Tbf, thirty odd years ago I’d imagine security was a lot more lax at festivals.
England fans, what is wrong with England fans?
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You do wonder if there are a few bosses who saw the footage and pictures and were getting the P45's ready.
We’re not quarreling, but I don’t think you’re across this. These people were probably there with their bosses, swapping bags of gear.
I’m sure there are some that may lose a job. But as a sweeping generalisation, this behaviour will have no impact on the perpetrators.
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Good Twitter thread from a LOI fan who was at the game yesterday.
This tweet nails it. There is definitely something uniquely aggro about a cohort of middle-aged England fans that you just don’t see from other countries.
Yer man is from Sligo. Probably a pal of @moses
My uncle and his friend got into Glastonbury by walking backwards into the exit one year back in the day
The biggest issue is England always saying it’s a minority, but it’s constant and it’s in the low thousands, their travelling fans especially. Any other home nation fans don’t even come close. As for Europe. Every single place that has had an England game, the locals will tell you the same story. You know the same one everyone has seen repeated for decades across news channels…saying the Scots, french, Irish, Swedish are all like this is complete bollocks. It’s a completely different level with our chav element which sure as sh*t ain’t a tiny minority.
The steward I work with said after the game, there were fights between rival English club fans, Millwall, West Ham, Spurs and oddly to me, Portsmouth.
No they didn't. The small majority of those who voted, voted for that shite. Turnout was pretty poor. But the point remains.
It’s takes a special kind to intimidate a family with a young kid there, and to go to A&E and racially abuse the staff isn’t just disgusting, it’s moronic. Why the feck would they find that acceptable, it’s already an incredibly hard job without that shit.
Ive been to a few of the cricket games and loved the crowd, haven’t been in a while but last time was watching them play Australia and the crowd were hilarious,
It was fairly mixed too plenty of Aussies in the same section and a lot of friendly banter and stick. I took my elderly nan as she adores the English team and we had a great time. The English and the Australians were hilarious and good fun.
He’s a legend and I don’t even care about United.
I thought hooliganism was as the subject, in which case the varying degrees of severity cannot be ignored, in which case racism is actually a factor in what makes the difference in severity so stark.
Excellent. A massive two fingers to the vile twats who defaced it and a clear message that they do not represent England fans or English people.
They are not the worst. Its old opinions from the past. The Eastern Europeans have overtaken and possibly the Italians. Serbians, Polish and Russian are the leaders of this shit now and they arrange meet ups in the forest to fight like cavemen. did you forget Russians trained to beat people up in the Euros and were defender by politicians?
Some French are pretty bad including Lyon. Italians went to Liverpool for a game recently and hospitalised an Irish Liverpool fan hitting him with belts.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...acing-charges-attack-Liverpool-supporter.html
In Rome they stab you in the arse. https://news.sky.com/story/spurs-fan-stabbed-in-rome-two-men-jailed-10430016
Italian fans regulalrly make monkey chants at black players as opposed to hiding behind computer screens. They also endorse far right stunts (Di Canio) and get defender by their presidents
Euro 1996 was fine and the Olympics 2012 a roaring success. you are safe brother
England fans rioted in 96
Does it though?
Some random Irish bloke decides that no other country is like this and suddenly that's gospel and unique?
Seems a bit daft and very naive but any such blanket statement is.
Domestically it’s fringe Cnuty elements of many clubs two at a time.
England international matches in any meaningful moment is like Voltron. All the foulest factions unite into an Uber Cnut.
"rioting was the only notable incident that happened during the Euro 1996 championship, which went by mostly peaceful and orderly"
you would of been fine
Honestly, I thought of this too, but I didn't want to come across as self-righteous or something. I mean, what you're saying is that immigrants and refugees tend to be harder-working and more law-abiding than natural-born citizens, and there's plenty of evidence to suggest that's true.
But what puzzles me is that people who leave their own countries aren't generally elites. There are a handful of those, of course, but many migrants are ordinary people fleeing something, desperate for a better life, which puts a dent in the theory that class is behind this. In other words, most of us are working- or lower middle-class, so socioeconomic status can't really be much of a factor in the poor behaviour of England fans. As I mentioned, watching football all across Metro Vancouver, and hell, coaching it too, I heard accents from all over, including the many recognizable dialects and vernaculars that make up the English language. Down to earth people and accents and humble backgrounds, including mine.
The non thuggish England fans need to stop hiding behind reasoning such as not being a real fan etc or this will never get addressed.
At this stage it does represent the England national team fanbase and there's no hiding from that
At this stage it does represent the England national team fanbase and there's no hiding from that
He was dead right about the way ye walk though. Few English lads over here a fortnight ago, acting all high and mighty, big man walk and all going on. Meself and Lads cornered them up though and hammered the absolute living shite out of them with our hurls.
I’d love you to be right but I can’t help but doubt it. May be nostalgia because it’s one of my favourite tournaments from memory but euro 96 seems all around a happier time and atmosphere. Can’t quite compare it to the olympics.
if The World Cup was in England next year there’s no way I’d be decking my kid in our country colours and would be wary doing it myself if I had family with me. It would just be a pointless risk.
It was really easy to get into Glasto back then. You could pay someone a fiver to use their ladder. That's why they put the really big fence up because the capacity was getting close to double what it was supposed to be.
Singling the minority of thugs out and publicly proclaiming that they aren't representative of the England team/England fans, is how normal fans address this.
What the people of Manchester have done to show their solidarity with Rashford in the face of vile racist abuse, is commendable.
I wouldn’t be worried about other events, I’ve gone to watch the cricket in England a few times and loved it (not so much the cricket but the atmosphere). I’m sure a football tournament in England would be ok, but if Wales were to play England in a meaningful game, I’d probably be a little worried about going, certainly wouldn’t take my nan like I do to the cricket or my niece to club football.
I don’t want to label English fans in general, just that little minority who want to fight and spoil it. The English fans are genuinely brilliant when it comes to club football, at least in my experience. They need to get more creative with their sheep shagger chants though
Yeah I agree about the domestic scene, when Swansea got promoted I did an away season and loved it, the usual banter and a bit of fronting but never really felt in danger, even going up with a bus full of drunk lads, at least no more than a usual night out.
I think your meaningful game comment is a salient one that I didn’t really think of, that’s a good point and would probably be the main thing.
Came across this just now and thought I’d share. Some interesting points and discussions, at least for me as a non-English, who don’t have intimate knowledge of the England fan base and history.
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I don't want to tempt fate in case you came and got hurt but I honestly feel you would be ok. There are plenty of games in England that go on without any issue. Obviously if England lose then you are toast. All jokes aside if the Russians were able to chill for their WC I am sure we would have harsher punishments and extra police horses and dogs to deal with the filth. When it comes to World Cups the reputation is at stake. Brazil and SA managed to keep everyone safe and England has better resources.
Its how normal fans like to dress it up but it doesn't mean its true. It undermines the problem and plays it down to a dangerous extent.
Nobody says all England fans are like that but its the go to answer.
I know you’re probably right, and don’t think I’m just going to get attacked out of the blue, it would more be like if we were playing directly against England in high stakes game as mentioned above just to be wary of it. I don’t mean to be making a drama out of it. As I’ve said maybe in this thread or another, I’ve been to hundreds of games in England and Wales with no trouble, and Wembley. Just never international tournament there.
Jail
He's lying. Spurs don't have fans.
OH...MY...GOD (faints)
Apart from the rioting at the end of 96?
Despite the see you next Tuesday's parading their brilliance for England at the weekend, I think football is getting better.
Give it 15 years and they may start having mixed sections like in rugby and cricket
Two steps forward, one back
Give it 15 years and they may start having mixed sections like in rugby and cricket
Two steps forward, one back
The spurs fans isnt a neutral. At least they dont attack people in cafe and elderly like the mighty english
If that's 2 russian supporter in london you tell me they'd get of scratch free?
Again no supporters is flawless, but england have again and again without fail in every football tournament display their thuggery, stupidity, and brutality.
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