Read my comment, it explains why this happens in a nice easy to grasp format.
Do we extend Ole's contract?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Whether you do or you don’t football as a sport has been dull for about 7 years. Terrible entertainment now with the way the game is officiated.
to be clear that’s a criticism of the rules and not always the officials.
people keep waiting for a manager to bring the spark back, but I think the game itself is part of the problem now. We’ve just been so focused on our own demise we haven’t noticed it happen.
to be clear that’s a criticism of the rules and not always the officials.
people keep waiting for a manager to bring the spark back, but I think the game itself is part of the problem now. We’ve just been so focused on our own demise we haven’t noticed it happen.
We blew it by not kicking on after the equaliser and looked totally gassed throughout ET as well
We had 15 minutes there after the equalizer where it was a one way game on goal?
Nevertheless: The players should have won the game. I blame the players for not playing good enough.
Hell no, if he has better options then he can take it. I like Ole and still think he could be the guy, but make him earn it.
I can't imagine any transfer targets care about whether Ole has a long contract or an expiring one. They aren't joining for a manager that isn't proven at the highest level and won nothing at the highest level.
They are coming for the money, fans, stadium club, chance to play in the PL/CL. Where does this whole theory come from? Seems so made up just to defend giving Ole an extension.
I am sure these same fans argued that Phil Jones deserved a contract extension so that United could get a fee for him..
Failing now earns you contract extensions at United.
They are coming for the money, fans, stadium club, chance to play in the PL/CL. Where does this whole theory come from? Seems so made up just to defend giving Ole an extension.
I am sure these same fans argued that Phil Jones deserved a contract extension so that United could get a fee for him..
Failing now earns you contract extensions at United.
How is it a fairly easy league? They haven't won a title for longer than we have. You can't just negate a league title because in your opinion it's an easy league? It's one of the top 4 leagues in Europe, and they won it this year. It is straight up weird to try and downplay that or claim finishing as a runner up is in any way comparable.
Though if you are ok with saying top 4 finish with no trophy is a good season, go ahead. It's fine, but it's the bare minimum and nothing more.
Of course we shouldn’t. We will though.
How we’re run, it wouldn’t surprise me if it’s already signed but they’re too scared of the backlash to announce it yet.
How we’re run, it wouldn’t surprise me if it’s already signed but they’re too scared of the backlash to announce it yet.
Never. Waaaaay too little to deserve an extension, he is lucky to still be in the job as it is.
This club is so fecked for the foreseeable future.
This club likes to suffer, I’ve realised.
We're going in the right direction and whether Ole is here in the next 2-3 years or not, what he has done, and is in the process of doing, is balancing the squad.
Let's be honest, the squad was all over the place when he first arrived, regarding age and ability. He's got rid of a lot of the deadwood, so to speak, and the balance of our squad is much better. By no means are we fully there but if Ole left tomorrow, we'd certainly be in a much better place than we were when Mourinho left, for example.
Personally, I like the direction we're going and because of that, I am happy for Ole to continue. Three semi-finals and one final. Whilst we obviously want to be winning those, to be so consistent in getting to the latter stages is progress.
The next step will now obviously be winning something. Yes, yesterday was a great opportunity but it wasn't meant to be.
If Ole gets can secure his transfer targets for next season, then I have no doubt we'll be bringing home some silverware.
Let's be honest, the squad was all over the place when he first arrived, regarding age and ability. He's got rid of a lot of the deadwood, so to speak, and the balance of our squad is much better. By no means are we fully there but if Ole left tomorrow, we'd certainly be in a much better place than we were when Mourinho left, for example.
Personally, I like the direction we're going and because of that, I am happy for Ole to continue. Three semi-finals and one final. Whilst we obviously want to be winning those, to be so consistent in getting to the latter stages is progress.
The next step will now obviously be winning something. Yes, yesterday was a great opportunity but it wasn't meant to be.
If Ole gets can secure his transfer targets for next season, then I have no doubt we'll be bringing home some silverware.
The guy's steadied the boat, give him credit for that. Can't fault the away record and working with, let's be honest, a very poor squad depth.
However, I have this gut feeling we will slowly sink (pardon the pun) if he stays for 2/3 more years. He just doesnt have the tactical nous that the top managers do to get through these big games.
I do dearly hope he can bring some success, I really do, but something isnt quite there that convinces me. The weird thing for me was hearing him speak before the match and I instantly felt uncomfortable about the outcome. No cajones perhaps?
However, I have this gut feeling we will slowly sink (pardon the pun) if he stays for 2/3 more years. He just doesnt have the tactical nous that the top managers do to get through these big games.
I do dearly hope he can bring some success, I really do, but something isnt quite there that convinces me. The weird thing for me was hearing him speak before the match and I instantly felt uncomfortable about the outcome. No cajones perhaps?
Hope he gets 5 years, just to see the meltdown in here.
He'll do well, and i'm looking forward to many years under him.
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Holding on for dear life is a bit of a stress. We put pressure on but it never felt like they were close to cracking really. It never got desperate for them did it? We had a couple of shots on target.
We certainly look more worried about losing in extra time, that or we were knackered or a combination of both.
But continues to outwit top managers tactically?
Him having more players to choose from just makes me worried he will be even less confident than right now
He does, cant fault his record vs big teams. But how many times of those games were based on pure attacking football, or 10 men behind and utilise the pace for a counter-attack? Its not exactly Klopp's gegenpress or Tika Taka, is it?
If a PE teacher/inexperienced/newbie manager can reach 2 semi finals, one final, 2 consecutive Champions league place finish, I couldn't complain.
If that is his trajectory, he should achieve bigger things.
If that is his trajectory, he should achieve bigger things.
Yeah we win those games because teams give us space and eventually we will all wake up to that fact
The only game where we sat back was against City, which they do to everyone. As the saying goes; however, there's more than one way to skin a cat. Ole has faced Pep 8 times and won 4, so if it's not broke, why fix it?
As for the other games, I'd say they were pretty much even. Take PSG under Tuchel, for example. I personally believe we were better in two games, and possibly would have won two games had Fred not been sent off.
How so?
Because he just strikes me as someone who doesn't cope well when having to make a choice when it really matters
Actually going back to your original reply, its not exactly like he "outwitted" the rest of the original big six, did he?
Our PL record this season:
2 wins, 6 draws, 4 losses.
Granted the biggest of that was City away, but it doesnt scream masterclasses vs the PL best, does it?
We absolutely should give him a new contract. He’s improved us, got us to the Carabou Cup Semi and the Europa League Final. Stability is the United way. He’s definitely done enough to get a new contract.
I agree! Really looking forward to three more years with Ole. It’s the best football we’ve had since Fergie. And with a full backing in the summer we can go further.
Rumors that United are leaning more towards extending him. I think his time is up. I wasn't convinced by him even if he won the Europa league, but United's form away from home was very impressive, but still too many managerial mistakes, it doesn't feel like there's real progression lately, I think he's had his shot.
Based on what? Wouldn't you want him to prove himself before offering him a new contract? It's not as if teams are bending over trying to sign him.
Well done, ignore all the other points. That Inter team wouldn't have a chance in the Prem for a start. It is a poor league. It's a very good win to beat Juve to the title for sure, it's still a poor league. It tells you all you need to know when they take Sanchez, Young, Darmian and Lukaku off us to win it.
Then you make that final statement that is just ridiculous and childishly dismissive. Actually offer up a point.
Our record in big games this season was crap. 2 wins out of 10 games. People who keep talking about our great record in big games must have stopped counting after the end of the last season.
Definitely not.
What's the point of extending? The only reason is if he is likely to go elsewhere. Let's be honest no top level club is going to offer him an opportunity so it's entirely pointless from a business standpoint.
No, he's not good enough. Beat by a side that would be lucky to finish 10th in the premier league. Coaching is shocking, conceeding from setpieces for the 100th time. People say he's learning on the job, he's not. He doesn't deliver when it matters, will never win a league with us. What's the point continuing, the evidence is there and some still refuse to believe it. It's a proper joke he's been offered a contract.
United were always going to extend his contract. I don't have a massive problem with that as I don't see who the feck we could even get at this point. Ole is still learning on the job and it's obviously costing us in some games, but I don't see much of an alternative. Hopefully it all clicks next season and we win something mega.
Who would you get?
It's bonkers. We have PSG, Chelsea, Liverpool and Atletico Madrid (just a quick check, there are load of others) at this point in time with their manager having one year on his contract.
It's not like players aren't aware of the situation and that string of bad results can get you sacked in every club, especially if you are unproven like Ole. Only in United the whole project is always associated with the manager, which is absurd when even players who want to join probably don't look at it that way.
The only thing you don't do is what City has done with Pellegrini and announce his leaving before the season is over. And even then that reflects only on current results and not future transfers.
My original point was that he has outwitted top managers that you said he couldn't do.
it is going to be extended by Woodward. It is arsenal all over again. So long as he gets into CL, the leaches will keep him.
So you don't have a massive problem with that? No doubt you will have massive problem when we continue to win nothing because Ole not got the technical nouse of Pep & Klopp along with there coaching team?