Has the cult of Rashford become more important than the player?

[roonster09]

Success between 06 and 09 was majorly due to Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez/Saha. Remove Rooney and Ronaldo... we probably would have won 1 league title. SAF hit the jackpot with Ronaldo and Rooney. Not taking anything away from SAF's foresight in trusting two of the best young players of their generation.
Our current team is not bad at all. It has arguably a better midfield than United had in 06-09. Defense is reasonable with Maguire and Lindelof. It is the attack which is not balanced and unreliable. Put Sancho and Mbappe there instead of Rashford, Martial etc and do not change a single player in this team... we will start winning I can guarentee that.

Put Mbappe Instead of Rashford, we will be relegated, I can guarantee that or put washed up Modric instead of Bruno, we will win CL every year.i can guarantee that one too.

I mean it's easy to come up with statements like that when there is no way anyone knows as we won't sign Mbappe.

We also had Ronaldo and Rooney from 2003 and 2004. It was only after we added players like Vidic, Evra, VDS, Carrick we started to win trophies. Ofcourse by far Ronaldo was out best player but that doesn't mean we didn't we won only because of him or Rooney. We had great team and GOAT manager.

Our defence is nowhere near our old defense, midfield it's close but still 2006-09 was better

 

[roonster09]

Nobody said that. You and others are always acting like this is personal. Winning titles is our business at the end of the day. If your main undroppable forward is low energy and predictable that sets a poor tone for the rest of the team. It also leaves us predictable and open to be sucker punched on the counter while we push forward struggling to score or create. Why can’t people separate the two things?

Me and @stw2022 (as far as I can see, correct me if I’m wrong) two of the most outspoken people in this thread have only been talking about winning football matches, squad status and a player the manager seemingly had a massive mental block about dropping no matter of the evidence presented week after week. Don’t you think the fact he now can’t even get into the England team from being an absolute nailed on starter says a lot more about where he actually is form wise vs his peers than @roonster09 going and blindly posting stats? If it’s not good enough for England it shouldn’t have been good enough for United either. I care about United winning more than the stats of Rashford or any other particular player. I genuinely couldn’t give a shit if Rashford doesn’t score or assist for 6 months if he was genuinely working his ass off and driving the team forward. The numbers will always come if the work is there. In a top team walking around and picking up sporadic numbers isn’t ever going to be good enough to win anything. Why can’t you guys get that? It’s not and never was personal or about numbers.

One more lie. Wow must be a record.

 

[OmarUnited4ever]

Unpopular opinion: In a side that is aiming to win titles, Rashford is a rotation player. Great player when he is in the zone but lacks the consistency to be an undisputed first-team player

Nope, there are players like Sterling or Fermino who aren't that much better than Rashford and they were integral to title winning sides, hell there is even a Marc Albrighton who isn't even near as good Rashford and was still an integral part of a PL winning team, it's not the individual players that wins titles, it's the total sum of a collection of players plus a great manager that wins titles, if we win the title anytime soon, Rashford might be an integral of the winning team or might be just a squad option, we don't know that but what we know is that he is actually good enough to be key player in a winning team, that much is true at least

 

[roonster09]

@Ali Dia

I don’t get it - you are happy to have him in the squad so what is there to complain about?

People act like we had Sancho last year and he was never being picked because Rashford was some sort of favorite.

Last season Martial was at his worse of all seasons and to top that off he was injured for most of the season aswell. Rashford has to start over him and did start over him.

Daniel James won’t come up with the numbers Rashford did and arguably has the same weaknesses as him but possibly even worse - like his decision making or even dribbling in to people.

So Rashford got picked most of last season whilst his competition was much much worse. Yet people act like there is some sort of Cult for him? I just don’t get that.

The only competition Rashford had last season was Pogba who was good and creative on the left to the point that Rashford was playing on the right.

How is there a cult

You and all of your friends seems to value him as a squad player - then blame him or whoever for not being a squad player. How is that Rashford’s faults.

Hell, we are buying Sancho & if he manages to drop the current version of Rashford then we will simply be better than the team that utelised Rashford and managed to get 36 goals or something from him in a year or season. If Sancho ends up doing better than Greenwood after competition then we will be better off than when we only had to rely on Greenwood who scored like 7 goals last season.

Yet why doesn’t Greenwood have a cult? Because he is deemed a useful player already for our squad and should be given direct competition for his position Plus he should improve. I see absolutely no difference in Rashford- no cult, good enough for our squad and should be given direct competition and has the age and time to improve.

Yet for some reason some believe he has a damn cult when all his competition were worse than him or out injured, to top it all off the club (and not fans) are buying a player that may well compete with him at LW and RW - how is there a bloody cult I just don’t see it.

A player far from perfect but has numbers that are absolutely jaw dropping especially when you find out who he beats. Absolutely nothing really to complain about - unless complaining is something that some people have to do when criticizing a player whilst hardly looking at the positives.

The guy blamed Rashford when other players were not in top 5 for goals + assists since 2019-2020 season, completely ignoring that Greenwood wasn't even a regular starter, Cavani played just few months, Martial went AWOL for a season. No, but it's all Rashford fault that they didn't make more goal contributions than Kane, Salah, Son and others. But somehow it's Rashford fault for ranking 6th in goal contributions and other ManUtd players didn't.

Somehow think they are innocent who just posted "Rashford isn't elite player" and got attacked for saying that when him and that stw guy posted some nonsense in this thread. Lied about the goals he scored and that stw guy blatantly lied about assists and then moved goal posts, when pointed that out he didn't respond. After few hours came up with different thing to criticize player. Playing victim card and acting as if all they posted was squad status and winning games, what a liars

 

[Posh Red]

Yeah it is weird. Like I’ve read through this thread and where I don’t agree with everything you’ve written some of it I do. Some of your points maybe just taken the wrong way or not understood. Like the 300 game experience is it. I get the point but I do think age is a factor in that. Maybe he’s played close to 300 games but I find myself now that I’m older I’m much more open to others peoples thoughts and ideas of how I should do something than I was at 22-23.

Regarding his injuries, the way I see it is that although the injuries have definitely held him back this season (in my opinion of course), he was still our best option there throughout the season; both of these things can be true. It isn’t Rashfords fault that the squad lacked quality in depth. Perhaps being a youth product is also a negative in this situation, because his passion clouds his judgement on whether he should be playing or taking a break.

Now IF we agree that he has been carrying some injuries that have hampered him, then to put up the numbers he has this season is really impressive. At the same time, I absolutely agree that Rashford needs to refine his game. This should be seen as a positive, as it could mean he reaches a whole new level in the future, where he can be up there with the very best in the league.

I also noticed someone else mention earlier that injuries could potentially impact a players decision making. Personally I couldn’t comment on this, as I’m not a pro athlete. What I would argue is that his poor decision making has been a problem for at least a couple of seasons now. Maybe it’s something the coaches have to work on with him more.

 

[yamo123x]

Rashford got too much of a chip on his shoulder for me, especially in the last year or so. We have had to put up with his arrogant demeanour and passionless selfish displays for the 2nd half of thIS season after a decent start and frankly everytime i watched him i was fuming and i was not on my own.

Injured or not, his body language stunk the place out and i was baffled to hear his passionate interview after the Europa final loss, yet his efforts on the pitch that night and for many weeks prior left a lot to be desired.

Im not gonna blame his commendable exploits off the pitch but the boy is paid to play football, he should focus on his game..for me Ole put an arm round the shoulder of him too much last year, he should have been benched.

I still believe in him, but he has to lose this arrogant swagger and remember he is not untouchable and focus of giving his all like he did when he first burst onto the scene.

 

[jesperjaap]

Given Rashford's output and his age, I don't see his market value below 80m either.

This is true especially within the premiership anyway. I just think the cult of Rashford as the thread is named is quite apt. Local lad, great attitude, talented, some great performances, media darling etc etc....but is he actually really a very good footballer? I like him, dont get me wrong, but isnt close to being the star player he is portrayed as to me....thought that when he broke through and still think that now even with him playing on his best position, there are many better for me

 

[Ali Dia]

Success between 06 and 09 was majorly due to Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez/Saha. Remove Rooney and Ronaldo... we probably would have won 1 league title. SAF hit the jackpot with Ronaldo and Rooney. Not taking anything away from SAF's foresight in trusting two of the best young players of their generation.
Our current team is not bad at all. It has arguably a better midfield than United had in 06-09. Defense is reasonable with Maguire and Lindelof. It is the attack which is not balanced and unreliable. Put Sancho and Mbappe there instead of Rashford, Martial etc and do not change a single player in this team... we will start winning I can guarentee that.

Honestly I think Sancho and Varane and we are right there again. It’s up to Ole though!

@Ali Dia

I don’t get it - you are happy to have him in the squad so what is there to complain about?

People act like we had Sancho last year and he was never being picked because Rashford was some sort of favorite.

Last season Martial was at his worse of all seasons and to top that off he was injured for most of the season aswell. Rashford has to start over him and did start over him.

Daniel James won’t come up with the numbers Rashford did and arguably has the same weaknesses as him but possibly even worse - like his decision making or even dribbling in to people.

So Rashford got picked most of last season whilst his competition was much much worse. Yet people act like there is some sort of Cult for him? I just don’t get that.

The only competition Rashford had last season was Pogba who was good and creative on the left to the point that Rashford was playing on the right.

How is there a cult

You and all of your friends seems to value him as a squad player - then blame him or whoever for not being a squad player. How is that Rashford’s faults.

Hell, we are buying Sancho & if he manages to drop the current version of Rashford then we will simply be better than the team that utelised Rashford and managed to get 36 goals or something from him in a year or season. If Sancho ends up doing better than Greenwood after competition then we will be better off than when we only had to rely on Greenwood who scored like 7 goals last season.

Yet why doesn’t Greenwood have a cult? Because he is deemed a useful player already for our squad and should be given direct competition for his position Plus he should improve. I see absolutely no difference in Rashford- no cult, good enough for our squad and should be given direct competition and has the age and time to improve.

Yet for some reason some believe he has a damn cult when all his competition were worse than him or out injured, to top it all off the club (and not fans) are buying a player that may well compete with him at LW and RW - how is there a bloody cult I just don’t see it.

A player far from perfect but has numbers that are absolutely jaw dropping especially when you find out who he beats. Absolutely nothing really to complain about - unless complaining is something that some people have to do when criticizing a player whilst hardly looking at the positives.

I’m fairly sure that Rashford was one of the lowest pressing and work rate forward players in European top leagues last season. Cavani for example made an absolute mockery of his work rate. For a player who didn’t look right he simply shouldn’t have been starting every game. That’s where all this divide stems from. He was undroppable and it was awful to watch as a fan knowing what you were going to see. Over and over and nothing done about it and its culminating in that performance in the final and being dropped for the Euros.

you’re right it’s probably more on the manager and his stats were actually pretty good taking his knocks into consideration. The problem is when you’re saying someone is playing awfully and getting stats thrown at you by fans saying shut up, you’re lying, he’s one of the best PL players out there - at this point on current form that becomes a falsehood and it’s fair game to call it out.

He’s starting every game, for some reason, for one of the richest most stacked teams in the world. He’s one of the highest paid players in the league. His numbers should be good by default. Workrate should also be a given. If he’s not fit then don’t play him. It’s his regular actual 90 minute performances and lack of workrate that were hurting us on the regular. That’s on the manager at the end of the day so full blame to Ole for being blinkered and overusing him. At least Southgate and most reasonable fans in the middle can see it for what it is at this point.

 

[Bebestation]

Honestly I think Sancho and Varane and we are right there again. It’s up to Ole thoug




I’m fairly sure that Rashford was one of the lowest pressing and work rate forward players in European top leagues last season. Cavani for example made an absolute mockery of his work rate. For a player who didn’t look right he simply shouldn’t have been starting every game. That’s where all this divide stems from. He was undroppable and it was awful to watch as a fan knowing what you were going to see. Over and over and nothing done about it and its culminating in that performance in the final and being dropped for the Euros.

you’re right it’s probably more on the manager and his stats were actually pretty good taking his knocks into consideration. The problem is when you’re saying someone is playing awfully and getting stats thrown at you by fans saying shut up, you’re lying, he’s one of the best PL players out there - at this point on current form that becomes a falsehood and it’s fair game to call it out.

He’s starting every game, for some reason, for one of the richest most stacked teams in the world. He’s one of the highest paid players in the league. His numbers should be good by default. Workrate should also be a given. If he’s not fit then don’t play him. It’s his regular actual 90 minute performances and lack of workrate that were hurting us on the regular. That’s on the manager at the end of the day so full blame to Ole for being blinkered and overusing him. At least Southgate and most reasonable fans in the middle can see it for what it is at this point.

Did you find Rashford’s work rate low every season he has played or was it just this season?

How do you find Greenwood’s work rate and ability to help Wan Bissaka?

 

[Gonçalo Motta]

Nope, there are players like Sterling or Fermino who aren't that much better than Rashford and they were integral to title winning sides, hell there is even a Marc Albrighton who isn't even near as good Rashford and was still an integral part of a PL winning team, it's not the individual players that wins titles, it's the total sum of a collection of players plus a great manager that wins titles, if we win the title anytime soon, Rashford might be an integral of the winning team or might be just a squad option, we don't know that but what we know is that he is actually good enough to be key player in a winning team, that much is true at least

Yes and no. Sterling is a bad example because the Man City squad is stacked af so they can easily compensate Sterling's bad patches without that impacting the overall performance of the team.
I actually think Firmino is a bit overrated but he linked well with Salah and Mané and both were reliable goal scorers in their winning season.

We neither are stacked nor we have anyone that links that well with Rashford to provide the goals. We actually expect that Rashford becomes that reliable goalscorer

 

[El Jefe]

Wasn't it a couple of weeks back he said he'd make no excuses and that a few of the squad members also had injuries and niggles they were playing with. Why is it that excuses continue to be made for him and we haven't heard a word from any of the other players.

Perhaps Greenwood was one of them? All his performances in the run in looked fine to me and when he didn't perform well nobody brought up niggles. In any case he's done the sensible thing and is taking the summer off to recover from his injury, while Rashford MBE continues to deliver mediocre performances with an injured shoulder.

The OP seemed a bit OTT at the time but there are a few posters in this thread that seem to be giving it validity with their defence of Rashford.

 

[roonster09]

How dare anyone can defend Rashford against the lies like he scored 1 goal since Jan or how he isn't productive or nonsense like he hasn't improved in last 2-3 years. That means it's a cult. Everyone should follow these posts like a sheep.

Btw good or bad, honest or liars, even clowns deserves to smile and laugh. Enjoy the day.

 

[Ali Dia]

Did you find Rashford’s work rate low every season he has played or was it just this season?

How do you find Greenwood’s work rate and ability to help Wan Bissaka?

Greenwood played about half the minutes of Rashford and he’s what 5 years younger? I think it’s unfair to expect the same things of both players. It’s up to the likes of Rashford to show how much work and fight is needed to succeed here and I don’t think he did that often enough on the pitch. I’m sure there was a lot of respect for Marcus behind the scenes for playing through injuries this season but you could also see teammates frustrations with him boiling over at points. He looked to me like a fella who knew he wouldn’t get dropped whatever he did and it had a knock on effect with his performances deteriorating to the point where he can’t even get into the England team anymore. That would have been unthinkable 12 months ago. Thank feck for Cavani because we’d probably be in the EL otherwise.

Martial should be sold and the money reinvested. I’ve no loyalty to any particular player. I just want us to win. If we can do it with academy kids all the better.

 

[Bebestation]

Wasn't it a couple of weeks back he said he'd make no excuses and that a few of the squad members also had injuries and niggles they were playing with. Why is it that excuses continue to be made for him and we haven't heard a word from any of the other players.

Perhaps Greenwood was one of them? All his performances in the run in looked fine to me and when he didn't perform well nobody brought up niggles. In any case he's done the sensible thing and is taking the summer off to recover from his injury, while Rashford MBE continues to deliver mediocre performances with an injured shoulder.

The OP seemed a bit OTT at the time but there are a few posters in this thread that seem to be giving it validity with their defence of Rashford.

Because Greenwood didn’t have an injury where he had to stop playing, drop out of the squad, come back earlier than he should have to join the squad without undertaking the required surgical treatments.

 

[Jibbs]

Put Mbappe Instead of Rashford, we will be relegated, I can guarantee that or put washed up Modric instead of Bruno, we will win CL every year.i can guarantee that one too.

I mean it's easy to come up with statements like that when there is no way anyone knows as we won't sign Mbappe.

We also had Ronaldo and Rooney from 2003 and 2004. It was only after we added players like Vidic, Evra, VDS, Carrick we started to win trophies. Ofcourse by far Ronaldo was out best player but that doesn't mean we didn't we won only because of him or Rooney. We had great team and GOAT manager.

Our defence is nowhere near our old defense, midfield it's close but still 2006-09 was better

We have Martial and Rashford since 2015. This is 6 years already. By this time Ronaldo was flying to Madrid after winning three league titles, one champions league and a ballon d'or.

 

[Bebestation]

Greenwood played about half the minutes of Rashford and he’s what 5 years younger? I think it’s unfair to expect the same things if both players. It’s up to the likes of Rashford to show how much work and fight is needed to succeed here and I don’t think he did that often enough on the pitch. I’m sure there was a lot of respect for Marcus behind the scenes for playing through injuries this season but you could also see teammates frustrations with him boiling over at points. He looked to me like a fella who knew he wouldn’t get dropped whatever he did and it had a knock on effect with his performances deteriorating to the point where he can’t even get into the England team anymore. That would have been unthinkable 12 months ago. Thank feck for Cavani because we’d probably be in the EL otherwise.

Martial should be sold and the money reinvested. I’ve no loyalty to any particular player. I just want us to win. If we can do it with academy kids all the better.

So did you find Rashford’s work rate the season before this bad? Or the season he was playing on the LW for Mourinho bad? The Ole temporary stage when Rashford helped us get past PSG etc - was his work rate bad in your mind then? Van Gaals period?

 

[OmarUnited4ever]

Yes and no. Sterling is a bad example because the Man City squad is stacked af so they can easily compensate Sterling's bad patches without that impacting the overall performance of the team.
I actually think Firmino is a bit overrated but he linked well with Salah and Mané and both were reliable goal scorers in their winning season.

We neither are stacked nor we have anyone that links that well with Rashford to provide the goals. We actually expect that Rashford becomes that reliable goalscorer

Regarding the bolded part, they also had Allison and VVD, which solidified their defence and a trio of Fabinho, Henderson and Wijanldum, that worked extremely well with the front 3, so the whole team was very functional and solid which gave Salah and Mane the platform to perform and score goals. Hence why I said a total sum of players wins the title, this also applies to Sterling, Aguero and KdB and Silva were also performing extremely well alongside players like Fernandinho, with Kompany, one of the best CBs in PL leading their defence.


Our squad still needs few additions to strengthen it a bit more, as it is now, it's unfair to expect Rashford to help us win the league on his own goals and performances.

But let's say we sign Sancho & Varane, and maybe new DM/CDM is brought in who is better than the McFred duo, then that means we possibly have a squad capable of challenging for PL, in that case, we can fairly expect from Rashford to perform and be a key player for the team, otherwise he would be benched..

To finish off, what I am getting at, is that Rashfor is at least good enough to be a key part of PL winning team, his quality and potential point to that, whether he will be one or not, remains to be seen.

 

[Ali Dia]

How dare anyone can defend Rashford against the lies like he scored 1 goal since Jan or how he isn't productive or nonsense like he hasn't improved in last 2-3 years. That means it's a cult. Everyone should follow these posts like a sheep.

Btw good or bad, honest or liars, even clowns deserves to smile and laugh. Enjoy the day.

Yeah. You can spit some stats and still be totally wrong and overly aggressive. you’ve made an much of an arse out of yourself as anyone else in this thread, even big ron. But keep going with your pious holier than thou fandom and calling people liars. It’s so cool. You totally drove this thread and split the fans. Rashfords form this year and England dropping him and him admitting he’s been poor is just your chickens coming home to roonst it’s more than good enough for United though, it’s everyone else’s fault. Yeah riiiiight.

Poirot of the scouting world? Thank feck you’re not actually a scout! Whoever gave you that tag line was miles off, you probably gave it yourself though so that’s pretty cool

 

[Frank White]

Wasn't it a couple of weeks back he said he'd make no excuses and that a few of the squad members also had injuries and niggles they were playing with. Why is it that excuses continue to be made for him and we haven't heard a word from any of the other players.

Perhaps Greenwood was one of them? All his performances in the run in looked fine to me and when he didn't perform well nobody brought up niggles. In any case he's done the sensible thing and is taking the summer off to recover from his injury, while Rashford MBE continues to deliver mediocre performances with an injured shoulder.

The OP seemed a bit OTT at the time but there are a few posters in this thread that seem to be giving it validity with their defence of Rashford.

Not being funny but Greenwood didn’t have a prayer of getting into the England team. I’m sure if it was made clear that he would have played role for us in the Euros Mason would 100% be with the national side.

 

[Ali Dia]

So did you find Rashford’s work rate the season before this bad? Or the season he was playing on the LW for Mourinho bad? The Ole temporary stage when Rashford helped us get past PSG etc - was his work rate bad in your mind then? Van Gaals period?

No I thought he was great up until he got injured last year. If he’d kept going he would actually be one of the best PL players. Since he’s come back he’s been really laboured and ultra selfish on the ball.

 

[Frank White]

Yeah. You can spit some stats and still be totally wrong and overly aggressive. you’ve made an much of an arse out of yourself as anyone else in this thread, even big ron. But keep going with your pious holier than thou fandom and calling people liars. It’s so cool. You totally drove this thread and split the fans. Rashfords form this year and England dropping him and him admitting he’s been poor is just your chickens coming home to roonst it’s more than good enough for United though. Yeah riiiiight.

Poirot of the scouting world? Thank feck you’re not actually a scout! Whoever gave you that tag line was miles off, you probably gave it yourself though so it’s cool

England and United totally different though, for us at national level we have an embarrassment of talented wingers who can play LW at United not so much. I mean the bloke we’re trying to sign for 80 odd mil can’t get a sniff either, guess we should be calling that deal off too?

 

[Ali Dia]

England and United totally different though, for us at national level we have an embarrassment of talented wingers who can play LW at United not so much. I mean the bloke we’re trying to sign for 80 odd mil can’t get a sniff either, guess we should be calling that deal off too?

Not at all. I can’t wait for Sancho. I’m certain he’s a better player than Rashford, currently. I honestly think Dan James or Pogba would have been a better option than Rashford in most of those 0-0s and in the final. Anyone who would actually occupy defenders instead of standing off and walking around when he wasn’t preparing to get the ball and lose it would have been an improvement. It’s fair to say 2021 has been a year to forget for Marcus. He’ll come back better. It’s always been fair to say we needed better from him and from the other forwards but playing with Rashford was like playing with ten men at times this season.

 

[roonster09]

Yeah. You can spit some stats and still be totally wrong and overly aggressive. you’ve made an much of an arse out of yourself as anyone else in this thread, even big ron. But keep going with your pious holier than thou fandom and calling people liars. It’s so cool. You totally drove this thread and split the fans. Rashfords form this year and England dropping him and him admitting he’s been poor is just your chickens coming home to roonst it’s more than good enough for United though, it’s everyone else’s fault. Yeah riiiiight.

Poirot of the scouting world? Thank feck you’re not actually a scout! Whoever gave you that tag line was miles off, you probably gave it yourself though so that’s pretty cool

Aliar dia, I didn't say he had great season, I said he had average to poor season but since you are Ali Dia or aliar dia, these posts are expected. Not surprising.

 

[roonster09]

We have Martial and Rashford since 2015. This is 6 years already. By this time Ronaldo was flying to Madrid after winning three league titles, one champions league and a ballon d'or.

So? Anyone argued that these 2 are anywhere near Ronaldo and Rooney?

Will they win league with this team and manager? Don't think so. Give the same team tk SAF, our chances of winning leagues would be much higher.

 

[Ali Dia]

Aliar dia, I didn't say he had great season, I said he had average to poor season but since you are Ali Dia or aliar dia, these posts are expected. Not surprising.

nice comeback

the only exciting or intelligent thing about your posts is you can copy and paste stats and of course this :

like the way you said you never post in this thread is it?

anyway. enough! I’m sure we both just want us back to winning ways. I want Rashford to succeed as much as you do but I’m not willing to bully people who don’t share the same views as I do.

He’ll be better next season. 100%

 

[roonster09]

nice comeback

the only exciting or intelligent thing about your posts is you can copy and paste stats and of course this :

Shame you can't even do that, when you try to post any numbers you make yourself look like a fool. One goal since jan

Well you can lie, will give you that. Hilarious how many times you lied so blatantly and shameless continue to do so. Ali Dia indeed.

 

[Ali Dia]

Shame you can't even do that, when you try to post any numbers you make yourself look like a fool. One goal since jan

Well you can lie, will give you that.

4! someone better call fifa and have a recount for the balon d’or if it’s not too late


…. and the winner is CHRIS WOOD

 

[roonster09]

4! someone better call fifa and have a recount for the balon d’or if it’s not too late


…. and the winner is CHRIS WOOD

Did your brother help you count till 4?

And somehow you and the other stw lad think you are arguing in good faith and then play victim card.

Year to forget for Rashford, scoring just 1 goal in this calendar year and we shouldn't even count assists for some odd reasons. Well wouldn't blame you, made yourself look lik a fool when you try to post numbers.

 

[Bebestation]

No I thought he was great up until he got injured last year. If he’d kept going he would actually be one of the best PL players. Since he’s come back he’s been really laboured and ultra selfish on the ball.

So you thought he was a good player with good work rate before his injury.

Now you don’t think he is a player with good work rate after he has had a season he had clearly come back still half injured, an injury that requires operation. An injury he highlights himself. So what is the problem? Are you thinking he won’t go back to this hard working player we had seen season after season except this?

He shouldn’t exactly do it - but one the reason I actually really like Rashford is his non stop love for United and football. He bypasses his operation to continue playing football, it may make him a worse player in the future - yet to a team that has the option of playing Daniel James or Martial (who was AWOL) - then again he ended up being a very useful player.

 

[big rons sovereign]

We have Martial and Rashford since 2015. This is 6 years already. By this time Ronaldo was flying to Madrid after winning three league titles, one champions league and a ballon d'or.

It's not really fair to compare anybody with Ronaldo, except maybe Messi but they're opposite sides of the same ridiculous coin.

 

[united_99]

4! someone better call fifa and have a recount for the balon d’or if it’s not too late


…. and the winner is CHRIS WOOD

Tbf you do get facts wrong nowadays when discussing Rashford. I remember you claiming James mostly got sub minutes (900 in the league) compared to Rashford’s 2700 whereas out of those 900 mins James played (almost) the entire 90 minutes a good number of times.
Another thing you got wrong was James 3 goals and 1 assist in the league were similar stats to Rashford’s 11 goals and 11 assists.
This was completely wrong as well as even if you adjust the minutes Rashford’s stats are much superior.
Whenever you get called out on that you come up with something else / move goal posts.
You are so heavily invested in this thread that you have started to get simple stats wrong.

 

[roonster09]

So you thought he was a good player with good work rate before his injury.

Now you don’t think he is a player with good work rate after he has had a season he had clearly come back still half injured, an injury that requires operation. An injury he highlights himself. So what is the problem? Are you thinking he won’t go back to this hard working player we had seen season after season except this?

He shouldn’t exactly do it - but one the reason I actually really like Rashford is his non stop love for United and football. He bypasses his operation to continue playing football, it may make him a worse player in the future - yet to a team that has the option of playing Daniel James or Martial (who was AWOL) - then again he ended up being a very useful player.

Rashford workrate was always average, what he always had was intensity. Except 2018-19 season, he averaged around 10-12 pressures per 90 mins, which isn't good. Only time where he had decent pressures per 90 mins was in 2018-19 season, he averaged 15-16 in that season.

What Rashford always had was intensity when he had the ball, something that he lacked this season. Hopefully he gets everything sorted after Euros, need fit and firing Rashford along with Sancho which makes our squad very strong, at least in the attack.

 

[Ali Dia]

Did your brother help you count till 4?

And somehow you and the other stw lad think you are arguing in good faith and then play victim card.

Year to forget for Rashford, scoring just 1 goal in this calendar year and we shouldn't even count assists for some odd reasons. Well wouldn't blame you, made yourself look lik a fool when you try to post numbers.

Victim card? You’re an Internet bully who says “I’m just posting facts” and then bends the truth to suit your narrative. You’ve jumped straight down everyone’s throat who said Rashford wasn’t good enough this season to win anything, in every thread and he’s since come out and said it himself. This is basically your thread in everything other than name. It should just be called Roonster fights people who have doubts about Rashfords quality if we want to win a league anytime soon…

Do you not get the absolute irony of complaining that something is stupid and then taking over the whole fecking thing? Or calling someone a liar and then being a total hypocrite yourself? Like seriously man! I raised lots of other points over the days arguing with you and the absolute best you can come up is I said “1 goal instead of 4” and I’m the biggest liar in the Caf. Like seriously. How childish and petty is that? I’ve clearly gone to some lengths to explain myself to you many times since? Right? And on you go (Supposedly not) posting in this thread….

oh and my name. great stuff, genius!

 

[Frank White]

Not at all. I can’t wait for Sancho. I’m certain he’s a better player than Rashford, currently. I honestly think Dan James or Pogba would have been a better option than Rashford in most of those 0-0s and in the final. Anyone who would actually occupy defenders instead of standing off and walking around when he wasn’t preparing to get the ball and lose it would have been an improvement. It’s fair to say 2021 has been a year to forget for Marcus. He’ll come back better. It’s always been fair to say we needed better from him and from the other forwards but playing with Rashford was like playing with ten men at times this season.

Just had to check about those 0-0 you referred too and couldn’t find many? There were 3 in a row so I assume you mean those? Dan James played in 2 of them, Rashford didn’t play in 1and looks like Pogba was injured during that time.

Definitely was a season to forget for Rashford but don’t think he’s alone in that aspect we have probably two players that could say they performed to the best of their ability week in week out.

 

[Ali Dia]

Tbf you do get facts wrong nowadays when discussing Rashford. I remember you claiming James mostly got sub minutes (900 in the league) compared to Rashford’s 2700 whereas out of those 900 mins James played (almost) the entire 90 minutes a good number of times.
Another thing you got wrong was James 3 goals and 1 assist in the league were similar stats to Rashford’s 11 goals and 11 assists.
This was completely wrong as well as even if you adjust the minutes Rashford’s stats are much superior.
Whenever you get called out on that you come up with something else / move goal posts.
You are so heavily invested in this thread that you have started to get simple stats wrong.

I never said he was a better player. Just more useful in the current circumstances. You’re right. I’ll be the first to admit than I’m not great with stats but Ill say what I see from watching games James form has been a lot better in a worse team since he left here this summer. I strongly believe he would have done more for us on the run in if our manager used his options better

 

[roonster09]

Victim card? You’re an Internet bully who says “I’m just posting facts” and then bends the truth to suit your narrative. You’ve jumped straight down everyone’s throat who said Rashford wasn’t good enough this season to win anything, in every thread and he’s since come out and said it himself. This is basically your thread in everything other than name. It should just be called Roonster fights people who have doubts about Rashfords quality if we want to win a league anytime soon…

Do you not get the absolute irony of complaining that something is stupid and then taking over the whole fecking thing? Or calling someone a liar and then being a total hypocrite yourself? Like seriously man! I raised lots of other points over the days arguing with you and the absolute best you can come up is I said “1 goal instead of 4” and I’m the biggest liar in the Caf. Like seriously. How childish and petty is that? I’ve clearly gone to some lengths to explain myself to you many times since? Right? And on you go (Supposedly not) posting in this thread….

oh and my name. great stuff, genius!

Meh, @united_99 got it spot on. You lie, move the goal posts and then moan about it. No one is bending the truth, When I posted his goal contributions for league only, you came up with nonsense that "he plays too many games in Europe and domestic cups" when the stats was PL only. When pointed out, you came up with one more nonsense "Yeah 7th well done, he is at the bottom of list bla bla bla".

Then one league goal since Jan, when pointed that and his goal contributions (which includes assists) you again moved on to something else posting half baked numbers. Obviously you are posting with good faith, somehow you get all the numbers wrong and blame Rashford for other ManUtd players not getting more goals + assists than Kane, Son, Salah. Anyone with working brain would know that Greenwood didn't start most of the season in 2019-20 and also he has very poor 2020-21 season except few games, Martial went AWOL this season, Cavani played only one season and he was sub for half of hit, Bruno played only 1.5 seasons, but no, genius like you twisted that to blame Rashford. But again, you are posting and arguing in good faith.

Tbf you do get facts wrong nowadays when discussing Rashford. I remember you claiming James mostly got sub minutes (900 in the league) compared to Rashford’s 2700 whereas out of those 900 mins James played (almost) the entire 90 minutes a good number of times.
Another thing you got wrong was James 3 goals and 1 assist in the league were similar stats to Rashford’s 11 goals and 11 assists.
This was completely wrong as well as even if you adjust the minutes Rashford’s stats are much superior.
Whenever you get called out on that you come up with something else / move goal posts.
You are so heavily invested in this thread that you have started to get simple stats wrong.

FYI, I have 0 reasons to discuss anything with you (at least if it's Rashford, Pogba topic), honestly I don't believe you and that stw lad post in good faith at all. You both just lie, move the goal posts and moan. Simple as that. Only reason I reply to your posts is, you can't resist the temptation to name me in your posts for no fecking reason.

Also, no I don't think you raised any points at all, at least in reply to me. Only thing you did was moan about me in the posts replying to someone else and I addressed only that point as I have 0 interest to read any of your posts as I believe you are just a agenda driven poster and more importantly you lie repeatedly and when pointed out, you make irrelevant post again, rinse and repeat.

So yeah good day. @united_99 put it in much better way anyways.

 

[Ali Dia]

Just had to check about those 0-0 you referred too and couldn’t find many? There were 3 in a row so I assume you mean those? Dan James played in 2 of them, Rashford didn’t play in 1and looks like Pogba was injured during that time.

Definitely was a season to forget for Rashford but don’t think he’s alone in that aspect we have probably two players that could say they performed to the best of their ability week in week out.

Yeah fair enough. My enduring memory of those games for whatever reason is Rashford walking around and maguire and Cavani bombing around him trying to make something happen. I couldn’t believe what I was seeing. He was making Berbarov look like Tevez at certain points last season

That’s the thing. If he’s one of our main players and that’s the kind of standard and workrate/output that’s being put on a pedestal around here then we aren’t going to be winning next year or the year after. Rashford has gears. He’ll improve again. I just don’t like being told he’s one of the best performing players in the league purely based on stats. I watch all the games. I see our problems and I like to talk about them on here. Rashfords patchy form and workrate definitely currently falls into that category for me.

 

[roonster09]

Good day? Attempts to take the moral high ground because I got some stats wrong after a month of .

you’ve been the one with the agenda. You couldn’t let a single post go by in this thread without shitting on it. Now you pretend to nonchalant? You’re a joke.

I have let lot of posts go without replying Aliar Dia, (one more lie, wow that's a shocker).

I replied to your posts when you moan about me in the posts. You are not a joke, you are Ali Dia, sorry Aliar Dia. (Seriously must be a record, lie in almost every post)

Ironic you talking about someone taking moral high ground, btw I didn't. I blatantly said on your face (well internet face) that I have 0 interest to read your posts as they are just agenda drive piece of shit. I also said very clearly, only reason I reply to your posts (at least in recent days) is when you moan about me in other posts for no reason.

You didn't get some stats wrong, good that you are trying to act all innocent. You got that stats wrong, when corrected move the goal posts and got few more wrong. Before that when correct stats was posted, you even twisted that to have a go at the player, yeah good faith indeed

Also if you think saying good day Is taking moral high ground and so insulting for you (each to their own), then yeah have a shit day stepping on every lego. Hope that made you happy.

 

[roonster09]

149 posts of just correcting people. You must be exhausted.

No I don't as I don't lie. Now back to the post count

 

[roonster09]

b…but you don’t post in here?

Poor guy saving all these misguided United fans from deluding themselves. You deserve a medal.

One more lie, I said I stopped posting here then you out of nowhere started to moan about me, that's when I replied.

But then you are Ali Dia, you won't get it. You will just moan, play victim card and then post the 'post count'.