More than England fans behaviour, I'm surprised by the lack of battering from the police. In France it would have been a different experience for the invaders.
England fans, what is wrong with England fans?
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I never said it’s ok, but the overreaction like we’re back in 1984 is absolutely hilarious, and who’s dodging responsibility? England has not eliminated hooliganism because that’s not possible, but you should do some research as to how much effort has went into tackling hooliganism over the years in England.
Where the hell even was the police? Somebody said they were cautious because there was a lot of criticism towards the police last year.
Little ingulanders. They largely come from post industrial working class areas of the country of which there is an awful lot.
Generally seen having tear ups on high streets on Friday and Saturday nights up and down the country.
Blame everyone but themselves for being stuck in the doldrums (some rightly so) have a problem with authority, have no respect for anything or anyone as they generally have very little themselves.
They are angry about an awful lot (again quite rightly in some cases) and generally don't need a huge excuse to show there anger in the form of violence.
When England are playing in major tournaments they all come out of the woodwork and mix its like a massive social occasion throw in copious amounts of alcohol and illicit drugs and you have the perfect storm.
Its not a new problem, nor a problem that is uniquely English by any stretch of the imagination, but England does have huge Swathes of post industrial working class areas that have been left behind where unemployment and deprivation is rife, and its that fuels the fires that brings out the worst in people.
Generally seen having tear ups on high streets on Friday and Saturday nights up and down the country.
Blame everyone but themselves for being stuck in the doldrums (some rightly so) have a problem with authority, have no respect for anything or anyone as they generally have very little themselves.
They are angry about an awful lot (again quite rightly in some cases) and generally don't need a huge excuse to show there anger in the form of violence.
When England are playing in major tournaments they all come out of the woodwork and mix its like a massive social occasion throw in copious amounts of alcohol and illicit drugs and you have the perfect storm.
Its not a new problem, nor a problem that is uniquely English by any stretch of the imagination, but England does have huge Swathes of post industrial working class areas that have been left behind where unemployment and deprivation is rife, and its that fuels the fires that brings out the worst in people.
Croatia and Serbia are not developed countries? Mate, this ain’t 1640
Video doing the rounds of a guy lying down drinking beer that's poured down the bare ass cracks of 3 fellow 'fans' piled on top of eachotherwhile a huge group cheer and record.
Some of stuff emerging from yesterday is absolutely Mental.
Some of stuff emerging from yesterday is absolutely Mental.
There’s a reason why our matches against Liverpool tend to be played as early in the day as possible. The rivalry is toxic. The rivalry after a day of drinking is a recipe for disaster.
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No excuse for that kind of behaviour.
Every country has this kind of trash but England does seem to have a lot more. Can't remember a country that has/had hooligan issues as often as England.
I feel sorry for the proper supporters that suffered from this loss, but because of this trash, I'm actually happy that England lost. Scum
Every country has this kind of trash but England does seem to have a lot more. Can't remember a country that has/had hooligan issues as often as England.
I feel sorry for the proper supporters that suffered from this loss, but because of this trash, I'm actually happy that England lost. Scum
As we are assured there are only a handful - when they had arrested five they had to stop. The rest of the police were deployed by Priti Patel to scan the channel in case any Italian fans tried to come over in rubber dinghys.
Track the IP + arrest. Simple as that.
They're beating up/pushing the gate crashers back out. Nothing racist here, unless I am missing something.
This lot looked a different breed when compared to your average supporter you see on the weekend.
Exactly why I moved to Canada in 2001. I was watching that World Cup qualifier, Eng v Greece, in a country pub when Becks scored a last minute free kick to get us to Japan / Korea. Should have been scenes of celebration but, England being England, a huge fight broke out instead - bottles, glasses, chairs, knives…we mailed our application to emigrate to .Vancouver that night.
McLaren released a statement about Lando Norris having his watch stolen at Wembley last night. Apparently he was attacked getting in to his car. £40k+ watch.
Yeah was explained to me further down the page.
Captain Messi stops Argentina teammates from singing a song that pokes fun at their Brazilian opponents after the Copa America final victory
Most likely a Richard Mille so way more than £40K, sounds like zero fecks were given in the name of football.
So jibbers are getting a beating from fellow England supporters ? FFS I have seen it all now
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Italian players mocked England. All good though because it doesn’t fit the anti-English narrative.
That racist stuff is absolutely disgusting. My son is mixed race and I dread to think of what he might experience when he gets older. A know a hongkong born friend of mine, who grew up in Derby, was spat on by adults when he was 10 years old. It is impossible to educate these nasty scum, just throw them in jail.
They are already educated, its not like they haven't been to school. They are just cowardly scum who like to bully vulnerable people.
So guys, in all seriousness, what the feck was up with Wembley security? Where were the police? Is nobody asking questions?
Its quite reflective of wider society to be honest. It felt like we had made great strides in eradicating this kind of shit 5-10 years ago but a new generation seem to have picked up the twatty batton. I would imagine many of them are of the booing players taking the knee ilk
So I'm English as well as Canadian, and my admittedly anecdotal experience doesn't entirely fit with the idea that it's fans of the England national side specifically who are the worst.
I've been watching a great many World Cups and Euros in Vancouver at pubs and restaurants since the eighties. At first, no one knew what was going on. A lone cop would be stationed outside a small café because Canadians heard that football (or soccer, as they call it here) fans were violent. I've watched games at the Dover Arms, the Fox and Firkin, the Three Lions Café, and many more, including seeing Italy win the World Cup in '06 on Commercial Drive (Vancouver's Little Italy). At the latter, there were ultras present, all peaceful (and we were with friends who were supporting France). Over the years, with the major football tournaments as backdrop, we've partied with Brazilians, Portuguese, and a whole lot more. It's been overwhelmingly peaceful.
And I'm not naive; I was a regular on the Stretford End in the early eighties.
Anyway, as the years went by, more and more fans congregated in these places across Vancouver, and the authorities got more clued in, so by 2006, they knew to close off blocks and blocks of the Drive. But my real point here is that I've watched England with (mostly expat) England supporters for years, and I never saw any of the behaviours we're discussing here. We were drinking copious amounts of beer and were loud and raucous, and when England inevitably lost, the silence would descend and you'd see a few grown men crying in the streets, but everyone would go home peacefully.
And before anyone says they were Canadians, not really English, you heard all manner of accents: Manc, Scouse, Geordie, Cockney, etc. I'm not saying this to defend the English—there's clearly a huge problem still—but why does it not manifest itself in England fans elsewhere, in other places? Is it the country of England itself, the social issues, the weather (although Vancouver isn't a great deal better in that regard)? What is it? I'm only adding this not in defence of England but to show it doesn't have to be that way when a great number of England fans gather.
I've been watching a great many World Cups and Euros in Vancouver at pubs and restaurants since the eighties. At first, no one knew what was going on. A lone cop would be stationed outside a small café because Canadians heard that football (or soccer, as they call it here) fans were violent. I've watched games at the Dover Arms, the Fox and Firkin, the Three Lions Café, and many more, including seeing Italy win the World Cup in '06 on Commercial Drive (Vancouver's Little Italy). At the latter, there were ultras present, all peaceful (and we were with friends who were supporting France). Over the years, with the major football tournaments as backdrop, we've partied with Brazilians, Portuguese, and a whole lot more. It's been overwhelmingly peaceful.
And I'm not naive; I was a regular on the Stretford End in the early eighties.
Anyway, as the years went by, more and more fans congregated in these places across Vancouver, and the authorities got more clued in, so by 2006, they knew to close off blocks and blocks of the Drive. But my real point here is that I've watched England with (mostly expat) England supporters for years, and I never saw any of the behaviours we're discussing here. We were drinking copious amounts of beer and were loud and raucous, and when England inevitably lost, the silence would descend and you'd see a few grown men crying in the streets, but everyone would go home peacefully.
And before anyone says they were Canadians, not really English, you heard all manner of accents: Manc, Scouse, Geordie, Cockney, etc. I'm not saying this to defend the English—there's clearly a huge problem still—but why does it not manifest itself in England fans elsewhere, in other places? Is it the country of England itself, the social issues, the weather (although Vancouver isn't a great deal better in that regard)? What is it? I'm only adding this not in defence of England but to show it doesn't have to be that way when a great number of England fans gather.
Feck him, Italians know shit about food anyway.
What about the boats...
Not sure about the particulars of your situation but I'm mixed race - ethnically Irish / Korean, though with the added wrinkle of growing up in America apart from sabbaticals in London. Feel free to drop a message - I'm a father as well so very much in tune with your feelings of dread and more than happy to discuss my experience if it might be at all relevant.
Ireland fans love a drink but they don’t riot. Definitely agree alcohol makes things worse but there is a mindset among some England fans that not every fan group has to the same level.
I am from Vancouver to, and once your removed from the UK your pretty much culturally removed.
Football hooliganism is a systemic cultural problem amongst a certain section of the working class over there. It died down because of law enforcement, surveillance cameras and escalating ticket prices, not because football hooligans wanted to stop what they were doing. (I'm sure u know all this)
Thus I'm not surprised to see 50 something guys in the video doing beatdowns, because they were probably immersed in it during the war on the terraces days...sadly it's behavior that was acceptable to them in the prime of their youth.
I'm sure Canadians aren't any nobler, geography has a lot to do with it. In Canada you can't get off a train in 20 minutes and confront a rival hockey firm, You'd have to take a 1 hour flight to Calgary or 2 hour drive down to Seattle.
Despite a huge English fanbase here, most English fans are a few generations removed from the UK, and we don't really get together en mass like the Italian fans with the fireworks and cars covered in flags honking everywhere.
Even if we did, I don't foresee any problems. I knew England was going to lose from watching the game....thus I don't get too bummed because every Euro and World Cup it's always the same for England....hmmm I wonder if I can change my last name to Mancini, or Mueller Har!, I jest of course.
The alcohol argument is such a cop out imo. I just think UK culture is severely broken for a variety of reasons. Too far gone now.
I've seen more security on a 3rd world country local demonstration than in London last night.
You're not even trying to anticipate it, you just let them run rampant without contest. Where are the cops in riot gears?
You know you can't get away with shits like that in Canada, or most of any other nation on earth. You will be prosecuted to the fullest, to be fair because such an occasion would be an extremely rare occurrence. Can you imagine something like a group of football fans beating up a local Canadian and getting away with it? In such a well mannered country, you'd be hunted and prosecuted and being thrown to the darkest cell. Not getting off with a slap on your wrist
Hooligans only dares to show up when it's on home grown, in droves in other countries (because they can get back to UK the next day), when they immigrated to a new country they mostly behave. Guess what, they behave in Russia.
Excuses are many. Excuses can be many. Excuses, excuses .. I hate excuses. People hide behind them. Not my falt, buhu. No football, no life springs to mind. Well, why not get a life and add football to it and have both. Simple minded idiots are everywhere. In Norway they are called dices. Football gives a certain kind of people an outlet for whatever - frustration, etc. First and foremost they ruin for their own kind - always their own kind. They are virus. The ones generals would love to send in as cannon fodder (speaking in metaphores, not dissrespecting the fallen). Henche, stupid, and brainless idiots. Passion my ass. Many of these people are not good at or for anything. They are followers. Frustrated immature brats in all age groups. Ex. They make gestures with their hands calling people wanker etc , but have no idea how to please a REAL woman themselves. They can be entertaining though, therefore they are important for the game.
Mouthwasher Bonucci could really use a captain like that.