FrankDrebin
Don't call me Shirley
Fred is the better and more effective of the two but there's a clear need of upgrading on both.
It’s laughable, same with the AWB thread, so incredibly over the top, but hey, Jacob Ramsey has just come on in CM, presumably he’s better than our midfield tooThis thread is embarrassing. See how everyone quiets down about the midfield once the forwards make all their pressure and possession count and actually score? The problem isn’t that we concde the odd goal or that the midfield lack in the buildup. It’s that we have loads of the ball and muster up relatively little threat on goal between our attackers. Of course we are going to be susceptible on the counter when we spend 2/3 of the game aimlessly attacking and half heartedly pressing.
Criticism of Fred and McTominay as a midfield pairing for Manchester United is perfectly reasonable, rational and justified. Most of it is supported by evidence, too.This thread is embarrassing. See how everyone quiets down about the midfield once the forwards make all their pressure and possession count and actually score? The problem isn’t that we concde the odd goal or that the midfield lack in the buildup. It’s that we have loads of the ball and muster up relatively little threat on goal between our attackers. Of course we are going to be susceptible on the counter when we spend 2/3 of the game aimlessly attacking and half heartedly pressing.
I’m sorry but you guys are mostly just followers. Especially posters who seem to think the midfield is poor but then at the same time will tell you with a straight face that McT is a way better player than Fred. The same people were calling for Pogba or someone “more technical” in there all season. Have you seen the central midfields of the teams around us apart from city? This thread is terrible and you are fools for keeping it going. The reason we aren’t winning anything major this year is because we aren’t nearly creative or consistent enough amongst the forward 3 and without Cavani we’ve lacked any focal point in the box for long periods.Criticism of Fred and McTominay as a midfield pairing for Manchester United is perfectly reasonable, rational and justified. Most of it is supported by evidence, too.
You seem to think the front 3 should be the only catalyst for chances. The main criticism of McFred is their lack of creativity from midfieldI’m sorry but you guys are mostly just followers. Especially posters who seem to think the midfield is poor but then at the same time will tell you with a straight face that McT is a way better player than Fred. The same people were calling for Pogba or someone “more technical” in there all season. Have you seen the central midfields of the teams around us apart from city? This thread is terrible and you are fools for keeping it going. The reason we aren’t winning anything major this year is because we aren’t nearly creative or unpredictable enough amongst the forward 3 and without Cavani we’ve lacked any focal point in the box for long periods.
There are multiple areas of the team that needs to improve, the McTominay-Fred pairing included. The midfield is not poor; both players are good, but it isn’t good enough and we need a midfielder or two who can offer more with the ball from deep. All reasonable, all right.I’m sorry but you guys are mostly just followers. Especially posters who seem to think the midfield is poor but then at the same time will tell you with a straight face that McT is a way better player than Fred. The same people were calling for Pogba or someone “more technical” in there all season. Have you seen the central midfields of the teams around us apart from city? This thread is terrible and you are fools for keeping it going. The reason we aren’t winning anything major this year is because we aren’t creative enough amongst the forward 3 and without Cavani we lack any focal point in the box.
There are multiple areas of the team that needs to improve, the McTominay-Fred pairing included. The midfield is not poor; both players are good, but it isn’t good enough and we need a midfielder or two who can offer more with the ball from deep. All reasonable, all right.
this thread is a jokeThere are multiple areas of the team that needs to improve, the McTominay-Fred pairing included. The midfield is not poor; both players are good, but it isn’t good enough and we need a midfielder or two who can offer more with the ball from deep. All reasonable, all right.
Because you dislike it when posters with more than a couple of brain cells tell it how it is? Grow a set.this thread is a joke
Calm down pal. It's a forum meant for discussion. McFred partnership is a big talking point. Not sure why you are so offended by it.this thread is a joke
Grow a set? Grow a brain and think for yourself. Remember you’re posting in a thread saying they are the worst midfield pairing in the top 10 with absolutely nothing to back it up. On the contrary we are second and the midfield have been fine. Could they still be better? Probably a little bit. If we want to go up another level the forwards need to sort themselves out first and foremost. If you think a controlling midfielder would boost out attackers performances by as many goals and and assists we need to step up then you’re crazy. Look at the attacking numbers of players on other successful teams and get back to me.Because you dislike it when posters with more than a couple of brain cells tell it how it is? Grow a set.
It is a talking point I agree, but it’s an extreme (and over the top imo) view to say they’re the worst midfield of the top 10 teams. It’s also frustrating that this thread is bumped as soon as we go behind.Calm down pal. It's a forum meant for discussion. McFred partnership is a big talking point. Not sure why you are so offended by it.
Fred's creativity is on par or better than most players in his position. People seem to significantly over-estimate how much players in that position actually do in other teams.You seem to think the front 3 should be the only catalyst for chances. The main criticism of McFred is their lack of creativity from midfield
I’m posting in a thread expressing my own views, not those of the OP. These views have been expressed fairly and accurately. Feel free to read back what I’ve written and educate yourself. Failing that, wipe up your snotters and start posting with a little bit more of a clue.Grow a set? Grow a brain and think for yourself. Remember you’re posting in a thread saying they are the worst midfield pairing in the top 10 with absolutely nothing to back it up. On the contrary we are second and the midfield have been fine. If we want to go up another level the forwards need to sort themselves out first and foremost. If you think a controlling midfielder would boost out attackers performances by as many goals and and assists we need to step up then you’re crazy.
Look at our attackers goals and assists. Now look at other league and CL winning forward lines. See the huge difference in creativity and output? No?The point is that if we want to compete for the biggest trophies, the midfield isn't good enough. Are they good players? Yes. But look at the midfield of the best teams in the world and I'm sorry but McFred doesn't compare to them. That's what Manchester United players should be compared to, not West Ham or Leicester
Except we regularly outplay sides with so called better midfields.The point is that if we want to compete for the biggest trophies, the midfield isn't good enough. Are they good players? Yes. But look at the midfield of the best teams in the world and I'm sorry but McFred doesn't compare to them. That's what Manchester United players should be compared to, not West Ham or Leicester
McTominay was purely passenger in first half to me.Thought they played well today. Strange time to criticise them
As I said above. Go and look at league and CL winning teams. Look at their forwards output in goals and assists. We aren’t even close. That’s the main problem.I’m posting in a thread expressing my own views, not those of the OP. These views have been expressed fairly and accurately. Feel free to read back what I’ve written and educate yourself. Failing that, wipe up your snotters and start posting with a little bit more of a clue.
To go up another level we need to do a fair few things: bring in a robust centre half, sign a right winger, ensure that we seek to (eventually) replace Cavani with a player of a similar profile. And yes, perhaps most of all, improve upon a first choice midfield duo that consists of McTominay and Fred.
There was a time (i think maybe one of the liverpool games) where McT was getting the ball out of tight spaces in the press all game. Looked a different class to now. I think both are inconsistent and I think McFred is made tactically redundant in games where the opposition dont want the ball - the Leeds game being most recent example. But games are won and lost in midfield and we have won more than often. They arent bad Just dont think they are always a go to midfield.Fred should not be tarred with the same brush as McTominay. Fred may have his shortcomings, but his contributions to our midfield far outweigh McTominay's. I struggle to see what the Scott actually offers. Doesn't contribute a great deal in progressing the ball up the pitch and constantly seems to shy away from being an option for our defence when they have the ball. He's not good enough with the ball at his feet to be a starter for us.
Bet you were one of the plonkers who thought lingard was championship quality too.Fred is fecking rubbish.
I like Mctominay generally but he's been even worse than Fred recently.
League and CL winning teams have better starting midfield pairings.As I said above. Go and look at league and CL winning teams. Look at their forwards output in goals and assists. We aren’t even close. That’s the main problem.