I don’t know why people have it in their head people want Ole sacked to be proven right?
So, you’re only allowed to lose if you win things then?
So, if we win say FA Cup next season, you wouldn't call these games that you've listed earlier as upsets?
I 100% agree that knockout games can go on both ways. But Ole lost every single one so far. In half we were favorites. That is the problem. And i don't know how some of you keep trying to spin that on other way.
Well pirlo finished 3rd in a one club league and that too with a ronaldo in his side. If not for Napoli bottling they would have finished 5th, so yes he should have been sacked.Yes, my bad. You are right there. I hate that argument and i used it.
But i can start now.
Do you think that Chelsea and Juve should have kept Pirlo and Lamps?
That's true. If you filter out all the KO games that we lost, yes he's lost every single one of them, same as every manager in the world.
Both did better in CL than us though. I think Lampard and Ole did similar levels of job overall, but they improved and we did not by a new manager. Had we replaced Ole maybe we would have won something like the league?
And both didn't do better in the league which is the bread and butter. Ifs and buts are always funny. If Ole got Lampard's group in CL and Lampard or Pirlo had our group then we would have progressed and chelsea would have been playing europa. Lampard deserved the sack because he kept chelsea in 9th place. Ole never had us in 9th place since October so no board would have sacked him. Do you think Roman would have sacked Lampard if they were 2nd in January? I don't think so.
Chelsea finished 4th on 66 points, signed players for £230m + Thiago Silva on a free, and were regressing. When pressure started mounting, they unraveled. I realise you'll never agree that we've seen progress under Ole, but we certainly haven't regressed. I think the sacking of Lampard was fair, given the investment and lack of return on it.Yes, my bad. You are right there. I hate that argument and i used it.
But i can start now.
Do you think that Chelsea and Juve should have kept Pirlo and Lamps?
What other reason could someone have for someone wanting to see him "do a Lampard"?I don’t know why people have it in their head people want Ole sacked to be proven right?
If I didn’t care about us being successful I’d be backing Ole.
Whether we are 2nd 5 points behind 1st or 8th we under Ole we still aren’t in a title race as last season proved. Makes no difference to me.
When asking to see some tits.
I said what I said. How I said it who cares. I’m not running for Red Cafe president. Too much people are invested in this manager because of who he was. I mean if it was Dwight Yorke doing the same thing non of this bull excuses would be flying.
Here is the thing. I filtered this; his biggest knockout games so far are:
And what about LC game vs Chelsea, Everton, FA Cup games vs Wolves, Norwich, Pool, WHU?
He's not really that young though. Not when he's getting compared to Lampard.
Indeed.
Considering a FA Cup quarterfinal game to Leicester is a crucial game, then why aren't EL and FA Cup QF from previous season crucial games?
You were confused as to why people thought some wanted Ole to be sacked to be proven right, and I pointed out to you why people think you want Ole sacked to be proven right. It's a direct result of your posting, and it stretches further than this latest example.
We won those, so they weren't crucial.
It is not just the round of competition but also the level of competition that makes it a big game. I'm sure you don't think playing Copenhagen in a europa quarterfinal is the same as an fa cup tie against Liverpool for eg. Ole has not shown enough in important games. He's lost 3 semifinals and a final. This is something that should frankly worry all united fans. After almost three years to choke like he did in the europa final is a huge blot on his record. He's obviously not batting 0%, he has some good wins : Liverpool in the cup, Leicester to get top 4, City away , Milan etc however managers are judged on trophies. Nobody cares for nearly men and if he doesn't win anything again next season all the excuses need to stop.
Precisely. People have started this weird notion that we collapse under pressure games. I'm not going to say that we haven't collapsed ever, but our success rate would be similar to maybe any other team from any other era barring City under Pep.
@pocco trundled in here to point to England being underwhelming under Southgate as proof that we won't improve with better players, the usual suspects jumped in to agree with each other about Ole being shit, and here we are.
England didn't beat Scotland which is of course the fault of Manchester United Norwegian manager.
It's busy because Southgate's England drew against Scotland on Friday. I wish I was joking.
Oh, so stupid I didn’t think of that. Makes sense, thanks.
How is EL QF not crucial? Had we lost that game, would you not call that game crucial?
Ole is LITERALLY
You get the same with the idea that we're bad at seeing games out. Before Bruno? Sure, but we've come a long way on that front since then, but you still see people claim we're bad at it.
Apparently, it is Ole’s fault that England’s not playing well in the Euros.
Yes.
If this is what you take away from it, you should re-visited basic reading training. Pocco said that the notion "just have great players then you will play great and successfull" isn't as straightforward, as some people around here depict it to be. Which could be seen in the england squad containing a few players that many fans would like Manchester United to sign like Kane and Rice.
Semifinals and finals are more important than quarterfinals do you agree? Losing them counts for more than winning quarterfinals. Trophies are important because if Ole had a trophy or two in the bag your case would be much stronger. Funny you count psg CL win but don't include his loss to barca in the next round btw.
Super fine margins at the very top. What if John Terry hadn’t slipped and that’s widely regarded as our best ever lineup with IMO the greatest manager of all time….
No, semis and finals don’t matter at all if you lose the quarter finals.
So you wrote all this just to confirm that it was bumped because England drew against Scotland. Cheers.
By that logic every single game is important . 2nd round, second game week in the league. No difference between home in league cup 3rd round against Rotherham or the final against City.
