Do we extend Ole's contract?

[lefty_jakobz]

The contract will get extended for 3 years. We will not win anything in those 3 years.
We will struggle next season, the teams around us will improve more than Ole can improve us.
Hes not even a reasonable manager hes mediocre at best.
His legend status is keeping him in the job.
The Glazers are willing for him to fail so it deflects any criticism away from them.
We are what Liverpool were pre-Klopp.
Sad to say but im starting to dislike Ole

 

[Knux]

When has any ANY player ever said, geez I wanna sign for the club because I want to play under Ole? No one!

He's totally out of his depth at a club of Manchester United's caliber. And he's a mediocre coach (or rather a self-admitted non-coach) that can't develop any one's playing career.

Pretty immature comment. Are you 13 years old? How do you know what players think about Ole? Sancho wants to come, probably a few more.

 

[el3mel]

Pretty immature comment. Are you 13 years old? How do you know what players think about Ole? Sancho wants to come, probably a few more.

Extending his contract just for the transfers is a terrible excuse. Players join Manchester United because we are Manchester United, not because Ole or whoever is the manager. In modern football all players know that managers can be sacked few months into the season if things went shit, so even if he was given a new contract now there's nothing preventing us from sacking him by December if things went south.

There's absolutely no reason to rush and throw a contract at him. Wait till new year then evaluate.

If we give a contract now it must be a one more year max. Giving him a 3 years contract now will be a travesty.

 

[Denis79]

It makes sense to extend his contract now to give players and incoming signings assurance that the Ole train will keep rolling on for another three years atleast.

Players seems to love Ole and the toxic environment that crazy frog left is finally gone. Now let’s back him properly and see where we are next year.

Disagree with 3 years but he has done just enough to continue on next season.

 

[pcaming]

Length of his contract makes little difference, we will sack him the same way we always do if he fails.

 

[Glazers Out!]

We're not like that.

This club(and most of the fans) would have stuck with Kovac at Bayern and lost out on the treble.

@Skills is right. This fanbase has an unhealthy relationship with the manager. It's pinning for another SAF-like figure, when that doesn't exist and never will in all likelihood.

What's wrong with someone like Klopp or Pep? There are good managers out there. You just have to pay for them.

 

[meamth]

Ok, so question to you: do you think he has come out on top against the top managers since he's been in charge, more often than not? The Pep stat is strong, sure, but have we had such control over games because of brilliant tactics?

Of course he has, don't come here and say it's player's brilliance shyte. Then you have to go back to CL final 1999 and say Sir Alex was lucky the players saved him with brilliance.
The man can't win the argument, when he won against big teams, you out here saying we didn't dominate, and it was a sham.

 

[TempusFugit]

I don't see why the club is rushing to extend his contract. I say we see how next season goes, another trophyless season and he should be out, no feelings involved. We're quickly becoming a club that's happy to get just top 4, win nothing and call it progress. How many more years? Starting to lose patience, honestly.

 

[Micky Targaryen]

I'm now seeing brand new excuses in favour of extending Ole's contract:

1) We should extend Ole's contract to give assurance to the players.

2) We should extend Ole's contract so we don't put unnecessary pressure on him. (Which by the way, I thought it was the Caf consensus that Ole does his best work under pressure?)

Wtf? Stop politicising everything.

I still stand by the fact that we should only extend a manager's contract based on 2 simple factors: We are pleased with his work, and/or we want to fend off competition for his signature.

 

[tenpoless]

 

[NWRed]

Be hilariously sad when this is announced.

There is no point firing him now but next season you either Wil the PL, CL, FA cup or Carling Cup.

If we don't get a trophy then he has to go. We can't go 5 years without one a pretend there is progress.

Realistically only the Fa cup or Carling cup is winnable

What kind of nonsense logic is this. I suppose Spurs didn't make progress under Pochettino because there was no trophy.

1) He's been in charge for 2.5 years, just over 2 permanently, not 5 years.
2) We've gone from 6th when he took over (playing the worst football I've ever seen at United and basically in freefall) to 3rd to 2nd while massively improving the style of play, giving first team opportunities to youngsters and objectively improving recruitment.

There has been obvious and measurable progress, if we finish next season 1 point off the title and reach the semi-final or final of the CL but don't win anything that again would be progress.

 

[Pexbo]

What kind of nonsense logic is this. I suppose Spurs didn't make progress under Pochettino because there was no trophy.

1) He's been in charge for 2.5 years, just over 2 permanently, not 5 years.
2) We've gone from 6th when he took over (playing the worst football I've ever seen at United and basically in freefall) to 3rd to 2nd while massively improving the style of play, giving first team opportunities to youngsters and objectively improving recruitment.

There has been obvious and measurable progress, if we finish next season 1 point off the title and reach the semi-final or final of the CL but don't win anything that again would be progress.

Well said.

 

[NWRed]

And all's he had to do was destroy team spirit, ruin the confidence of most of the first team squad and throw everyone under the bus anytime there was a setback to protect his own ego.

The man is poison.

 

[OLLY ORANGE]

If the club are choosing to stick with Ole then give him another 12 months contract. If he wins and things improve greatly reward the sucess with a more lucrative and timely contract with what it deserves.
Its not as if he is in high demand any where else or is likely to go to a better job on what he has achieved so far.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

We exceeded expectation in the league. Don't pretend otherwise just to suit your agenda. Most people thought we'd struggle for top 4 before the season.

I’ve gotta call out some serious bs here, and you have the cheek to talkabout agendas
No, most people didn’t think we’d struggle for top 4, and for those that did, many had the struggles down to little faith in the manager.

We ended up with 74 points, I think the late schedule robbed us of a 76-77 point finish, which was the minimum improvement anyone was expecting from last year in the league in order to keep Ole on.

The worry is that once the scousers and Chelsea got their acts together, we fortunately ran out of season else we’d have been caught by both. The worries me for next season.

That said, it’s been improvement enough to back him this Summer and let him have another crack next season, but make no mistake, if he’s backed and can’t maintain a title challenge, this experiment needs binning asap.

 

[stw2022]

We’ve don’t feel like a team on cusp of a title challenge though. Talk about second place or points tallies all you like, this doesn’t feel like a team or manager on the verge of kicking on. It feels like a season where Liverpool’s collapse and Chelsea’s early season issues benefitted us massively. We’re not a tweak or two away

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Pretty immature comment. Are you 13 years old? How do you know what players think about Ole? Sancho wants to come, probably a few more.

Come on man, players wanting to play for Pep or Klopp I get, but if Sancho wants to come, it’s not through desperation of wanting to play for Ole.

 

[ash_86]

He definitely deserves next season. I'd give him a 18 month contract and if there is no silverware next season i'd sack him irrespective of where we finish in the league unless he wins the league title.

 

[SambaBoy]

I think we should.

Last summer transfer window was on par with Mourinho's last and you seen how toxic that turned out. It was billed as a massive summer for United with the signing of Sancho inevitable. We didn't get him, and ended up with a back-up, a CM which even on the face of it, we never really needed and an ageing striker who hadn't played for a number of months. Obviously Cavani turned out to be a masterstroke but if it was Mourinho or a large percentage of other manager, they would throw their toys out the pram and the mood would turn toxic.

Ole has stopped the circus around Pogba somewhat, finally got Shaw performing, brought in decent players when backed, got rid of a lot of deadwood, has us playing the best football since SAF retired and clearly understands United. All these fans calling for him out, want a new shiny toy like Allegri or Conte, and if (and there's no guarantee they would be a success, given what has happened before) they fail, we'd be back to square one. Ole has shown enough this season that he's got us on the right tracks. The massive disappointment was the EL, if we had won that, then the whole trophy thing would be laid to bed and we could continue but it's going to be used against him massively now and it's very difficult to win the LC/FA Cup these days so I'm not sure where are next trophy will come from, if Ole plans on us being in the CL which he needs to to stay in the job. Let's be honest before the season started, most of us claimed it would be a good season just to finish in the top four given the summer we had.

 

[Highfather_24]

I saw some comments on a YT video from rival fans, where they were downplaying Ole's work at Utd, while bigging up Mourinho.

Yet I barely see any Utd fan who thinks firing Mourinho was the wrong decision or anyone that denies that Ole has relatively well this season(but has flaws).

The fact that opposition fans want him gone while bigging up Mourinho, while Utd fans want him to stay, says a lot imo.

 

[stw2022]

What worries me is that he still has no discernible playing style. There is no tactical focus. Van Gaal’s football was boring but at least it was deliberately so as a result of a tactical philosophy. I genuinely cannot see we have any tactical intent beyond naming an XI and hoping Fernandes has a good game.

 

[bsCallout]

Hmmm, not entirely true that.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/predict-the-top-6-20-21-in-order.456505/

Not gone through the whole thread but the first page not a single person has us outside the top 4 and most have us top three.
I think after the Spurs game a few went knee jerk and started predicting relegation but based on that thread and the predict where United will finish thread . Most definitely felt United would be top four(three even)

Check it out after the window was closed, you know before all the hope of a good window and we know the squads. Tune changes quite a lot.

 

[bsCallout]

I saw some comments on a YT video from rival fans, where they were downplaying Ole's work at Utd, while bigging up Mourinho.

Yet I barely see any Utd fan who thinks firing Mourinho was the wrong decision or anyone that denies that Ole has relatively well this season(but has flaws).

The fact that opposition fans want him gone while bigging up Mourinho, while Utd fans want him to stay, says a lot imo.

Does it? They'll slate the current manager for the rival whoever he is.

 

[bsCallout]

I’ve gotta call out some serious bs here, and you have the cheek to talkabout agendas
No, most people didn’t think we’d struggle for top 4, and for those that did, many had the struggles down to little faith in the manager.

We ended up with 74 points, I think the late schedule robbed us of a 76-77 point finish, which was the minimum improvement anyone was expecting from last year in the league in order to keep Ole on.

The worry is that once the scousers and Chelsea got their acts together, we fortunately ran out of season else we’d have been caught by both. The worries me for next season.

That said, it’s been improvement enough to back him this Summer and let him have another crack next season, but make no mistake, if he’s backed and can’t maintain a title challenge, this experiment needs binning asap.

Feel free to check the threads once the window was closed. The tune changed quickly and we weren't expecting top 4.

 

[Siorac]

Thanks for providing a bit of much needed context. Had Bruno chosen to go first and one of Villarreal's players missed we wouldn't be having this conversation and Ole would be nailed on as our best manager since Fergie

But we should still be having this conversation because we still put in an absolutely atrocious performance in a European final against a far inferior team. All the usual issues were there to see: our inability to defend set pieces, the fact that our team usually tends to look like the players met each other for the first time on the morning of the game, that we struggle to break teams down with actual passing moves... winning a penalty shootout wouldn't have magically made these issues go away. They were there, neatly wrapped in 120 minutes of awfulness.

 

[Ludens the Red]

Check it out after the window was closed, you know before all the hope of a good window and we know the squads. Tune changes quite a lot.

It was more the start we made that caused that solitary one page of predicting a non top six without United which is laughable and tells you all you need to know about the sincerity of those predictions. Like I said I think those were knee jerkers post Spurs/Palace etc the dates match up with that. I’m quite pessimistic and I have no issues pointing out Ole’s many flaws but even I was certain we’d finish in the top four this season.

 

[bsCallout]

It was more the start we made that caused that solitary one page of predicting a non top six without United which is laughable and tells you all you need to know about the sincerity of those predictions. Like I said I think those were knee jerkers post Spurs/Palace etc the dates match up with that. I’m quite pessimistic and I have no issues pointing out Ole’s many flaws but even I was certain we’d finish in the top four this season.

It was more the start we made that caused that solitary one page of predicting a non top six without United which is laughable and tells you all you need to know about the sincerity of those predictions. Like I said I think those were knee jerkers post Spurs/Palace etc the dates match up with that. I’m quite pessimistic and I have no issues pointing out Ole’s many flaws but even I was certain we’d finish in the top four this season.

There are plenty of threads after the Transfer Window with lots claiming we won't even make top 4. Let alone break into the top 3. There were even counter threads made to that idea which shows you how many we predicting that.

You could say the thread you shown me just shows the knee jerk reaction to making top 4 after a good end of season run.

I don't know how anyone can deny that a large portion of fans(end of the window) thought all we were doing was battling for top four. I'm sure plenty thought top 4 was fairly sure, but very few thought top 2 was on the cards.

 

[EdinburghDevil]

I wouldn't be rushing to give Ole a new contract. Not sure who I would want to replace him if he was to go, but certainly not in a rush to reward another season without a trophy.

I've always thought that Ole has set the wheels in motion for the next manager to be successful. He's done well on the whole at shipping out deadwood from the squad and brought in good players.

I'd give Ole the 1st 10 games of the season to show that further improvements are being made, a proper title challenge looks on cards and the summer recruitment (both incomings and outgoings) has gone well.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Ole is what he is. I’m not expecting anything else from him because there is nothing else. He’s reached the limits of his ability if we’re honest.

Yes by all means give him till the start of next season at least but I don’t trust this club and it’s owners to have done any research on the next top level coach out there. Potter, Marsch have all been far better this season with limited resources. Ole has had superior toys to play with and really been wanting.

He’s stated himself that it hasn’t been a successful season. Does he put that down to himself? He doesn’t really answer that.

If he’s not ruthless in the next few weeks and we are still going into games with the likes of Bailly,Lindelhof, Fred and he’s unable to get the best out of Pogba and Bruno ... then we all know what the answer is.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Feel free to check the threads once the window was closed. The tune changed quickly and we weren't expecting top 4.

Oh yeah, that had nothing to do with us starting the season like relegation candidates

You’ve very quickly changed your tune from “Most people thought we'd struggle for top 4 before the season” though I see, bs indeed.

 

[Yakuza_devils]

Man Utd fans deserve another 3 years of mediocre if Ole contract is renewed. Ole style of play is actually as boring as LVG, Moyes and Jose. But without any trophy.

It's no coincidence that BM, RM & Barca are always more successful than us. Man Utd fans are the easiest to please amongst the big clubs.

Our club is owned by owners who never speak to the fans, run by an investment banker, recently appointed DOF without major experience in Europe, manage by inexperienced manager, rundown facilities and poor/inadequate new signings year after year.

No wonder many see finishing 2nd in a season where Liverpool has injury crisis and Chelsea changing manager mid season as progress.

This is the new standard for Man Utd. We are not aiming to be the best in Europe and England anymore.

Let's give Ole 5 more years since he can get us Top 4 target and forget about style of play. Just be contend, we are an average football club in our entire history. Why demand for the best now?

 

[Doracle]

It was more the start we made that caused that solitary one page of predicting a non top six without United which is laughable and tells you all you need to know about the sincerity of those predictions. Like I said I think those were knee jerkers post Spurs/Palace etc the dates match up with that. I’m quite pessimistic and I have no issues pointing out Ole’s many flaws but even I was certain we’d finish in the top four this season.

I thought we had a fairly awful window and that our squad is probably weaker than City, Chelsea and Liverpool. Even though I thought Ole had done a good job the previous season, I expected us to be in a close battle with Spurs and Leicester for 4th and thought there was a good chance we’d be outside the top 4. As has been said, there were many posts on here expressing similar views. We’ve overperformed this season.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

Man Utd fans deserve another 3 years of mediocre if Ole contract is renewed. Ole style of play is actually as boring as LVG, Moyes and Jose. But without any trophy.

It's no coincidence that BM, RM & Barca are always more successful than us. Man Utd fans are the easiest to please amongst the big clubs.

Our club is owned by owners who never speak to the fans, run by an investment banker, recently appointed DOF without major experience in Europe, manage by inexperienced manager, rundown facilities and poor/inadequate new signings year after year.

No wonder many see finishing 2nd in a season where Liverpool has injury crisis and Chelsea changing manager mid season as progress.

This is the new standard for Man Utd. We are not aiming to be the best in Europe and England anymore.

Let's give Ole 5 more years since he can get us Top 4 target and forget about style of play. Just be contend, we are an average football club in our entire history. Why demand for the best now?

Mate, BM’s hold on the Bundesliga is immoral. They squeeze the life out of other BL clubs and have monopolised the league. It’s easy to be a well run club when the trophy is guaranteed each season.

As for Barca and RM, let’s not get started on their very tarnished histories. Financially they are fecked right now.

 

[Yakuza_devils]

Mate, BM’s hold on the Bundesliga is immoral. They squeeze the life out of other BL clubs and have monopolised the league. It’s easy to be a well run club when the trophy is guaranteed each season.

As for Barca and RM, let’s not get started on their very tarnished histories. Financially they are fecked right now.

OK, mate. BM is immoral. Barca and RM are fecked financially because they have been investing heavily in the squad and would continue to do so with restructure loans and etc.

City is backed by oil state and not their experienced team of football people and philosophy. Chelsea owned by Russia mafia. What else?

Man Utd should aim for mediocre because of the above reasons.

BTW, we are also heavily in debts to serve our owners and his mediocre plan for Man Utd.

 

[bsCallout]

Oh yeah, that had nothing to do with us starting the season like relegation candidates

You’ve very quickly changed your tune from “Most people thought we'd struggle for top 4 before the season” though I see, bs indeed.

Have I?

I've just said most people thought we wouldnt get top 4 at the end of the window. There are threads starting to challenge that narrative; shows how many thought it.

I then said even if I'm wrong and it was the case that most thought wed just make top 4, most definitely didn't expect us to break into the top 2.

So what are you missing?

 

[Ludens the Red]

There are plenty of threads after the Transfer Window with lots claiming we won't even make top 4. Let alone break into the top 3. There were even counter threads made to that idea which shows you how many we predicting that.

You could say the thread you shown me just shows the knee jerk reaction to making top 4 after a good end of season run.

I don't know how anyone can deny that a large portion of fans(end of the window) thought all we were doing was battling for top four. I'm sure plenty thought top 4 was fairly sure, but very few thought top 2 was on the cards.

Dancing round in circles a bit here and a slight move of goalposts. Ultimately most United fans expected top four, a massive lot less expected a 2nd placed finish. And that’s it really. Ultimately if you state “Most people thought we'd struggle for top 4 before the season”, expect a few people to call it out.

I thought we had a fairly awful window and that our squad is probably weaker than City, Chelsea and Liverpool. Even though I thought Ole had done a good job the previous season, I expected us to be in a close battle with Spurs and Leicester for 4th and thought there was a good chance we’d be outside the top 4. As has been said, there were many posts on here expressing similar views. We’ve overperformed this season.

As shown in the actual prediction thread, most expected top four.
Points wise and position wise we’ve improved. Overperformed? Not really. Any other season our points tally would not see us 2nd. Man Utd finishing 2nd with 74 points and no trophies, being eliminated form the CL at the group stage is never going to be considered “over performing” even in an imaginary world where most United fans take a pessimistic view.

 

[The holy trinity 68]

The contract will get extended for 3 years. We will not win anything in those 3 years.
We will struggle next season, the teams around us will improve more than Ole can improve us.
Hes not even a reasonable manager hes mediocre at best.
His legend status is keeping him in the job.
The Glazers are willing for him to fail so it deflects any criticism away from them.
We are what Liverpool were pre-Klopp.
Sad to say but im starting to dislike Ole

A mediocre manager finished 3rd then 2nd in the league, got the team to 3 semi finals and a final, the first manager since SAF to guide the the team to top 4 twice in a row. That is not mediocre at best is it.

 

[bsCallout]

Dancing round in circles a bit here and a slight move of goalposts. Ultimately most United fans expected top four, a massive lot less expected a 2nd placed finish. And that’s it really. Ultimately if you state “Most people thought we'd struggle for top 4 before the season”, expect a few people to call it out.



As shown in the actual prediction thread, most expected top four.
Points wise and position wise we’ve improved. Overperformed? Not really. Any other season our points tally would not see us 2nd. Man Utd finishing 2nd with 74 points and no trophies, being eliminated form the CL at the group stage is never going to be considered “over performing” even in an imaginary world where most United fans take a pessimistic view.

How is it moving the goalposts? My whole point was we exceeded expectations by coming 2nd.

I thought(still think) most didn't expect a top 4 finish after the window. EVEN IF that isnt accurate the overriding point was we exceeded expectations by getting second, so unless you're going to claim that most thought we'd get second then my point still remains and is accurate.

 

[The holy trinity 68]

Man Utd fans deserve another 3 years of mediocre if Ole contract is renewed. Ole style of play is actually as boring as LVG, Moyes and Jose. But without any trophy.

That is the biggest load of rubbish I have ever heard. We have scored miles more goals under Ole than any of the other managers. We have scored 4 or more goals plenty of times which rarely happened under the others combined.

We sure as hell wouldn't have won 9-0 under any if the others if they were managing the club for the next 30 years.

 

[Yakuza_devils]

That is the biggest load of rubbish I have ever heard. We have scored miles more goals under Ole than any of the other managers. We have scored 4 or more goals plenty of times which rarely happened under the others combined.

We sure as hell wouldn't have won 9-0 under any if the others if they were managing the club for the next 30 years.

Essentially, defensive and counter attack tactic. When teams come at us we would score goals. If they sit deep too, then we have no plan B. To me not much different.

I will give it to you that we have score more goals but its still not the style of play for a major club.