he finds a move because i would hate to see him sitting and rotting on our bench. I think PSG would be a great place for him after Navas f'd up in the first leg against City.
I think De Gea is probably the best shot stopper I've ever seen. However, his all round game is not top level.
Henderson is a good shot stopper, he also has good distribution and sweeps well.
For right now, with the way football is played I think its a no brainer that Henderson should be our no.1. He seems to communicate better with the defence than De Gea too. Henderson is also much better at covering some of our weaknesses in defence:
- he can sweep up for Maguire when he gets beaten for pace
- he can come and collect confidently when Lindelof or AWB are defending high balls
- he provides real leadership in the defence which aside from Maguire I don't think we have
I think we should try and sell De Gea, but that will be harder said than done. The only way this is possible from what I can see that happening is if Oblak leaves Atleti. Oblak is on £275,000.00 per week. De Gea and Oblak are quite similar keepers in so far as they are not particularly great with their feet but are excellent shot stoppers so if Atleti wanted De Gea that could work. De Gea would have to take a pay cut, but he might be willing if he was offered a lengthy contract considering his desire to move back to Madrid.
The big question I think though is whether Henderson is really an elite level keeper, or whether he can develop into that in a season or two. I think its possible.
But I do think the big consistent factor for dominant teams in recent years is having an elite level keeper who is good at all the keeper basics but an elite distributor.
If Ole thinks Henderson isn't that then maybe the plan is to cash in on both De Gea and Henderson this summer whilst their stock is high. But I have no idea who could come in who would be that player.
Henderson is a good shot stopper, he also has good distribution and sweeps well.
For right now, with the way football is played I think its a no brainer that Henderson should be our no.1. He seems to communicate better with the defence than De Gea too. Henderson is also much better at covering some of our weaknesses in defence:
- he can sweep up for Maguire when he gets beaten for pace
- he can come and collect confidently when Lindelof or AWB are defending high balls
- he provides real leadership in the defence which aside from Maguire I don't think we have
I think we should try and sell De Gea, but that will be harder said than done. The only way this is possible from what I can see that happening is if Oblak leaves Atleti. Oblak is on £275,000.00 per week. De Gea and Oblak are quite similar keepers in so far as they are not particularly great with their feet but are excellent shot stoppers so if Atleti wanted De Gea that could work. De Gea would have to take a pay cut, but he might be willing if he was offered a lengthy contract considering his desire to move back to Madrid.
The big question I think though is whether Henderson is really an elite level keeper, or whether he can develop into that in a season or two. I think its possible.
But I do think the big consistent factor for dominant teams in recent years is having an elite level keeper who is good at all the keeper basics but an elite distributor.
If Ole thinks Henderson isn't that then maybe the plan is to cash in on both De Gea and Henderson this summer whilst their stock is high. But I have no idea who could come in who would be that player.