Bebestation
Im a doctor btw, my IQ destroys yours
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Hilarious how people expect that Sancho will make Rashford a bench player. Oh dear.
Probably 95% of the squad aren’t physically at their best. It’s a shoulder injury, I’m sure it probably does hamper his ability to hold people off or challenge/ go shoulder to shoulder with them but this is becoming a tired and lame excuse for poor performances which have been more to do with his lack of desire or poor choices on the pitch.https://www.goal.com/en/news/im-not...o-injury-struggles-/2k5usyz3rvra1j1xjrb3dnqr5
Bunch of poor fans questioning his injury problems - acting like he was physically at his best.
Yeah, Ronaldo and Rooney won everything on their own, nothing to do with the great players we had in every position like VDS, Rio, Vida, Evra, Scholes, Giggs, Carrick, even Tevez and then squad players like Nani, Anderson, Park, Brown, Fletcher. Biggest strength of all, GOAT manager.One of the main reasons why United is where it is, not being able to win anything in 4 years is because we have relied so much on limited young players like Rashford and Martial, thinking year after year that they will transform into young Rooney and Ronaldo for us. They might put their heart and soul for United, which they clearly don't, they are limited players with limited ability and can never win us anything on their own unlike Rooney and Ronaldo at their age.
I hope United sign Sancho and deploy him as left forward/winger and put Rashford on the bench and Martial on the plane.
Oh right so now his injury doesn’t mean anything because your a doctor that happens to be a dietician.Probably 95% of the squad aren’t physically at their best. It’s a shoulder injury, I’m sure it probably does hamper his ability to hold people off or challenge/ go shoulder to shoulder with them but this is becoming a tired and lame excuse for poor performances which have been more to do with his lack of desire or poor choices on the pitch.
Exactly utter bullshit. Experienced players like Scholes, RVN, GIggs and so many more were leading the team whilst younger players developed and added inconsistent but useful performances to our team aswell.Yeah, Ronaldo and Rooney won everything on their own, nothing to do with the great players we had in every position like VDS, Rio, Vida, Evra, Scholes, Giggs, Carrick, even Tevez and then squad players like Nani, Anderson, Park, Brown, Fletcher. Biggest strength of all, GOAT manager.
Yeah, I don't understand why people always come up with "with player x we won't win anything" "player x won leagues by himself" when it's a team game.Exactly utter bullshit. Experienced players like Scholes, RVN, GIggs and so many more were leading the team whilst younger players developed and added inconsistent but useful performances to our team aswell.
I think since class of 92 there’s been a kind of insisted inevitability that every young player will become as good and that not sticking with them until they do is somehow un-United. This has led to a conveyor belt of players who are nowhere near that standard that we have to suspend our disbelief to pretend they’re anywhere near the class of 92 standard.One of the main reasons why United is where it is, not being able to win anything in 4 years is because we have relied so much on limited young players like Rashford and Martial, thinking year after year that they will transform into young Rooney and Ronaldo for us. They might put their heart and soul for United, which they clearly don't, they are limited players with limited ability and can never win us anything on their own unlike Rooney and Ronaldo at their age.
I hope United sign Sancho and deploy him as left forward/winger and put Rashford on the bench and Martial on the plane.
Agreed, this whole ‘not injured enough to miss game time, too injured to be judged on his performances’ thing is odd.Probably 95% of the squad aren’t physically at their best. It’s a shoulder injury, I’m sure it probably does hamper his ability to hold people off or challenge/ go shoulder to shoulder with them but this is becoming a tired and lame excuse for poor performances which have been more to do with his lack of desire or poor choices on the pitch.
I think Rashford is a great player to have at the age of 23. Even if he doesn’t get better, he is more valuable than the dross we had like Valencia, Ashley Young and even Nani - yet people didn’t complain by opening threads about cults because success was still arriving their way.
You‘ve become the thing you guys are rallying against so hard. A hysterical knee jerk fan. I think you’ll read back on this thread eventually and cringe/regret some of the things you’ve posted. You also keep posting inflammatory and disrespectful comments and attacks on fan groups in order to keep the thread alive.Oh right so now his injury doesn’t mean anything because your a doctor that happens to be a dietician.
Ultimately he is saying he has an injury - you are acting like he doesn’t and everyone else does I mean it’s painfully obvious why a player with a shoulder injury can play extra games because it doesn’t necessarily effect his ability to kick a ball - but it will effect a players speed and physical ability.
If you don’t believe in that as a problem to his performances then it’s clear you just don’t rate Rashford.
ENJOY Rashford mate - he is not going anywhere, poor decision making but will still score important goals for United. During that time I have a wonderful thread with wonderful ‘fans’ to target and laugh at every time he scores a goal.
I think Rashford is a great player to have at the age of 23. Even if he doesn’t get better, he is more valuable than the dross we had like Valencia, Ashley Young and even Nani - yet people didn’t complain by opening threads about cults because success was still arriving their way.
Success stops and then these inconsistent and weak fans starts targeting players that are hardly an issue.
Yeah it is weird. Like I’ve read through this thread and where I don’t agree with everything you’ve written some of it I do. Some of your points maybe just taken the wrong way or not understood. Like the 300 game experience is it. I get the point but I do think age is a factor in that. Maybe he’s played close to 300 games but I find myself now that I’m older I’m much more open to others peoples thoughts and ideas of how I should do something than I was at 22-23.Agreed, this whole ‘not injured enough to miss game time, too injured to be judged on his performances’ thing is odd.
Rooney and Ronaldo did not win us everything on their own. We had Rio, Vidic, Scholes, VDS, a team of great leaders with experience. We also had one of the best managers of all time. The issue of where we are is not because of Martial and Rashford, its because we have a average team in general with a big lack of leadership.One of the main reasons why United is where it is, not being able to win anything in 4 years is because we have relied so much on limited young players like Rashford and Martial, thinking year after year that they will transform into young Rooney and Ronaldo for us. They might put their heart and soul for United, which they clearly don't, they are limited players with limited ability and can never win us anything on their own unlike Rooney and Ronaldo at their age.
I hope United sign Sancho and deploy him as left forward/winger and put Rashford on the bench and Martial on the plane.
Having a good backbone is always important but it would be a bit naive to believe that we would have the same success if we had Rashford and Martial instead of Ronaldo and Rooney back then with the same backbone. There's no doubt that if you go the other way and had that Ronaldo and Rooney in this team instead of Martial and Rashford, we would have won the premier league at least once in the last few years. Prime Man Utd Ronaldo alone was better than Rashford and Martial combined.Yeah, Ronaldo and Rooney won everything on their own, nothing to do with the great players we had in every position like VDS, Rio, Vida, Evra, Scholes, Giggs, Carrick, even Tevez and then squad players like Nani, Anderson, Park, Brown, Fletcher. Biggest strength of all, GOAT manager.
Honestly if you are expecting Sancho to be a lot better than Rashford and similar to Rooney/Ronaldo, you are in for a disappointment.One of the main reasons why United is where it is, not being able to win anything in 4 years is because we have relied so much on limited young players like Rashford and Martial, thinking year after year that they will transform into young Rooney and Ronaldo for us. They might put their heart and soul for United, which they clearly don't, they are limited players with limited ability and can never win us anything on their own unlike Rooney and Ronaldo at their age.
I hope United sign Sancho and deploy him as left forward/winger and put Rashford on the bench and Martial on the plane.
Not without SAF.Having a good backbone is always important but it would be a bit naive to believe that we would have the same success if we had Rashford and Martial instead of Ronaldo and Rooney back then with the same backbone. There's no doubt that if you go the other way and had that Ronaldo and Rooney in this team instead of Martial and Rashford, we would have won the premier league at least once in the last few years. Prime Man Utd Ronaldo alone was better than Rashford and Martial combined.
I didn't realize shoulder injuries affect the brain.https://www.goal.com/en/news/im-not...o-injury-struggles-/2k5usyz3rvra1j1xjrb3dnqr5
Bunch of poor fans questioning his injury problems - acting like he was physically at his best.
Wow you are delusional. We would not have won the PL or even close.Having a good backbone is always important but it would be a bit naive to believe that we would have the same success if we had Rashford and Martial instead of Ronaldo and Rooney back then with the same backbone. There's no doubt that if you go the other way and had that Ronaldo and Rooney in this team instead of Martial and Rashford, we would have won the premier league at least once in the last few years. Prime Man Utd Ronaldo alone was better than Rashford and Martial combined.
Right, this season alone we were in the first place most of the January month and dropped because after that we lost to the mighty Sheffield (20th) and then he draw against the likes of West Brom (19th), Leeds (9th), Crystal Palace (14th), Fulham (18th). In the second part of the season that's 11 points lost against teams that on paper are way worse than us (7 points lost to the bottom 3).Wow you are delusional. We would not have won the PL or even close.
It’s hard as there’s no definitive measurement of a player’s maturity. Some mature early, some mature late. I think it can depend on how much football someone’s been exposed to.Yeah it is weird. Like I’ve read through this thread and where I don’t agree with everything you’ve written some of it I do. Some of your points maybe just taken the wrong way or not understood. Like the 300 game experience is it. I get the point but I do think age is a factor in that. Maybe he’s played close to 300 games but I find myself now that I’m older I’m much more open to others peoples thoughts and ideas of how I should do something than I was at 22-23.
I think he’ll be better than a squad player and I can’t see him leaving to drop to a level where he’s not expected to challenge. Let’s be honest he has all the tools to be a very successful player. He just maybe isn’t using them in the correct manner currently. He might mature later then all of a sudden kick in to hyper gear. Ronaldo for example was a bit all over the shop but after the Euros with the Rooney incident he came back and went to an entirely different level.It’s hard as there’s no definitive measurement of a player’s maturity. Some mature early, some mature late. I think it can depend on how much football someone’s been exposed to.
Not a hard and fast rule but a 20 year old whose played 100 games would probably be considered a more experienced player than a 23 year old whose player 30 but there are so many variables.
With Rashford I honestly don’t think he’s a better, more effective, player now than he was 100 games ago. Many of the flaws in his game are those most young players have to overcome but despite his game time he doesn’t seem to be overcoming them. Specifically his decision making. It doesn’t make him a bad player if he never does but it might mean he’s not good enough to be regular starter for team with ambitions to challenge for honours for long term
I would not be shocked if he becomes a useful rotation option for us or maybe get more game time dropping down a level to side who usually aren’t expected to challenge for CL places
Not expecting prime Rooney or Ronaldo for sure. If we are payin gnear £80m I certainly expect better than Rashford has been thoughHonestly if you are expecting Sancho to be a lot better than Rashford and similar to Rooney/Ronaldo, you are in for a disappointment.
On last seasons form? He will.Hilarious how people expect that Sancho will make Rashford a bench player. Oh dear.
They don't score those amount of goals with this team. Teams win things, you cannot say 1/2 players just come into a team and they just add their value, their value comes from a functional team around them.Right, this season alone we were in the first place most of the January month and dropped because after that we lost to the mighty Sheffield (20th) and then he draw against the likes of West Brom (19th), Leeds (9th), Crystal Palace (14th), Fulham (18th). In the second part of the season that's 11 points lost against teams that on paper are way worse than us (7 points lost to the bottom 3).
In those games both Rashford and Martial combined scored 0 goals (3 of those games were 0-0 draws).
I'm delusional for thinking that having the prime Man Utd. Ronaldo and Rooney version over Rashford and Martial would be enough to win the premier league this season? The same guy that at some point scored 42 goals and had 8 assists while the other scored 34 goals and had 7 assists. I'm not even bothering to use peak Ronaldo as an example because he scored in a season almost as many goals as we as club scored all season in the premier (61 vs 73) and he didn't play for us.
Of course, things aren't as linear and it's unfair to compare both their peaks here with Rashford and Martial season but the hypothetical scenario was if we could change both in their peak years for us for Rashford and Martial, would we win the league at least once in the last few years. And for me, it wouldn't be a delusional assumption that we would by using this season as an example.
A 36y old Ronaldo still scored around 40 goals with a far worse Juventus side this season so I don't think it would be farfetched to believe that a younger and better version of this Ronaldo couldn't have a similar output this season.They don't score those amount of goals with this team. Teams win things, you cannot say 1/2 players just come into a team and they just add their value, their value comes from a functional team around them.
Nobody said that. You and others are always acting like this is personal. Winning titles is our business at the end of the day. If your main undroppable forward is low energy and predictable that sets a poor tone for the rest of the team. It also leaves us predictable and open to be sucker punched on the counter while we push forward struggling to score or create. Why can’t people separate the two things?City have had Sterling, Sane, Mahrez, Ferran Torres, Bernardo silva, Foden capable of playing out wide whilst players such as Gabriel Jesus and Aguero playing centrally.
All those players and yet people are wondering about Rashford’s imperfections like he is a useless player not worth “to be in a title winning United squad”.
Given Rashford's output and his age, I don't see his market value below 80m either.Not expecting prime Rooney or Ronaldo for sure. If we are payin gnear £80m I certainly expect better than Rashford has been though
You’ve been a good poster in here. A voice of reason amongst the and screaming about fecking Tories! I’d say that poster is one of only a few English posters in here for gods sake and very few again care about English politics. We all want kids to be happy and well fed and it’s absolutely disingenuous to suggest otherwise. Hopefully Rashford gets fit and bosses it with more aggression and consistency next season. I’m genuinely perplexed with Oles role in all this the season just gone. Just madness to overuse an unfit and out of form player to that extent.You‘ve become the thing you guys are rallying against so hard. A hysterical knee jerk fan. I think you’ll read back on this thread eventually and cringe/regret some of the things you’ve posted. You also keep posting inflammatory and disrespectful comments and attacks on fan groups in order to keep the thread alive.
Now I’m not acting like he doesn’t have an injury, if you read Ive clearly acknowledged it and pointed out what people criticise him for is his lack of decision making. Last I checked the brain is in the head.
Then you start putting words in people mouths. Honestly I felt Cult was pure hyperbole but seeing how rabid people are in this thread I’m starting to believe their is actually a certain minority that do only care about Rashford and not the team and are exhibiting Cult like behaviour.
To be honest I’m surprised you aren’t getting warnings from the mods for a lot of your posts, inflamitory and insulting but the mods probably pulled out of this thread ages ago.
Anyway I think you’ll find I've said many a time I think Rashford can be a great player, he just needs to improve aspects of his game. Something that when it has been mentioned in the performance thread was met with stern resistance and attacks. It wasn’t like I’d said he was absolute tosh. Just that he could do better or certain things better.
Now why Rashford is discussed is because this is a football forum. People discuss performances and what they feel like certain players need to do better or do their attributes mesh with the team. People have differing opinions on how football should be played to be successful and who is needed or wanted to do that. Some maybe don’t think Rashford has the capability to do that or we don’t have the coaches to get it out of him. All fair questions
Now let’s put the cult thing aside because the thread has moved on from that. There were plenty of threads created about Valencia, Nani and many more not being good enough. They still had people defending or criticising them to extreme lengths. Every player has had the same thing even when we were winning. So I don’t agree with the it’s because we aren’t winning. Most people it’s probably because they aren’t seeing the development or signs that the player is willing to adapt and improve to what they think will improve the team.
(Also the Irony of slagging off some of our other players whilst playing the moral high ground card to defend another )
I agree I’m glad we have Rashford, I’m not sure I enjoy his performances but then I can say that for pretty much the whole team, as none of them are really performing at a good consistent level or working well as a team. I think the difference is some see and acknowledge there is room for improvement and saying so isn’t targeting Rashford. Just stating what people believe to be objective opinions.
Success between 06 and 09 was majorly due to Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez/Saha. Remove Rooney and Ronaldo... we probably would have won 1 league title. SAF hit the jackpot with Ronaldo and Rooney. Not taking anything away from SAF's foresight in trusting two of the best young players of their generation.Not without SAF.
Re bold part, would love to see anyone or any post that implied that.
I don't think that's unpopular opinion at all. If we sign a player who can bench Rashford then that means we have great player in the 11, which also improves the squad.Unpopular opinion: In a side that is aiming to win titles, Rashford is a rotation player. Great player when he is in the zone but lacks the consistency to be an undisputed first-team player