Lionel Messi’s Obscene Contract

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In fact, the solution is not the cap on salaries but having a mechanism that reduces inequalities.
I agree.

The question is what that mechanism should be.

I have said before that one could look into bringing back the foreign quota in some shape or form. *

As in - limit the number of players who are not "organic" (based on whatever definition) a team can field in a given match (domestic or European).

Wouldn't necessarily mean a "foreign" quota literally - as you could limit the number of players not developed by the team itself.

* For starting XIs.
 

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In terms of Messi, he's been one of the best paid and most successfull athletes for years. It's not like he's been underpaid compared to what he could've made at another club, there's barely a club that could even come close to what Barcelona have been paying the fecker. His wages are detrimental to the club he's been in for ages but the club is seemingly desperate for him to stay. It's rather bizarre that there's so little focus on it. If he wants to feck off to another club, then by all means, no issues whatsoever, but if he's playing the waiting game in order to get as much as possible from Barcelona then it's beyond me how supporters can get behind him.
I'm pretty sure the fan base must have mixed feelings about it, they won't open hate on him but I'm sure the socios reckon the club is in a difficult position and it might be for the best, long term, to part ways with him. Then even if they were able to sell him and get rid of his wages they would still need to get rid of players like Griezmann, Dembele, Couthino, etc. as almost everyone is being overpaid.
 

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Havent heard from a single Barcelona supporter anything but positivism towards Messi's situation, not sure where you guys are getting this narrative from. Barca supporters are very well aware of who's at fault here, and thats' Barca's board and administrators.

You wont hear a single Barcelona fan complain about Messi when he plays like he does on a consistent basis and also when he's the one that makes Barcelona the most money. On top of that he already agreed to get a paycut these next few years so Barca can sign him.

The problem right now is that even if Barca offered Messi 0 euros and he accepted, they couldnt sign him because the salaries still are above the cap. Thats the issue, doesnt have anything to do with Messi's "greed".
 

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Havent heard from a single Barcelona supporter anything but positivism towards Messi's situation, not sure where you guys are getting this narrative from. Barca supporters are very well aware of who's at fault here, and thats' Barca's board and administrators.

You wont hear a single Barcelona fan complain about Messi when he plays like he does on a consistent basis and also when he's the one that makes Barcelona the most money. On top of that he already agreed to get a paycut these next few years so Barca can sign him.

The problem right now is that even if Barca offered Messi 0 euros and he accepted, they couldnt sign him because the salaries still are above the cap. Thats the issue, doesnt have anything to do with Messi's "greed".
Yeh nothing to do with the obscene amount of money messi is getting out of Barcelona.


"...The details of disgruntled superstar Lionel Messi's four-year extension contract signed back in 2017 was revealed by Spanish newspaper El Mundo in a bombshell report by Marti Saballs and Esteban Urreiztieta. The maximum amount €555,237,619 was splashed on the publication's front page presented with the headline of, "Messi's pharaonic contract that has ruined Barcelona."

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The Argentine Lionel Messi has a contract with FC Barcelona that amounts to €555,237,619 gross, to be paid in four seasons until its expiration next June 30. The figure is the sum of a fixed salary, image rights, a series of multi-million-euro bonuses unprecedented to date, daily allowances and a list of variables depending on various objectives.
Some further details of the contract include the fact that the Argentine winger earns a fixed total of €138 million per season, which increases based on certain variables -- namely statistical targets and club accomplishments. He was also given €115,225,000 as a "renewal fee" for accepting the contract, and an additional €77,929,955 as a loyalty bonus.

In summary, we're looking at:
  • Just under $674 million over four years (roughly $168.5M per season)
  • Renewal fee estimated at roughly $140M
  • Roughly $94.6M loyalty bonus
https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/ne...-leaked-by-spanish-paper-in-bombshell-report/

Utterly insane figures. But its not Messi's fault ok.
 

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Yeh nothing to do with the obscene amount of money messi is getting out of Barcelona.


"...The details of disgruntled superstar Lionel Messi's four-year extension contract signed back in 2017 was revealed by Spanish newspaper El Mundo in a bombshell report by Marti Saballs and Esteban Urreiztieta. The maximum amount €555,237,619 was splashed on the publication's front page presented with the headline of, "Messi's pharaonic contract that has ruined Barcelona."

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Some further details of the contract include the fact that the Argentine winger earns a fixed total of €138 million per season, which increases based on certain variables -- namely statistical targets and club accomplishments. He was also given €115,225,000 as a "renewal fee" for accepting the contract, and an additional €77,929,955 as a loyalty bonus.

In summary, we're looking at:
  • Just under $674 million over four years (roughly $168.5M per season)
  • Renewal fee estimated at roughly $140M
  • Roughly $94.6M loyalty bonus
https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/ne...-leaked-by-spanish-paper-in-bombshell-report/

Utterly insane figures. But its not Messi's fault ok.

Its funny how people immediately discredit and disregard the articles that make an analysis on why Barcelona are making a profit with Messi, yet assume its true whatever numbers other articles put up titled "the contract that ruined Barcelona". But i guess thats how media works, and then people believe what they choose to believe.

The only thing we know for a fact is this: Barcelona, for an unknown reason to some of you, want Messi to stay on their club. They even forced him to stay last summer when he publicly stated that he wanted out and Barcelona had offers from City and PSG. Logic doesnt tell you that if Messi was the one to blame for all the problems in Barcelona, they woud have happily got rid of his wages and even make 100M from transfer fees? But no, they kept him against his will, Messi had to comply, played a hell of a season for them (currently first on the run for the balon d or) and now his contract has run its course.



But hey, its Messi's fault. Its not like Barcelona is paying a fortune to lawyers and administrators to run their club and make these type of decisions. Clearly the one closing all the deals for Barcelona is a 16 year old player that Messi is manipulating and forcing him to offer him all these club-ruining contracts.
 

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I'm pretty sure the fan base must have mixed feelings about it, they won't open hate on him but I'm sure the socios reckon the club is in a difficult position and it might be for the best, long term, to part ways with him. Then even if they were able to sell him and get rid of his wages they would still need to get rid of players like Griezmann, Dembele, Couthino, etc. as almost everyone is being overpaid.
I can assure you very very few Socis want Messi gone, but would gladly get rid of 90% of the other players after recent CL humiliations
 

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Him wanting to leave last summer was also a mess that didn't paint anyone in a good light. For instance Messi wasn't in good terms with the board announced he wanted to leave and in return they leaked his contract to make him appear like an ungrateful greedy bastard. He had this clause about him being able to walk away if he felt so but due to some technicalities thanks to covid the board and spanish league didn't recognize that clause.

At that point the board wasn't going to let him go on a free or negotiate anything below his clause value, he didn't fight beyond that but the damage was done and Bartomeu had his days counted. So you all can be sure he's staying now but there were a lot of political factors with the club not letting him go for free and sabotaging him.
 

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I can assure you very very few Socis want Messi gone, but would gladly get rid of 90% of the other players after recent CL humiliations
Well yeah, I'm sure everyone is blaming on Bartomeu of everything but the current situation does represent a handicap having numerous players on huge wages while trying to negotiate a new contract with Messi all while pretending to assemble a competitive squad.
 

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Its funny how people immediately discredit and disregard the articles that make an analysis on why Barcelona are making a profit with Messi
We don't immediately discredit them. We look at the arguments and we find them lacking.
 

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Can someone link to an analysis on why Barcelona are making a profit on Messi?
 

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Yeh nothing to do with the obscene amount of money messi is getting out of Barcelona.


"...The details of disgruntled superstar Lionel Messi's four-year extension contract signed back in 2017 was revealed by Spanish newspaper El Mundo in a bombshell report by Marti Saballs and Esteban Urreiztieta. The maximum amount €555,237,619 was splashed on the publication's front page presented with the headline of, "Messi's pharaonic contract that has ruined Barcelona."

More:

Some further details of the contract include the fact that the Argentine winger earns a fixed total of €138 million per season, which increases based on certain variables -- namely statistical targets and club accomplishments. He was also given €115,225,000 as a "renewal fee" for accepting the contract, and an additional €77,929,955 as a loyalty bonus.

In summary, we're looking at:
  • Just under $674 million over four years (roughly $168.5M per season)
  • Renewal fee estimated at roughly $140M
  • Roughly $94.6M loyalty bonus
https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/ne...-leaked-by-spanish-paper-in-bombshell-report/

Utterly insane figures. But its not Messi's fault ok.
Any business that offers an employee more than they can afford to pay him only have themselves to blame.
 

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According to the article:

50m + 19m annual sponsors
60m merchandising
93m match day revenue (huge increase in one-off ticket purchases, likely Messi-tourists?)

All in all, 222m (or a Neymar)

Messi costs 100m a year. Are we assuming that Barca’s revenue would so drastically drop that it is in fact a one man club? That Barca could not get a proper sponsorship deal, sell some shirts, and get fans to their stadium without Messi?

That potential +100m move to City last summer was a chance to save 100m and make another 100m. It would probably also have made it easier to negotiate down the wages of the rest of the squad and move players seeing as no one is untouchable. Also, he’s 34 and they desperately need a rebuild.
 

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According to the article:

50m + 19m annual sponsors
60m merchandising
93m match day revenue (huge increase in one-off ticket purchases, likely Messi-tourists?)

All in all, 222m (or a Neymar)

Messi costs 100m a year. Are we assuming that Barca’s revenue would so drastically drop that it is in fact a one man club? That Barca could not get a proper sponsorship deal, sell some shirts, and get fans to their stadium without Messi?

That potential +100m move to City last summer was a chance to save 100m and make another 100m. It would probably also have made it easier to negotiate down the wages of the rest of the squad and move players seeing as no one is untouchable. Also, he’s 34 and they desperately need a rebuild.
yes we would. People travel from all over the world (plenty from America) just to see him. I’ve been to camp nou many times abd met several people who don’t care for football at all but hear all these great things about Messi so they choose to see him play. They museum has like 20% of it dedicated just to see Messi. It would be like when the Chicago Bulls lost Michael Jordan.

barca have zero marketable stats right now, maybe Griezmann but he’s not someone people who are lukewarm on football would care to see.
 

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yes we would. People travel from all over the world (plenty from America) just to see him. I’ve been to camp nou many times abd met several people who don’t care for football at all but hear all these great things about Messi so they choose to see him play. They museum has like 20% of it dedicated just to see Messi. It would be like when the Chicago Bulls lost Michael Jordan.

barca have zero marketable stats right now, maybe Griezmann but he’s not someone people who are lukewarm on football would care to see.
You don't happen to live in Barcelona do you? That club was huge before Messi. It will be after Messi. Apart from American sports not translating to European football at all, Chicago Bulls only became great by signing Jordan and building a team around him. In this equation, Barca is the Lakers or the Celtics.

Eventually, Barca will have to be a team without Messi again. And they'll be fine. You can have quite a few star players combined for his reported annual wage. Ones who can also be part of Barca's future. He's amazing and all that, but I wouldn't want this scenario at my club.
 

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You don't happen to live in Barcelona do you? That club was huge before Messi. It will be after Messi. Apart from American sports not translating to European football at all, Chicago Bulls only became great by signing Jordan and building a team around him. In this equation, Barca is the Lakers or the Celtics.

Eventually, Barca will have to be a team without Messi again. And they'll be fine. You can have quite a few star players combined for his reported annual wage. Ones who can also be part of Barca's future. He's amazing and all that, but I wouldn't want this scenario at my club.
I hear you, and Barca do need to move past Messi eventually. Pedri and de Jong aren’t enough. But they’ll need to land another marketable star, Barcelona had their biggest highs with Messi and he won’t be there to paper over the cracks anymore
 

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I don't have a problem with Messi or whoever getting paid.

Does anyone here want the Glazers to get richer or the boys who generate the money to get a larger share of the pie?
Some of the replies in here genuinely amaze me. Is it just the numbers that are throwing people for a loop?

Granted, I also want clubs to pay their staff more, not just the coaching staff but all employees.We live in a society where companies and CEOs are lauded for making million off of the backs off their underpaid employees and like as not footballers are underpaid as well but someone is greedy for trying to extract as much as possible
 

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According to the article:

50m + 19m annual sponsors
60m merchandising
93m match day revenue (huge increase in one-off ticket purchases, likely Messi-tourists?)

All in all, 222m (or a Neymar)

Messi costs 100m a year. Are we assuming that Barca’s revenue would so drastically drop that it is in fact a one man club? That Barca could not get a proper sponsorship deal, sell some shirts, and get fans to their stadium without Messi?

That potential +100m move to City last summer was a chance to save 100m and make another 100m. It would probably also have made it easier to negotiate down the wages of the rest of the squad and move players seeing as no one is untouchable. Also, he’s 34 and they desperately need a rebuild.
I am sorry but that match day revenue figure has been pulled out of someone's arse. There is absolutely no way of telling whether that is true unless they have some sort of box on the the ticket sales that ask if they're only purchasing due to Messi.
 

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I don't have a problem with Messi or whoever getting paid.

Does anyone here want the Glazers to get richer or the boys who generate the money to get a larger share of the pie?
Some of the replies in here genuinely amaze me. Is it just the numbers that are throwing people for a loop?

Granted, I also want clubs to pay their staff more, not just the coaching staff but all employees.We live in a society where companies and CEOs are lauded for making million off of the backs off their underpaid employees and like as not footballers are underpaid as well but someone is greedy for trying to extract as much as possible
Footballer are underpaid...

Not sure if serious
 

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If he trully loves Barca he'd take "normal" wages, spread it till 5 years of retirement say 15M euros per year until 2030 where he can still work at the club as an ambassador, he'd cement his place in Barca history not only as GOAT but the one who puts the club above everyone, but NAH, he's one greedy midget. Also i dont think he'd like to live in Argentina after he retired, their gov are savages, purging rich men for taxes.
 

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If he trully loves Barca he'd take "normal" wages, spread it till 5 years of retirement say 15M euros per year until 2030 where he can still work at the club as an ambassador, he'd cement his place in Barca history not only as GOAT but the one who puts the club above everyone, but NAH, he's one greedy midget. Also i dont think he'd like to live in Argentina after he retired, their gov are savages, purging rich men for taxes.
how can you talk nonsense like this without even seeing what his next contract is? At least wait and see what the next contract is
 

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how can you talk nonsense like this without even seeing what his next contract is? At least wait and see what the next contract is
why am i not suprised with this :lol: were you only becoming Barca fan because of Messi? Kinda funny from a club whom proudly labeled themselves as "Mes Que Un Club", or rather should we change it into "Messi's Club"? ;)
 

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why am i not suprised with this :lol: were you only becoming Barca fan because of Messi? Kinda funny from a club whom proudly labeled themselves as "Mes Que Un Club", or rather should we change it into "Messi's Club"? ;)
been a fan before Messi ever arrived. It’s just weird to make assumptions when nothing about his next contract has been mentioned. He’s still an absolute worst case top 3 player in the world
 

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been a fan before Messi ever arrived. It’s just weird to make assumptions when nothing about his next contract has been mentioned. He’s still an absolute worst case top 3 player in the world
He's still the best player in the world atm but thats not my point, my point is that he should be more willing to make personal sacrifice for a club he's supposed to love, for the club who gambled and paid his medical treatment. Good that youre a long time Barca fan so i dont need to remind you that Barca are a big club before Messi and will always be after Messi.
 

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These deluded Barca fans going down with the Titanic. No wonder Barcelona and Real Madrid were clinging on to the Super League in desperation. They've royally fecked themselves and it's hilarious. Even now, they're snapping up players and can't even register them.

It's not as if Messi even guaranteed them success over the last few years so why are they hell bent on breaking the bank for more of the same when it would be better just to part ways and move on?
 

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He's still the best player in the world atm but thats not my point, my point is that he should be more willing to make personal sacrifice for a club he's supposed to love, for the club who gambled and paid his medical treatment. Good that youre a long time Barca fan so i dont need to remind you that Barca are a big club before Messi and will always be after Messi.
sure and I appreciate that, but all I’m saying is can we wait for the contract details before jumping to conclusions? If Messi continues to ask for 40M a year then sure, throw him under the bus for being greedy. All I’m saying is let’s wait to hear the details before jumping to conclusions
 

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These deluded Barca fans going down with the Titanic. No wonder Barcelona and Real Madrid were clinging on to the Super League in desperation. They've royally fecked themselves and it's hilarious. Even now, they're snapping up players and can't even register them.

It's not as if Messi even guaranteed them success over the last few years so why are they hell bent on breaking the bank for more of the same when it would be better just to part ways and move on?
Barto has made one hell of a mess for sure
 

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I've always thought troughout this that Messi would stay, almost no rumors or offers from other clubs, most of the stories say the same "contract is close to being done", but given Barcelonas troubles with the wage budget, he may actually have to leave after all?
 

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He needs to be held accountable for what he's done to that club.
he should legit be up for trial, but if we are being very honest the whole more than a club thing has been a joke for quite some time
 

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sure and I appreciate that, but all I’m saying is can we wait for the contract details before jumping to conclusions? If Messi continues to ask for 40M a year then sure, throw him under the bus for being greedy. All I’m saying is let’s wait to hear the details before jumping to conclusions
40M a year for Messi would be a bargain, but i suspect he ask more, far more higher than that as his previous contract was worth 200M per year.
 

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I can understand why barca doesn't want to let messi leave. A player like him won't be available for next 50 years probably. But thanks to covid and their stupid transfer spending, they are in a tough position. The way things are going, their manager will probably have to win matches with messi and ten pieces of woods :D .
 

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40M a year for Messi would be a bargain, but i suspect he ask more, far more higher than that as his previous contract was worth 200M per year.
I honestly don’t know think so, he knows how broke the club is. I’m thinking max 25M a year and they have the contract include extra years for his MLS days and being an ambassador to the club.

I’d be very disappointed if he asked for 50M+ Per year.
 

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40M a year for Messi would be a bargain, but i suspect he ask more, far more higher than that as his previous contract was worth 200M per year.
Probably some sort of Ambassador role for next 10 years in return of a normal salary.
 

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I wouldn't reduce my salary if I were Messi. 'Love for the club' goes out the window once they forced him to be there for an extra season even though he had legal right to leave. Not only is that unethical, but it directly affects his ability to negotiate a better contract elsewhere, being one year older and all.

Staying at the club after that shit is enough loyalty.
 

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City wouldn't pay any transfer fee for Messi last summer. They believed he could leave for free and all the money would then go to him. Some sources even said City would pay him with CFG shares so Messi would become a co-owner of City.
 

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It seems there is a standoff. Messi waits until Barcelona can pay the full price. Barcelon can pay only with new investors. The investors will commit only to Messi, not to Barcelona. The longer this standoff continues, the more likely Messi will take the City deal on the table since last summer. The clock really starts to tick after the summer tournament.
 

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City wouldn't pay any transfer fee for Messi last summer. They believed he could leave for free and all the money would then go to him. Some sources even said City would pay him with CFG shares so Messi would become a co-owner of City.
Even then City would not pay him more then 50M in Salary last year but he would probably got huge Signing on Fee.

Now there's a different Scenario, Messi is 1 year older and Covid happend all year. Messi will never get anything near what Barcelona is offering , not even close.