Booing during national anthems...

big rons sovereign

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Truth hurts I see.
As long as you remain unawares of your violent racist past you have no chance of changing your aggressive attitude.

I am posting this again so that you can read it as part of your 'what it means to be English' education.

Your denial of the truth of England's racist history, of the invasion and barbaric ethnic cleansing of the innocent indigenous peoples of two continents , North America, Australia, and your refusal to acknowledge England's enslavement of African persons based on the colour of their skin, England's racist slaughter and starvation of tens of millions of Indians and Irish in the 19th century, is not a good look.
As I said previously you can acknowledge your racist barbaric history and still support the football team. In fact educating yourselves on your racist history will actually help you have a more rational understanding of what supporting England is all about today.

JEZPEZA "What so being english makes you automatically racist? Whats the answer; Shall we take all the english and lock them in a re-education camp?"

Interesting points. I think the answer is in educating yourselves to your brutal racist criminal imperialist history.



in my opinion matchgoing England supporters should have to take lessons on England's evil, racist imperialist past. This education in self awareness could help to get rid of the nasty element of racist and aggressive nationalists who give the rest of England fans a bad name.

This macho English aggression and general thuggish behaviour of some ( not all) English fans, including the booing of other countries national anthems, is mainly a matter of non education, ie ignorance of one's true identity, and so is directly linked to England's ideological white-washing of their violent racist history. The truth of the brutality of England's British empire is not taught at school. It needs to be.

But because it is not taught in schools I feel there should be a compulsory course fir all matchgoing fans.
None of the things you're babbling on about have anything to do with me pal. I have Irish, Scottish, Nordic, Jewish and Romany heritage.
I just happen to have been born in this country, you can take every single word of your post and shove it right up yer arse.
 

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You don’t boo the anthems of others. Not classy. The anthem is emblematic of a nation. Not in an ugly, chauvinistic way. But in a way that shows a recognition of - and celebration of - difference.

Sounds a bit good and schoolish? Maybe. Of course history is complicated. Of course nations/generations have leanings. But sport is a way to play these out in a sporting and - hopefully -,joyous way. Le Marseilles to the French. It’s … well …. Like a flag. Young and old unite on these big occasions- get a bit sentimental. Kiss the badge. Thank the ancestors. Respect the traditions of fellow Europeans.
 

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I think all england fans should join in the italian anthem, then celebrate wildly if they score to be honest. Actually, I think supporting specific teams is a bit hateful, just be neutral
Fecking racist English supporting the England team. How dare they.

I assume there's been no mention of Hungary, who have been fined for actual discriminatory behaviour?
 

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Someone saying that the Welsh identity is based solely on their relationship to England, is a comment about the people. It ignores the entire culture and just tells a Welsh person that they have no culture, no identity, nothing that exists without England being the imperative factor. That is a comment about Welsh people.

The poster you've mentioned specified a couple things

"This education in self awareness could help to get rid of the nasty element of racist and aggressive nationalists who give the rest of England fans a bad name."

"This macho English aggression and general thuggish behaviour of some ( not all) English fans"

I don't agree entirely with what that Poster has said, but he made it clear he wasn't talking about English people as a whole, rather a segment of the English support who are aggressive and thuggish in nature.
I think you've said enough now to be honest. We will leave it there.
 

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Fair, 3 posts since the fine was issued though says a lot about the priorities of some people.

I'm just tired of the clear agenda outside of the basic and reasonable debate regarding whether its okay to boo the anthems or not. That's not referring to you, more the likes of the troll above who's giving out free patronising history lessons (as if we don't already know it all).
 

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Fair, 3 posts since the fine was issued though says a lot about the priorities of some people.

I'm just tired of the clear agenda outside of the basic and reasonable debate regarding whether its okay to boo the anthems or not. That's not referring to you, more the likes of the troll above who's giving out free patronising history lessons (as if we don't already know it all).
It's the double standards that go with it all too. Can you imagine going in the Bundesliga thread and attacking our German posters for the atrocities committed under Hitler.
 

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It's the double standards that go with it all too. Can you imagine going in the Bundesliga thread and attacking our German posters for the atrocities committed under Hitler.
Exactly, we'd be crucified and rightly so. I was just going through that guys hateful post highlighting all the 'you' and 'yours' but it's really not worth it.
 

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I think you've said enough now to be honest. We will leave it there.
Both times you refused to answer my question if you found it ok. Odd

Fair, 3 posts since the fine was issued though says a lot about the priorities of some people.

I'm just tired of the clear agenda outside of the basic and reasonable debate regarding whether its okay to boo the anthems or not. That's not referring to you, more the likes of the troll above who's giving out free patronising history lessons (as if we don't already know it all).
tbh I I didn't actually know they'd been fined! And while I know you weren't singling me out, I posted fairly often in that thread but hadn't realised a fine had been executed. It's great that they did though, collective punishment is often bs in the real world but I think it's one of the best ways of policing shit from the stands. No one wants to be the reason the team got fecked.
 

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Both times you refused to answer my question if you found it ok. Odd



tbh I I didn't actually know they'd been fined! And while I know you weren't singling me out, I posted fairly often in that thread but hadn't realised a fine had been executed. It's great that they did though, collective punishment is often bs in the real world but I think it's one of the best ways of policing shit from the stands. No one wants to be the reason the team got fecked.
Because you're just going round in circles and I'm bored if I'm honest pal. Nothing odd about it.

You obviously don't agree with my opinion, nor that being English is belonging to an ethnic group. You even accused me of playing the victim when I mentioned being offended by some of what I've seen here in the past days.

Again it seems you have some kind of issue whether you want to admit that or not I'm not fussed. Ultimately you know where I stand with it and that's all there is to it I think. We move on.
 

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That's a hell of a leap to play the victim. Do you genuinely think the English are being racially abused on here?
If I called England shite, would you consider that racist?
Interesting. If you called Kenya a shithole country, would you be racist?
 

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Because you're just going round in circles and I'm bored if I'm honest pal. Nothing odd about it.

You obviously don't agree with my opinion, nor that being English is belonging to an ethnic group. You even accused me of playing the victim when I mentioned being offended by some of what I've seen here in the past days.

Again it seems you have some kind of issue whether you want to admit that or not I'm not fussed. Ultimately you know where I stand with it and that's all there is to it I think. We move on.
How the feck could I know where you stand when you refuse to answer the damn question? I gave you my answer instantly, yet despite being asked multiple times to answer mine you wholeheartedly refused.
 

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tbh I I didn't actually know they'd been fined! And while I know you weren't singling me out, I posted fairly often in that thread but hadn't realised a fine had been executed. It's great that they did though, collective punishment is often bs in the real world but I think it's one of the best ways of policing shit from the stands. No one wants to be the reason the team got fecked.
Yeah three games behind closed doors too, which I'm sure we can agree on as being a good thing! To be fair I think within a few hours the news had vanished from Sky Sports News, which perhaps isn't great itself.
 

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How the feck could I know where you stand when you refuse to answer the damn question? I gave you my answer instantly, yet despite being asked multiple times to answer mine you wholeheartedly refused.
I really can't be arsed with discussing it any more to be honest. I think judging anyone based on their race or ethnicity along with lazy offensive stereotyping is unacceptable.

There's quite alot of double standards I've noticed on here lately and it's rather disappointing.
 

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Whether it's disrespectful or not, it's just a bit embarrassing really. Imagine adults booing a national anthem. I mean, do it if you want, but also accept it's pretty fecking small-time.
 

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Ikr. Is shitposting allowed on the caf?
Newbies again innit.

Sick of em. Coming over here, using our bandwidth to post shite. We need to keep them separate (in the newbies) until they prove themselves. I wish one of the mods implemented a voting system, so that we could decide if newbies get to post and be in the mains.
 

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Newbies again innit.

Sick of em. Coming over here, using our bandwidth to post shite. We need to keep them separate (in the newbies) until they prove themselves. I wish one of the mods implemented a voting system, so that we could decide if newbies get to post and be in the mains.
Hey, we're not all shitheads. Well, not all the time.
 

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That quote from you came before I asked my question ffs. Nos Da Cariad, you were right, this was a waste of time
Yep and it answers your question so I'm not going to keep continuing to answer as that's a waste of both of our time.

Looking at your posts in this thread it seems you've been called out a few times by different people for having some kind of issue with the English. You're not really doing yourself any favours by continuing to go on about it nor do I understand what pleasure you're getting from doing so.
 

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I like it because it just makes the English look more pathetic and miserable, not that I’m pathetic and miserable or anything.
 

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Nope. No hate here fella.
Your denial of the truth of England's racist history, of the invasion and barbaric ethnic cleansing of the innocent indigenous peoples of two continents , North America, Australia, and your refusal to acknowledge England's enslavement of African persons based on the colour of their skin, England's racist slaughter and starvation of tens of millions of Indians and Irish in the 19th century, is not a good look.
As I said previously you can acknowledge your racist barbaric history and still support the football team. In fact educating yourselves on your racist history will actually help you have a more rational understanding of what supporting England is all about today.

in my opinion matchgoing England supporters shouod have to take lessons on England's evil, racist imperialist past. This education in self awareness could help to get rid of the nasty element of racist and aggressive nationalists who give the rest of England fans a bad name.
Human societies were brutal, barbaric, murderous and exploitative for millennia. Britain is no different to the rest of the world in that respect, except there was a few hundred years period where Britain was the most effective at (and not without some competition, it should be said). It's not a case of obliviousness, it's a case of perspective.
 

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Yep and it answers your question so I'm not going to keep continuing to answer as that's a waste of both of our time.

Looking at your posts in this thread it seems you've been called out a few times by different people for having some kind of issue with the English. You're not really doing yourself any favours by continuing to go on about it nor do I understand what pleasure you're getting from doing so.
:lol: :lol:

Go on, show me a post that highlighs my issue with the English.

On who I would rather win on Sunday
England.
I am more than happy to have some banterinos on sunday if England lose though, meltdown potential is high.

There is nothing wrong with the word banterino

I agree with your whole point, I think parts of Wales are probably more racist than anywhere nearby, following the Welsh team (when I can!) and there is a real jovial spirit to it, whereas I would be more concerned about dealing with hardcore English national team supporters than I would for most of the followings of other nearby countries. It was a small minority of course, but when England fans were causing trouble in 2016, Welsh, Irish, Northern Irish and Iceland fans were awarded some plaque to recognise their contributions to the tournament (right, I know it's not an appearance in a final but it's all we've got yeah)

This isn't a reflection on all England supporters, I think the majority are great and usually have an excellent sense of humour, and I think the England fans on here are a good representation of that, they're witty can take a joke and are good fun.
When talking about why some people might not like hardcore English supporters

Your comment is complete bullshit
You completely ignored all the other abuse and sit here whining about being racially abused for being English, awful.

Stop whining about it being a waste of time and how about stop quoting me you weirdo
 

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@Cascarino You've edited your post about ten times. No need for a meltdown. I did say earlier to move on but you chose to continue.
I really can't be arsed with discussing it any more to be honest.
I think you've said enough now to be honest. We will leave it there.
Yep and it answers your question so I'm not going to keep continuing to answer as that's a waste of both of our time.
Dear lord. You've spent the last hour saying "We're done" "This is a waste of time" and continue to @ or quote me.
When I asked you to back up your assertion of me having a problem with the English, I knew you would have nothing and would resort to your 20th "this is over, I'm done"

With that, I do think we're done here ;)
 

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Dear lord. You've spent the last hour saying "We're done" "This is a waste of time" and continue to @ or quote me.
When I asked you to back up your assertion of me having a problem with the English, I knew you would have nothing and would resort to your 20th "this is over, I'm done"

With that, I do think we're done here ;)
At least you've learnt what an ethnic group is so it's not been a total waste of time. I'll let you thank me later.
 

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Just checking. I assume you're not saying England is shite.
I am not, I said that because the poster in question had described Wales as shite (admittedly talking about the Welsh football team and not the country which I didn't know at the time), that's why I asked him the question, not because I think England is shite.

If you check my post history I've always been positive about England as a country (and a team for that matter)
I'm not a fan of booing anthems, but I don't think that's something unique to England, I mentioned it in another thread but Wales actually booed England's anthem years ago and didn't like it (though Beckham did say it encouraged them to win more than ever so swings and roundabouts)