These are all examples of good national anthem booing. England ones are the bad kinds of booing. Its similar to racism. England’s racism is bad but their opponents in this tournament Italy and Ukraine have the good kind of racism.
Booing during national anthems...
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English?
I kinda see your anti English bias here. Maybe it's you who has a problem with the English and that's it?
English?
This is how all opening ceremonies before football matches should begin:
Credit to France for this. It may have been completely cynical to placate English away fans, but I don't care, it just shows how a good atmosphere can be created by being courteous and making a gesture of good will. Did either fan base boo the national anthem after this? I highly suspect not.
Credit to France for this. It may have been completely cynical to placate English away fans, but I don't care, it just shows how a good atmosphere can be created by being courteous and making a gesture of good will. Did either fan base boo the national anthem after this? I highly suspect not.
It seems like England doing well brings out all the racist neanderthals..
Incase you were wondering, I didn't mean the England fans either
Incase you were wondering, I didn't mean the England fans either
You were talking about daycare moments ago and now you're whining about anti English bias, you some kinda Snowflake?
The reason I asked if he was English, was that I couldn't understand why someone would react to some mild criticism about booing national anthems with a meltdown (similar to your meltdown actually) unless they felt it was attacking them personally.
I need to stop replying here too, but I don't think it is just a song and words. Fully appreciate that it means more than that to some other countries. Granted I never knew quite how much.
It's just because it's football. In any other scenario none of us would boo. But it's the type of behaviour that's ingrained into football (and no not just in England), and so anybody who knows anything about football should understand it's not in any way meant in a disrespectful manner.
Everyone should support their national team at the tournament. Thats the norm.
Unless you are english, then you are a racist. Lovely reason and logic from these types of people, as per usual
These days mate
The English, booing the danish anthem. I think its classless. But thats just me. Each to his own.
You also presumed I was English a couple posts before... Its your goto response when we don't agreeing this whole booing anthems nonsense
football is a big pantomime, all the diving, the theatrics, the stage production of the coke bottles. It has villains and goodies.Turns out, England are the villains. Even though they're doing exactly the same as the other nations
it's amazing and I love it.Takes me back to watching Punch and Judy as a kid.
What so being english makes you automatically racist? Whats the answer; Shall we take all the english and lock them in a re-education camp?
Except he wasn't having a meltdown.
There's a very clear anti English vibe going on in here from some people, and that's pretty clear. It's not surprising that some folk are gunna react to that.
...Are you English?You also presumed I was English a couple posts before... Its your goto response when we don't agreeing this whole booing anthems nonsense
Turns out, England are the villains. Even though they're doing exactly the same as the other nations
Takes me back to watching Punch and Judy as a kid.
It doesn't make you racist. I'm just fed up that these days if you say you're English they throw you in jail
It's a bit of a meltdown, he got angry at sexist/homophobic/racist/xenophobe fact checkers, what does that even mean?
My country has had plenty of abuse on here, if not worse, than some people saying "don't boo national anthems" but I'm not going to get angry at imaginary lgbt fact checkers to make a point
Perhaps you need to if you don't follow. Or perhaps you've simply not read some of the bollocks that's been posted over the past few days. Lazy offensive stereotyping.
Basically means why is this thread even here to be honest. Such a non discussion topic. Everything has to be politicised nowadays, even supporting a football team. If you want to boo boo. If youre offended tough dont boo and ignore it. If it upsets you cry under your bed or something. /thread
English isn't a race lad
I identify as being from Atlantis.
It's not about nowadays.
Those quotes are from this very same website, in the year 2004.
No one is losing their shit (bar your fact checker bit), if you want to boo anthems go ahead, not everyone is going to agree with you and people are allowed an opinion.
Again, another funny way of saying "I'm English"
It's an ethnicity. The law covers nationality and citizenship under racially and religiously aggravated offences though.
So yeah. It's not okay.
Was the Italians booing the Austrian and then Spanish national anthems equally as classless and to be expected?
Nope. No hate here fella.
Your denial of the truth of England's racist history, of the invasion and barbaric ethnic cleansing of the innocent indigenous peoples of two continents , North America, Australia, and your refusal to acknowledge England's enslavement of African persons based on the colour of their skin, England's racist slaughter and starvation of tens of millions of Indians and Irish in the 19th century, is not a good look.
As I said previously you can acknowledge your racist barbaric history and still support the football team. In fact educating yourselves on your racist history will actually help you have a more rational understanding of what supporting England is all about today.
in my opinion matchgoing England supporters shouod have to take lessons on England's evil, racist imperialist past. This education in self awareness could help to get rid of the nasty element of racist and aggressive nationalists who give the rest of England fans a bad name.
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That's a hell of a leap to play the victim. Do you genuinely think the English are being racially abused on here?
If I called England shite, would you consider that racist?
Got no thoughts whatsoever. My only gripe is why we have to sing about an archaic institution instead of our country. Worst national anthem out there
I’m mot having a meltdown these are just trivial statements to me. People like you just exist to make peoples lives miserable by turning everything enjoyable into monotonous political prattle. Find a smallholding or something like it where you can hide from reality and kindly piss off there for good.
I really can't be arsed with discussing it any more to be honest. I think judging anyone based on their race or ethnicity along with lazy offensive stereotyping is unacceptable.
There's quite alot of double standards I've noticed on here lately and it's rather disappointing.
Truth hurts I see.
As long as you remain unawares of your violent racist past you have no chance of changing your aggressive attitude.
I am posting this again so that you can read it as part of your 'what it means to be English' education.
Your denial of the truth of England's racist history, of the invasion and barbaric ethnic cleansing of the innocent indigenous peoples of two continents , North America, Australia, and your refusal to acknowledge England's enslavement of African persons based on the colour of their skin, England's racist slaughter and starvation of tens of millions of Indians and Irish in the 19th century, is not a good look.
As I said previously you can acknowledge your racist barbaric history and still support the football team. In fact educating yourselves on your racist history will actually help you have a more rational understanding of what supporting England is all about today.
JEZPEZA "What so being english makes you automatically racist? Whats the answer; Shall we take all the english and lock them in a re-education camp?"
Interesting points. I think the answer is in educating yourselves to your brutal racist criminal imperialist history.
in my opinion matchgoing England supporters should have to take lessons on England's evil, racist imperialist past. This education in self awareness could help to get rid of the nasty element of racist and aggressive nationalists who give the rest of England fans a bad name.
This macho English aggression and general thuggish behaviour of some ( not all) English fans, including the booing of other countries national anthems, is mainly a matter of non education, ie ignorance of one's true identity, and so is directly linked to England's ideological white-washing of their violent racist history. The truth of the brutality of England's British empire is not taught at school. It needs to be.
But because it is not taught in schools I feel there should be a compulsory course fir all matchgoing fans.
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Are you just making things up now?
Do you want me to apologise to you for what my ancestors did? Or should everyone who is English live eternally in shame to satisfy the likes of yourself?
Weird.
I've said I don't care if people boo my anthem, I'd be a little embarrassed if my fellow supporters did it though. Along with saying that I understand why some don't see the problem in it. You're getting annoyed because someone doesn't completely agree with your opinion, you've whined about racism/sexist/lgbt fact checkers and politicising, when no one has mentioned any of that. Do you always get angry when someone has a mild disagreement with you?
I don't find your comment there offensive at all. I find it pretty funny. I found plenty of your comments trying to rile up Welsh, Danish supporters etc pretty funny. This is football.
You responded to a post I quoted earlier which was a lot more offensive to Welsh, Irish Northern Irish and Scottish supporters than anything about England in this thread, yet you didn't mention racism then.
Don't deflect from my point.
You either agree with me that it's unacceptable or you don't. That's all there is to it. Digging a post out that's calling a national football team shite is hardly comparable with what people have been saying on here about the English. Not the team, the ethnic group.
What posts about England do you find unacceptable? Genuine question, I've been told that my national identity is solely about how we Welsh relate to English. Considering the history of these two countries, that's a potentially very offensive thing to say. I'm not going to call it racism though, do you think that's an acceptable thing to say to someone?
I feel like you need a Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life, philosophical/religious facts, theories etc.
It's posts about the English people, not the country. There's a difference.
You seem to want to keep reaching to tell me you think it's okay but won't so instead ask me stuff. If you think it's okay that's fine.
There's a poster just above here ranting on about the the British Empire and the crimes committed by the British people hundreds of years ago in a thread in the football forum about booing national anthems.. do I need to say any more when it comes to plenty of people having an unhealthy hatred inside them?
My ancestors were piss poor coal miners from the west midlands and the other half merchant sailors. Are you saying them and by extension me are/were somehow major policy makers and or shareholders in the likes of the east india company or parliament? Your stereotyping is lazy, ignorant and ill judged and you are trying to drag stuff 200 years gone by into current discussion. you sound crazy embittered and entirely irrelevant.
More importantly, keep your political prattle on twitter and away from football
Someone saying that the Welsh identity is based solely on their relationship to England, is a comment about the people. It ignores the entire culture and just tells a Welsh person that they have no culture, no identity, nothing that exists without England being the imperative factor. That is a comment about Welsh people.
The poster you've mentioned specified a couple things
"This education in self awareness could help to get rid of the nasty element of racist and aggressive nationalists who give the rest of England fans a bad name."
"This macho English aggression and general thuggish behaviour of some ( not all) English fans"
I don't agree entirely with what that Poster has said, but he made it clear he wasn't talking about English people as a whole, rather a segment of the English support who are aggressive and thuggish in nature.
Yep, absolutely no hate here evidently...
It’s classless, yes.
As many others have said, I see no sensible reason to boo a national anthem. It’s needlessly disrespectful and makes us look like brutes. And we do (and have done it) far too much.
Seeing Italy boo the Spanish anthem above is equally classless.
I do see *slightly” more context for the Scots booing the English anthem or vice versa, (because of the historical rivalry and shared and complicated histories) but I still think it’s classless, and I’d much rather see each set of fans belt out their respective anthems and keep their mouths shut for the opposing one.
In all, it just sounds aggressive and I don’t think that should be confused with passion. I think the issue may have been amplified because England are essentially de facto hosts for these Euros, and booing pretty much every team’s anthem so far, coupled with reports of telling fans of other nations (a significant proportion of whom are probably living in the UK) to piss off back to their own country; not to mention (admittedly) isolated reports of families being attacked or taunted, paints a rather unsavoury image. It all just seems rather unnecessary.