I don't see anyone who he could have brought on that would benefit us in any way ?
All his options were defensive.
All his options were defensive.
What did Ole get wrong today ?
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He could have brought on VDB instead of Fred, could have brought on Diallo who looks to have something different about him. Leaving on Rashford was a big mistake to me, Greenwood was offering a lot more. Cavani was also gassed during extra time.
I actually think he should have started with Rashford on the bench, and have him as a game changer. Oh well, we move on. It's a bit of a worrying trend with Ole and crunch games however.
I actually think he should have started with Rashford on the bench, and have him as a game changer. Oh well, we move on. It's a bit of a worrying trend with Ole and crunch games however.
Subs. Only that.
The rest, the players on the pitch didn't deliver. He didn't help in putting on the right players at the right time, but rather rewarded complacency and fatigue with keeping them on. Just not good enough when it comes to subs for me.
The rest, the players on the pitch didn't deliver. He didn't help in putting on the right players at the right time, but rather rewarded complacency and fatigue with keeping them on. Just not good enough when it comes to subs for me.
He needs to use the midfield that started against Wolves as a template, and then build from there with this type but better quality. Couldn’t care less if that means Bruno, Pogba and Scott clear off as a result. I’m tired of a centre of midfield that is judged by moments and fecking G+A stats rather than controlling a football match.
Fred for rashford waaaaay earlier than he did. Fred not starting meant there was little we could do from the bench. I’d have gone Axel for Bailly earlier too to allow Lindelof to move to Rcb and distribute better.
The OP must be a scouser or just blind. Bloody hell.
Shouldn't have started Rashford so we'd have had an option off the bench. Pogba starting on the left would've improved things over Rashford.
Needed to be proactive with subs obviously.
Needed to be proactive with subs obviously.
Not bringing on a goalkeeper who might save a pen stands out for me.
Squad management. Absolutely appaling. How little can you trust your players?! Villareal were bringing on players we've never heard of. But it gave them control in the last half hour of the game. We were out on our feet. Ole was out coached tonight. No two ways about it.
The entire extra time was on him. The first 90 were on the players.
A bit of everything really.
No they weren’t. Fresh legs were required. Amad, VDB could have made a difference. The full backs should have been replaced. Hell even Elanga was worth a shot.
And with a sub left to make, how he didn't bring on Hendo is beyond me. There's only one outcome going into a penalty shoot out with DDG. He last saved one in 2016. Hendo has saved a few since then.
Playing Rahsford. Keeping Rashford on. Fred for Greenwood. Our set pieces again. Our football in the final third against deep sitting sides that cost a tenth of what our squad did. Our mental block in important games. Getting outrun by a bunch of mid thirties in extra time. Etc etc
Well if we had the answer to that, we wouldn't be sitting here commenting on a forum. We don't play great football and he didn't make a sub for about 100 minutes. Now, you can point to the bench, but other managers often have less quality than us and they still manage to make good subs that have a positive impact.
Sub Rashford after an hour, put in James/Amad early and try to go for win in normal time. If, he was going to pussy his way into a penalty shootout, then at least sub your strongest GK in.
Only thing he did right was to put out the XI which he did, everything after that was a disaster. But, we already know his in-game management is absolutely abysmal.
Only thing he did right was to put out the XI which he did, everything after that was a disaster. But, we already know his in-game management is absolutely abysmal.
DE Gea
He had five subs available. Mata or DVB would get 20 mins to bring some creativity and movement up top, Amad to stretch them over the top, James to kill them with pace down the channel, Fred to freshen up the legs in the midfield when Pogba was blowing out his backside. But Ole’s first move was in the 99th minute. Scandalous really
He played his hand straight away that was the problem tonight, it's fine playing all your big hitters if your plan is to go at them from minute one at 100 mile an hour but when you don't and you've left yourself nothing in reserve you get what we saw tonight
The only available subs he had really was Fred on in midfield and move Pogba into the attack (which he did) and maybe Telles on for Shaw. Other than that you're looking at Dan James, Mata and Amad. Amad could have been used but it's a big call to throw someone with such little football under their belt into a final but then we could have given Amad more game time before tonight so there's that
Ultimately tonight's team selection reads that Ole didn't have it in him to leave one of Pogba/Rashford/Greenwood on the bench and that suggests he doesn't have it in him to make the difficult calls which needs to be made to be successful
The only available subs he had really was Fred on in midfield and move Pogba into the attack (which he did) and maybe Telles on for Shaw. Other than that you're looking at Dan James, Mata and Amad. Amad could have been used but it's a big call to throw someone with such little football under their belt into a final but then we could have given Amad more game time before tonight so there's that
Ultimately tonight's team selection reads that Ole didn't have it in him to leave one of Pogba/Rashford/Greenwood on the bench and that suggests he doesn't have it in him to make the difficult calls which needs to be made to be successful
It was a catalog of errors to be honest. Starting by subs, to shit coaching against low blocks, to shit coaching at dead balls, to keeping De Gea in goal. I believe one of them 4 solved and we win this game
because we were in control of the game until extra timeSame as he’s getting wrong for months. His influence on games has rarely extended beyond hoping one of his players has an individual moment of magic.
I think there are still enormous question marks about his competence that fortunate with rivals having very poor seasons have gone a long way to distracting us all from.
Poor preparation for games that’s evidenced by how often we go behind and need to claw our way back has been overlooked for a while.
I think there are still enormous question marks about his competence that fortunate with rivals having very poor seasons have gone a long way to distracting us all from.
Poor preparation for games that’s evidenced by how often we go behind and need to claw our way back has been overlooked for a while.
Amad for Rashford.
Couldn’t coach the team to break a defense that sit deep when we were in control. in other words, his philosophy which has been stated 1000 times is like mourinho where he thrive of counter attacking play. Emery did his job perfectly and nullified our gameplan.
Moreover, we have a squad that cost a billion dollars. Ole needed to make more changes similiarly to emery to freshen to the team up. It is a crime that we couldn’t get more out of our squad than what we did today.
Moreover, we have a squad that cost a billion dollars. Ole needed to make more changes similiarly to emery to freshen to the team up. It is a crime that we couldn’t get more out of our squad than what we did today.
Exactly. An average player with fresh legs is better than a knackered good player. Greenwood coming off was loco.
Pogba in midfield. Needed to play him left of the front three and bring Rashford on against tired legs.
Not bringing Fred on for Rashford to put Pogba higher up the pitch.
Not making subs until the boys were gassed out.
Lindelof over Tuanzebe.
Not bringing Fred on for Rashford to put Pogba higher up the pitch.
Not making subs until the boys were gassed out.
Lindelof over Tuanzebe.
Bailly-Lindelof pairing.
Leaving Rashford on when he wasn't offering anything.
Leaving it too late to freshen up the team and seeing us fade into anonymity.
Not having the balls to throw on Hendo for the shootout.
Leaving Rashford on when he wasn't offering anything.
Leaving it too late to freshen up the team and seeing us fade into anonymity.
Not having the balls to throw on Hendo for the shootout.
Everything. Just a shit show from start to finish.
I thought taking Greenwood off instead of Rashford was criminal.
Yes Rashford is more established, but on form only one of them deserved to start the final.
Yes Rashford is more established, but on form only one of them deserved to start the final.
didn't make the subs to win in it in regulation/extra time, didn't make the one sub he had to make to win the pens.
playing a half-dead Rashford for 120 was criminal too.
playing a half-dead Rashford for 120 was criminal too.
1) I was surprised he left no ace on the bench he could bring on. That should have been Greenwood. Okay Fred may have not been fully fit but then he could have used Matic next to McTominay with Pogba off the left. Villarreal just sat deep and aren’t very quick so Matic would have been fine in this game.
2) What happened in extra time was scandalous. We had 30 minutes to win the game but either the team was gassed or we were way too cautious. We completely wasted that period doing feck all and Ole not changing it up is a real black mark on his management.
2) What happened in extra time was scandalous. We had 30 minutes to win the game but either the team was gassed or we were way too cautious. We completely wasted that period doing feck all and Ole not changing it up is a real black mark on his management.
Taking off Greenwood instead of Rashford was His worst decision.
Starting line up
So painfully easy to read
Don’t play rashford against a low block we found the answer with pogba lw we needed ball players not hit and hopers
Awful attitude. Rashford was horrific, yet was left on.
you need to be seen to try rectify a reoccurring problem. Fresh legs with 20-30 to go is far better than winging it and hoping Plan A works.
he done the same against PSG, didn’t react to what was glaringly obvious and it’s backfired on him.
no one would complain if he made changes and result went against him. Taking Greenwood off who was causing more bother all game than Rashford. It’s just odd he leaves who he does on - andhow late he makes changes.
Unai won it for Villarreal, with a lesser XI and lesser bench, but made changes when we were on top to slow us down - it worked. Ole failed to react - he failed. Fine lines but it is what it is
Mata, James, Amad and VdB aren't defensive, and there's no way any of them could be any worse then Pogba or Rashford.
We know Mata and VdB like to get intricate around the box... Why not try that in extra time? It's something different isn't it... As opposed to well, whatever it is we weren't going.
Even the defenders, why not bring Telles on to whip balls in? Or put Matic at CB to drive forward... Just you know freshen it up, do something, anything would have been better then the literal nothing we contributed in ET
1000000%
Rubbish coaching, no credentials and his team showing no ability to break down a defence.
He could have subbed Rashford who had an AWFUL game instead of Greenwood, could have change the formation, could have made some subs earlier so the players werent fatigued and actually could create half a chance in over time.
Any one defending Ole's decisions tonight is seriously biased, he feck it up BIG time.
Any one defending Ole's decisions tonight is seriously biased, he feck it up BIG time.
I didn't want to jump into the match threads in case emotions are high but here anybody opening this thread should at least be open to the idea that he did get things wrong.
Simply put, he is not a good manager. He completely bottled his team selection and ducked out of having to leave one of Greenwood, Rashford or Pogba on the bench. This is a mistake he has made before (done it in the semi final last year didn't he??)
Not only did it not work but it left him with no desirable options (in his eyes but that's another matter) to change the game from the bench which you always want in a cup game. He was stumped from the off.
Really, really poor.
Simply put, he is not a good manager. He completely bottled his team selection and ducked out of having to leave one of Greenwood, Rashford or Pogba on the bench. This is a mistake he has made before (done it in the semi final last year didn't he??)
Not only did it not work but it left him with no desirable options (in his eyes but that's another matter) to change the game from the bench which you always want in a cup game. He was stumped from the off.
Really, really poor.
For me, it was team selection. The team he played from the start was the team he puts out after 70min when we need to score, not from the start. This had the negative implication of subs and how to change the game later when we did need a goal.