Jadon Sancho | £72.9M fee agreed

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Never assume anything. Have you heard it makes you look an ass?

Anyway there was nothing 'silly' about the question. I was simply asking you to own and account for your comments. Simple as that.
And I did. You just have comprehension problems, again, maybe the language issues.
 

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I’m actually most looking forward to seeing Amad develop this season, and have a suspicion that he could level out the best of the lot tbh.
Amad is going to be amazing, but he just needs to fill out slightly. I think this season, if he gets the sort of minutes that Mata usually gets, that would be great progress for him. But no doubt the prospect of Amad backing up Sancho for the next couple of seasons or so before ultimately stamping his own authority on the team is a tantalising one.

Also, if we actually think about it, with Sancho and Amad there, is RW now one of our strongest areas after such a long time where it was our weakest? Which is pretty mental :lol:
 

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Not to have a go but I'm honestly wondering what Amad has shown so far to suggest he'll end up better than any of these three. He's looked a class apart in the youngers, granted, and has had moments in the first team but to say that you reckon he'll wind up better than three of the most exciting young talents in the world (ok, Marcus is arguable for some) when he's played a handful of first team games is a bit of a reach. I have high hopes for him too but worry about saddling him with unrealistic expectations. We're even quicker to tear our youngsters down than we are to build them up.
You have basically answered your own question.

You don’t make a prediction/have a feeling that a player will end up better than another after he has actually ended up better than them, that’s not how it works.
 

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I didn't know Joel Glazer was on Redcafe!

Last year we did feck all to strengthen the team. Then fell short in the league and two cups. Maybe that statement would change if we had signed a single starter who wasn't a free agent.

As for ending up like Barca? Despite Covid the Glazers paid more than £23m in dividends in the financial year, so spare me the crocodile tears about financial prudence when it comes to spending an extra £30m on a key target. Saving that money put more money in the owners pocket, it didn't save the club from bankruptcy.
Bingo.
 

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A lot of expectations on his shoulder to be the RW saviour. I personally think he plays better from the left and we’ll hear groans about that from the masses as the season progresses. Similar to how Nani was much better on the right but was shoe horned to the left because Valencia was strictly right sided.

I’m expecting a patchy first season from Sancho. Flashes of brilliance with plenty frustration. His potential is incredible though. I’m most happy about us having the flexibility to rest Rashford more now.
 

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Amad is going to be amazing, but he just needs to fill out slightly. I think this season, if he gets the sort of minutes that Mata usually gets, that would be great progress for him. But no doubt the prospect of Amad backing up Sancho for the next couple of seasons or so before ultimately stamping his own authority on the team is a tantalising one.

Also, if we actually think about it, with Sancho and Amad there, is RW now one of our strongest areas after such a long time where it was our weakest? Which is pretty mental :lol:
We haven't had a successful right-winger at the club since Nani? I may be being harsh on Valencia as he did have one or two decent seasons at the start of his career, but he declined rapidly shortly after. In any case, to have Sancho (and potentially Diallo) as an option in that area of the pitch is a godsend. No more relying on the left-flank to provide our only source of goal-scoring opportunities, as we should now be concentrating on switching the play constantly, stretching the opposition backline rather than them piling up on our left.

I can't wait to watch us next season with a genuinely skilled right winger in the squad.
 

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Potentially one of the best attacking wingers in the world we have to be delighted with this.
 

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You have basically answered your own question.

You don’t make a prediction/have a feeling that a player will end up better than another after he has actually ended up better than them, that’s not how it works.
Not sure you understood the question. I'm asking what he's shown so far that suggests he'll turn out better.
 

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I didn't know Joel Glazer was on Redcafe!

Last year we did feck all to strengthen the team. Then fell short in the league and two cups. Maybe that statement would change if we had signed a single starter who wasn't a free agent.

As for ending up like Barca? Despite Covid the Glazers paid more than £23m in dividends in the financial year, so spare me the crocodile tears about financial prudence when it comes to spending an extra £30m on a key target. Saving that money put more money in the owners pocket, it didn't save the club from bankruptcy.
And what's the absolute guarantee he'd have been a MAJOR success? Looking at how transfers for £100m plus have turned out(Mbappe aside and Neymar is debatable) there's every single chance he'd have MASSIVELY struggled to make an impression on an imbalanced Utd team with the pressure of a massive price tag on his back coming from a league players generally need time to adapt out of coming to the PL. And what major impact would he have made different from last year? We'd have still finished 2nd. Maybe we get out of our CL group but likely not make past the Quarters meaning another trophyless season. At least this time he's coming to a more balanced Utd team with a cheaper fee meaning less pressure on him to afford. You can hate The Glazers for many things but walking away from Sancho last year and getting him this year for £30m less is not it. If it was Chelsea/Liverpool you'd be calling their DOFs the best in the business :lol:
 

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Amad is going to be amazing, but he just needs to fill out slightly. I think this season, if he gets the sort of minutes that Mata usually gets, that would be great progress for him. But no doubt the prospect of Amad backing up Sancho for the next couple of seasons or so before ultimately stamping his own authority on the team is a tantalising one.

Also, if we actually think about it, with Sancho and Amad there, is RW now one of our strongest areas after such a long time where it was our weakest? Which is pretty mental :lol:
We will know that once they have actually played there I would imagine, I think Amad has started one game in the Premier League and that is one more than Sancho.
 

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I didn't know Joel Glazer was on Redcafe!

Last year we did feck all to strengthen the team. Then fell short in the league and two cups. Maybe that statement would change if we had signed a single starter who wasn't a free agent.

As for ending up like Barca? Despite Covid the Glazers paid more than £23m in dividends in the financial year, so spare me the crocodile tears about financial prudence when it comes to spending an extra £30m on a key target. Saving that money put more money in the owners pocket, it didn't save the club from bankruptcy.
We did strengthen the team, though.

Not to mention the slight issue called covid-19
 

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I used to find possible transfers to United very exciting, nowadays it’s all incredibly tedious,
 

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We did strengthen the team, though.

Not to mention the slight issue called covid-19
Not really. We bought Van De Beek who might as well not exist, Pellestri who we immediately sent out on loan, Diallo who hasn’t been seen since, Telles who sits on the bench and Cavani who basically just replaced the goals Martial scored the season before.

We didn’t really strengthen the first 11 much, if at all. Cavani offers something different I’ll grant you, and is an improvement over Martial, but in terms of numbers we weren’t really any better off. That needs to change this summer as I’m sick of us getting into good positions and not seizing the opportunity. We’ve been here before - remember 2018 when we finished 2nd and all speculated on how we should close the gap to City? Then we signed Lee Grant and Fred.
 

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I spotted this van today a couple of blocks from home:


I'm not saying it's a sign but it could be a 24 hours of significant size.
 

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Not really. We bought Van De Beek who might as well not exist, Pellestri who we immediately sent out on loan, Diallo who hasn’t been seen since, Telles who sits on the bench and Cavani who basically just replaced the goals Martial scored the season before.

We didn’t really strengthen the first 11 much, if at all. Cavani offers something different I’ll grant you, and is an improvement over Martial, but in terms of numbers we weren’t really any better off. That needs to change this summer as I’m sick of us getting into good positions and not seizing the opportunity. We’ve been here before - remember 2018 when we finished 2nd and all speculated on how we should close the gap to City? Then we signed Lee Grant and Fred.
We strengthened the first team with 3 players, Van De Beek, Telles and Cavani, not to mention the fact that we invested in two very talented youngsters.

Was Van De Beeks first season a major success, nope, but that's hindsight, he was brought in to strengthen the team. Signing Telles has strengthened the squad, easily, and Cavani is a no brainer.

There's not all that much of a reason to moan about last summer. The financial consequences of Covid-19 resulted in major losses and concerns about when the cash flow would return to normal, if ever. Forking out obscene fees up front was always going to be a big no.
 

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Neville still crying we haven’t been deducted points because of the ESL

What a “legend”

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to the Kamaldeen thread where it’s all kicking off!
We did strengthen the team, though.

Not to mention the slight issue called covid-19
Nah the other poster isn't wrong. We practically didn't strengthen the 11 despite most other teams doing so, Including City, Liverpool and Chelsea.

We definitely should have done more and once we couldnt buy Sancho should have shifted our focus to a CB or CDM for the 11.

Since we didn't it left us with too much to do this summer. Poor planning.
 

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We strengthened the first team with 3 players, Van De Beek, Telles and Cavani, not to mention the fact that we invested in two very talented youngsters.

Was Van De Beeks first season a major success, nope, but that's hindsight, he was brought in to strengthen the team. Signing Telles has strengthened the squad, easily, and Cavani is a no brainer.

There's not all that much of a reason to moan about last summer. The financial consequences of Covid-19 resulted in major losses and concerns about when the cash flow would return to normal, if ever. Forking out obscene fees up front was always going to be a big no.
I mean yeah those things all happened but did they result in our first 11 being strengthened? If not then what’s the point? We could sign a hundred players each year but if you don’t play any of them and they don’t perform when you do, what’s the point? The end result is what matters.
 

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Not really. We bought Van De Beek who might as well not exist, Pellestri who we immediately sent out on loan, Diallo who hasn’t been seen since, Telles who sits on the bench and Cavani who basically just replaced the goals Martial scored the season before.

We didn’t really strengthen the first 11 much, if at all. Cavani offers something different I’ll grant you, and is an improvement over Martial, but in terms of numbers we weren’t really any better off. That needs to change this summer as I’m sick of us getting into good positions and not seizing the opportunity. We’ve been here before - remember 2018 when we finished 2nd and all speculated on how we should close the gap to City? Then we signed Lee Grant and Fred.
You could argue the same for this year. We'd sign only Sancho and Varane. Which in itself is not enough to close the gap on City, but it sure does make the gap smaller.
We were shambles back then. Going after players Mourinho wants and the board was not convinced. Perisic didn't materialise, nor the CB Jose wanted, because there wasn't full cooperation between board and manager, even if Mourinho has stated in numerous interviews that he has a good relation with Ed.

It definitely feels different. You can see the improvement in negotiation management.
 

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I mean yeah those things all happened but did they result in our first 11 being strengthened? If not then what’s the point? We could sign a hundred players each year but if you don’t play any of them and they don’t perform when you do, what’s the point? The end result is what matters.
In hindsight or then and there?
 

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In hindsight or then and there?
Then and there as well.

Telles was always going to be 50-50.

VDB was always going to be behind Bruno and Pogba.

And Cavani was a backup that worked out because of Martials injuries and terrible form.

None where signed with the the expectation that they would be playing every week.
 

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Not to have a go but I'm honestly wondering what Amad has shown so far to suggest he'll end up better than any of these three. He's looked a class apart in the youngers, granted, and has had moments in the first team but to say that you reckon he'll wind up better than three of the most exciting young talents in the world (ok, Marcus is arguable for some) when he's played a handful of first team games is a bit of a reach. I have high hopes for him too but worry about saddling him with unrealistic expectations. We're even quicker to tear our youngsters down than we are to build them up.
Brilliant decision making. You watch him and just know that he will be a wicked player once he fills out physically. Not Greenwood level but not far off. I see a technical winger/AM in him.
 

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This is an excellent video showing his progression and in game intelligence. Causing havoc against Munich is always a great sign. It’ll probably take him a season or two but he’s definitely going to be one of the top attackers in this league. It’s as safe a bet as I can see out there for us. I’m one of the people who thought he was worth the fee last summer so £77 million is just super business for both clubs. Dortmund have done brilliantly with him and will no doubt reinvest the money wisely as always.

Every German fan is saying he’s one of the best players in the league over the last few years. It’s not just hype. It wasn’t like that with Miki and Kagawa who absolutely were system players. They are reliant on Sanchos creativity. The mata comparisons seem a little off for me. Sancho is a fair bit faster and more resilient on the ball than anything I’ve seen from mata. Mata was always a 10 played out of position. Sancho is a natural wide man who will drift central playing 1/2s. Cavani is going to love him.

He’s brilliant!
He'll improve players around him. That goal from the video thumbnail is excellent example. Dragging so many opposition players out of position and creating your other 2 attackers space in the box and only one defender left for each attacker. That Alcacer goal could well have been scored by Martial. If Sancho helps Martial hit Paco's numbers in that season, while the other forwards manage to replicate their form from last year, then we're definitely making big strides in the right direction.
 
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