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In case someone will miss this:

I've compiled a bunch of shortlists for the remaining polls — I've tried to include all of the players that can be controversial in terms of their allocations. Do comment on them, since quite a few of them are somewhat in-between categories — I'll can move them if many of you disagree with my assessments.

The categories themselves are roughly based on the traditional W-M frontline
WINGER ---- STRIKER ---- WINGER
FORWARD - FORWARD

Figo
Beckham
Giggs
Matthews
Finney
Garrincha
Overmars
Keizer
Džajić
Lato
Gadocha
Johnstone
Robben
Ribery
Conti
Causio
Czibor
Julinho
Gento
Best
Hamrin
Pepe
Amaro
Littbarski
Barnes
Pires
Futre
Di Maria
Joya
Cubilla
Brian Laudrup
Donadoni
Ginola
Ghiggia
Moulijin
Waddle
Chislenko
Jair
Messi
Cristiano
Eusébio
Puskás
Di Stéfano
Blokhin
Rummenigge
Gullit
Nedvěd
Jairzinho
Kubala
F. Walter
Moreno
Zizinho
Pedernera
Hidegkuti
Sívori
V. Mazzola
Scarone
Rocha
Savicevic
Simonsen
T. Müller
Ivanov
Arshavin
Hoeneß
Meazza
Baggio
Sarosi
Sindelar
Henry
F. Albert
Neymar
Stoichkov
Bergkamp
Bene
Kempes
Del Piero
Totti
Cantona
Griezmann
Salah
Mane
Bale
Streltsov
Heynckes
G. Müller
Romario
van Basten
Luis Ronaldo
Seeler
Law
Elkjær
Suarez
Kocsis
Greaves
Nordahl
Batistuta
Dean
Shevchenko
Erico
Klinsmann
Piola
Riva
Charles
van Nistelrooy
Papin
H. Sanchez
Lewandowski
Weah
Lineker
Völler
Eto'o
Spencer
Drogba
Careca
Shearer
Vieri
Agüero
Torres
Rush
Trezeguet
Crespo
Rossi
Krankl
Kluivert
Rooney
 

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Nedved is very hard to place but given a choice between forward and winger I would choose winger. He rarely player that far forward. He was typically the third most forward player but that was nominally outwide in a 442/4231 for Juve
 

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We never had a Fergie tribute draft.

Just to float an idea -

Your starting 11 should have at least 4 players who played for Fergie and the rest can be who played against Fergie.
 

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Oh, I forgot to comment on it. Good idea. I'm not sure if we should introduce more detailed rules like decades minimum (to use more guys from Aberdeen/late 80's), but it's probably going to overcomplicate stuff.
 

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Oh, I forgot to comment on it. Good idea. I'm not sure if we should introduce more detailed rules like decades minimum (to use more guys from Aberdeen/late 80's), but it's probably going to overcomplicate stuff.
@Šjor Bepo has proposed a way more detailed idea in the new drafts discussion thread. Check it out.
 

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Finally watching the Pele documentary on Netflix.

Had seen the Pele crying picture many times but never seen the footage just before that where a couple of teammates lift him up on their shoulders. Interesting part being Garrincha was one of them.
 

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Trying to capture a screenshot but Netflix turns on all black if you try to take a screenshot :eek:
 

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Zagallo has to be the most humblest footballer despite being a 3 time world cup winner as player and coach
 

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The 1970 footage and angles are just brilliant. Worth watching that bit at least.
 

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No question in my mind who the 2nd best player of that WC was - Rivellino :drool:
 

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Yeah, not the most intriguing sport/football documentary for sure. Those old footages were by far the best part.
 

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The documentary is boring as feck though so far
Put it on the list, watched a trailed or a first minute cant remember really and removed it, not watching that shit.
It was him talking how he never thought he was better then someone else.....thank you very much but if i want a good pr documentary i will go and watch goebbels, cristiano or someone like that from the elite tier of bullshit.
 

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It was him talking how he never thought he was better then someone else
Yea , gives the explanation that he can't be the best as he has to be the best at every position on the pitch for that.

I almost wished he'd end that sentence with 'and only Di Stefano can claim that'. If he'd have said that, I'd have orgasmed :lol:
 

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What's the earliest rabona that you've seen? I'm trying to remember if Sívori or Gento did one, but I'm not sure. Just saw Alan Ball doing one in the warm-up against us in 1967 and got curious, is it possible to pin-point the move's origins.

And what a performance by Ball it was, 2 goals, an assist and could've scored 2 more (and fought tirelessly in midfield).
 

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What's the earliest rabona that you've seen? I'm trying to remember if Sívori or Gento did one, but I'm not sure. Just saw Alan Ball doing one in the warm-up against us in 1967 and got curious, is it possible to pin-point the move's origins.

And what a performance by Ball it was, 2 goals, an assist and could've scored 2 more (and fought tirelessly in midfield).
Wikipedia says this:
Rabona in Spanish means to play hooky, to skip school. The name derives from its first documented performance by Ricardo Infante in a game between Estudiantes and Rosario in 1948.[1][2] The football magazine El Gráfico published a front cover showing Infante dressed as a schoolboy with the caption "El infante que se hizo la rabona" (In English: "The infant plays hooky").

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The first filmed rabona was performed by Brazilian footballer Pelé in the São Paulo state championship in 1957.
Couldn't find the Pele video immediately; maybe it's included in some compilation?
 

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Pele Rabona is there in the Netflix documentary. Might not be the first one though
 

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Nothing beats the classic draft formats. mike's sheep draft was definitely the most active and fun one in the recent few drafts.

Remember a few drafts back when people stopped taking interest, Edgar's back to basics draft kicked things off again.

If you still haven't guessed, it's actually time for an auction draft. That should fill up the numbers quite soon as well.
 

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The 75th draft should be a rapid draft. Below is how it works -

1. All picks to be made on the same day (or max 2 days)
2. You don't get time to think much, 3 minutes per pick.
3. If you don't post within 3 minutes, the next guy can pick.
4. All time open pool to make it easy. (Block list of maybe 6-7 players)
5. After 1st round, all winning team players are blocked and you pick your teams again the same way with the rest of the pool and losing teams.
6. Lesser teams and tougher, so you get 5 minutes this time.
7. Same repeats before semis and finals.

Obviously need to pick a weekend and a time that works for everyone. Some might have to wake up a bit late but should be workable IMO.

Maybe PL game kick off time since I am guessing everyone watches PL games live.
 

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Sounds great but sadly it will never work.
RR idea is brilliant though!
 

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Whenever i watched Roberto Carlos back via old games he never impressed me, in fact it was often the complete opposite so would like to go a bit deeper like we did it with Neeskens but to start with would appreciate if someone could give me his 3 year peak :)
 

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Whenever i watched Roberto Carlos back via old games he never impressed me, in fact it was often the complete opposite so would like to go a bit deeper like we did it with Neeskens but to start with would appreciate if someone could give me his 3 year peak :)
I'm not definite on this but looking at his individual awards I'd go 96/97, 97/98 and 98/99. He was second in FIFA's World Player of the Year in 1997
 

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Watched 1988 European Cup finals to see more Koeman, but man did Lerby steal the show. Dude was everywhere and the sheer number of times, he's popped up ahead of the forwards!

I certainly think putting him as pivot/deepest midfielder is not the best use of him. LCM in a pure box to box role is what he should be playing.
 

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A never-nude? I thought he just liked cut-offs.
Watched 1988 European Cup finals to see more Koeman, but man did Lerby steal the show. Dude was everywhere and the sheer number of times, he's popped up ahead of the forwards!

I certainly think putting him as pivot/deepest midfielder is not the best use of him. LCM in a pure box to box role is what he should be playing.
Pure DM doesn't maximise him I agree, although he can play the role well. I don't really know what I was thinking in the early drafting but at one stage I was toying with the idea of an Atletico-style narrow 4-4-2 with Lerby as a left midfielder, a role that I'm pretty sure I've seen him play for Denmark. It would rarely leap off the page as a sexy option in a draft though, bar maybe as a way to accomodate a LB in the Marcelo mode and/or a 'luxury' midfielder like Pirlo.