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Shoulder holster?
Yeah that's the only one that comes close to making sense but from what I know, aside from me, nobody likes shoulder holsters. It's all inside the waistband stuff these days. Plus, he'd probably have to be left handed to shoot the kid from the driver's side.

The only other possible is the kid is small and was in a car seat in the back and as he's tucking it in behind his back it went off?
 

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Some old articles but useful to provide some context:
Part One: How Common Are Mass Shootings? The Nature and Frequency of Mass Shootings


https://centerforinquiry.org/blog/ho...ass-shootings/



Part Two: The Futility of Race-Naming Mass Shooters


https://centerforinquiry.org/blog/th...mass-shooters/



Part Three: Diversity in Devastation: Media Myths and Mass Shooter Demographics


https://centerforinquiry.org/blog/di...-demographics/
 
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Tennessee Star? :lol:

I remember that shit rag from my time in the south. Started a few years ago by some conservative "family values" man (who of course beat his wife and refused to pay child support). Funded by a bunch of right wing loonies.

Not saying their data is wrong or right but using it as a source when you could have used the FBI statistics is odd.

Anyways, if you look at that list there is a common theme. Almost all of those cities are in Southern states or are historically segregated/impoverished cities. Take Birmingham for example. I lived there for 20 years. There is a reason that city has such a high violence rate. ALL of the wealth in Birmingham, and there is a lot of it, is in the suburbs to the south of the city, separated by a metaphorical wall like mountain ridge. Those suburbs have large police forces to keep "undesirables" out. The downtown area of Birmingham is one of the most impoverished places I have seen.....except for the nicer areas that had some decent housing that have been bought up and gentrified. The poor of the city, are being squeezed into smaller and poorer areas. Jobs in the downtown area plummeted as the US Steel plants to the north of the city closed and the banking industry moved to Charlotte. This has nothing to do with who runs those cities, it has to do with economics.
 

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Tennessee Star? :lol:

I remember that shit rag from my time in the south. Started a few years ago by some conservative "family values" man (who of course beat his wife and refused to pay child support). Funded by a bunch of right wing loonies.

Not saying their data is wrong or right but using it as a source when you could have used the FBI statistics is odd.

Anyways, if you look at that list there is a common theme. Almost all of those cities are in Southern states or are historically segregated/impoverished cities. Take Birmingham for example. I lived there for 20 years. There is a reason that city has such a high violence rate. ALL of the wealth in Birmingham, and there is a lot of it, is in the suburbs to the south of the city, separated by a metaphorical wall like mountain ridge. Those suburbs have large police forces to keep "undesirables" out. The downtown area of Birmingham is one of the most impoverished places I have seen.....except for the nicer areas that had some decent housing that have been bought up and gentrified. The poor of the city, are being squeezed into smaller and poorer areas. Jobs in the downtown area plummeted as the US Steel plants to the north of the city closed and the banking industry moved to Charlotte. This has nothing to do with who runs those cities, it has to do with economics.
Being a devils advocate, to be fair, who runs the city has dome saying on the economic policies ( that of course are conditioned by national and international economic situation).
 

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Being a devils advocate, to be fair, who runs the city has dome saying on the economic policies ( that of course are conditioned by national and international economic situation).
It would be if the people living in and running these cities were the same ones who created the economic issues that led to todays problems.
I am not saying it is a party problem either way, but it is an economic problem, and in Southern states the historical injustices, which led to economic injustice, will create situations in which crime is more prevalent.

Also, if you look at the states with the highest gun violence it is a whose who of republican run states.
Stats of the States - Firearm Mortality (cdc.gov)
 

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It would be if the people living in and running these cities were the same ones who created the economic issues that led to todays problems.
I am not saying it is a party problem either way, but it is an economic problem, and in Southern states the historical injustices, which led to economic injustice, will create situations in which crime is more prevalent.

Also, if you look at the states with the highest gun violence it is a whose who of republican run states.
Stats of the States - Firearm Mortality (cdc.gov)
As I said I was playing devil's advocate and all the crap of the santuary cities or that at the beginning of the pandemic the blue states were the ones suffering because of bad management and when it was the turn of the red state they said nothing, etc...

I agree in what you said, And there are many problems that comes from a long past of injustices, systemic problems that are not solved, global isues, but a portion (maybe small, maybe not that small) of responsability falls on the councils of the cities, whichever colour they are. Or if not, why even bother to have councils
 

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As I said I was playing devil's advocate and all the crap of the santuary cities or that at the beginning of the pandemic the blue states were the ones suffering because of bad management and when it was the turn of the red state they said nothing, etc...

I agree in what you said, And there are many problems that comes from a long past of injustices, systemic problems that are not solved, global isues, but a portion (maybe small, maybe not that small) of responsability falls on the councils of the cities, whichever colour they are. Or if not, why even bother to have councils
I would agree that current leaders do hold some responsibility for the continued issues, but not the majority of the blame. In many cases they have inherited a shitty situation with crumbling infrastructure and tiny budgets.
 

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A gun manufacturer in the USA is selling this real gun which has been made to look like it's a Lego gun.



There is a law preventing manufacturers from making toys that look like real weapons, but there is no law preventing them making real weapons that look like toys. I assume that's because no-one actually thought any gun maker would be so stupid, but they were wrong.

Full story: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57832053
 

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A gun manufacturer in the USA is selling this real gun which has been made to look like it's a Lego gun.



There is a law preventing manufacturers from making toys that look like real weapons, but there is no law preventing them making real weapons that look like toys. I assume that's because no-one actually thought any gun maker would be so stupid, but they were wrong.

Full story: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57832053
Surely LEGO is about to sue them into oblivion?
 

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A gun manufacturer in the USA is selling this real gun which has been made to look like it's a Lego gun.



There is a law preventing manufacturers from making toys that look like real weapons, but there is no law preventing them making real weapons that look like toys. I assume that's because no-one actually thought any gun maker would be so stupid, but they were wrong.

Full story: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57832053
This is so wrong on so many levels. How do you raise children in a place like this ?
 

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This is so wrong on so many levels. How do you raise children in a place like this ?
I beginning to think the best way might be to just figure out a way to keep them in the womb till they are 18. Sucks for the mom, but it might be he only way to get the pro-life crew to stop trying to murder them.
 

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A gun manufacturer in the USA is selling this real gun which has been made to look like it's a Lego gun.



There is a law preventing manufacturers from making toys that look like real weapons, but there is no law preventing them making real weapons that look like toys. I assume that's because no-one actually thought any gun maker would be so stupid, but they were wrong.

Full story: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57832053
What the actual feck is wrong with that country ?!?
 

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A gun manufacturer in the USA is selling this real gun which has been made to look like it's a Lego gun.



There is a law preventing manufacturers from making toys that look like real weapons, but there is no law preventing them making real weapons that look like toys. I assume that's because no-one actually thought any gun maker would be so stupid, but they were wrong.

Full story: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57832053
There’s no helping these cnuts.
 

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I beginning to think the best way might be to just figure out a way to keep them in the womb till they are 18. Sucks for the mom, but it might be he only way to get the pro-life crew to stop trying to murder them.
It's grim. I don't envy parents with younger kids. How do you keep them safe ?
 

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Surely LEGO is about to sue them into oblivion?
Heh. That piece is hilariously awesome but yeah Lego is well within their rights to issue a cease and desist letter and invoke legal proceedings if the company didn't acquiesce to the demand.
 
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I must admit I laughed out loud at that. It would be funny if it were made as a prop for a film or even just as a concept piece. The fact it's not makes me feel like shit for laughing at it.

The fact it will probably, almost definitely be used to kill someone and the design will make it so more attractive to younger kids makes me feel sick to my stomach about it.
 

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Heh. That piece is hilariously awesome but yeah Lego is well within their rights to issue a cease and desist letter and invoke legal proceedings if the company didn't acquiesce to the demand.
The latest is that they are going to withdraw the gun from sale - Lego did indeed object. The Glock manufacturer said they just wanted to show that shooting is fun and for everyone. :rolleyes:
 

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Kids are already being killed over toy guns in the US, it's not going to help if it's impossible to tell the difference.
My understanding is the legal requirement is for toy guns to have a blaze orange muzzle piece, although I'm pretty sure that didn;t help Tamir Rice. :(

The latest is that they are going to withdraw the gun from sale - Lego did indeed object. The Glock manufacturer said they just wanted to show that shooting is fun and for everyone. :rolleyes:
Yeah I saw that in the Beeb article. Rightfully so, it's a clear infringement on Lego's trademark. There have been a few of these pieces over the years like the one below:

 

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Same shit, different day.....

I’m absolutely done with sympathising with Americans about this anymore.

As soon as Sandy Hook happened and people didn’t march and keep marching, protesting, harassing and hounding their reps until the laws changed, they showed that children dying at a rate worse than the entire gun-related deaths in most other countries was not a deal-breaker for them!
 

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I’m absolutely done with sympathising with Americans about this anymore.

As soon as Sandy Hook happened and people didn’t march and keep marching, protesting, harassing and hounding their reps until the laws changed, they showed that children dying at a rate worse than the entire gun-related deaths in most other countries was not a deal-breaker for them!
100% with you on that one. As sad as loss of life always is especially innocent life, I really couldn't give a feck about this kind of violence over there anymore. And many kids have been shot to pieces since the Sandy Hook disgrace too.
 

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Let's be honest, the country treats these things as just numbers now.