The vaccines | vaxxed boosted unvaxxed? New poll

[11101]

Its going around all social media atm especially one girl on instagram, its a handful of people at most

https://www.instagram.com/georgiaroses/

I read about these, there are a handful of people on social media claiming to have had the same. When they've been contacted for further medical investigation they have refused to cooperate or taken all references to it down.

Fact is it could be anything from totally made up, a completely unrelated coincidence, or a very, very rare side effect. If its the latter, it won't be long before regulators say something about it. They haven't hidden away from any other side effects.

There was some talk in the US that it was a known side effect of stress and anxiety related to the vaccine, not the vaccine itself. What was in the needle could have been anything.

 

[Jaxa]

Wife and I both had our 2nd Pfizer jabs six weeks ago, no side effects at all, not even a sore arm.

Glad to hear of it !

 

[golden_blunder]

Probably, but you can see why I'm concerned. I got heart disease in my family. Some BBC presenter died after taking the Oxford vaccine. I'll probably take it eventually, just gonna wait.

I and my brothers have hereditary heart disease,. including a gene that can lead to dilated cardiomyopathy. As you’re probably aware, I’ve had quadruple bypass, aortic valve replaced, ablations and on a lifetime of drugs. We’ve all had our vaccinations with no issues. Get them into you. There’s more risk for you not having them.

 

[golden_blunder]

Not everyone who refuses to vaccinate against Covid is a general "anti-vaxxer". Smallpox has a lethality of 30 %, even higher among small children and babies.

With Covid over 40 % don't even notice that they have it and it mainly kills the 70+. For a healthy 29 year old the chance to die from Covid is less than 1:100,000.

So I have no issues with smallpox vaccinations or Covid vaccinations for the vulnerable but I'm not going to take an experimental vaccine against a 1:100,000 chance for my age group.

Now Biontech/Pfizer say that a 3rd vaccination will be needed and after another 6 - 12 months they'll magically figure out that you'll need a yearly vaccination like against the flu even though this was negated a few months ago.

A 30 year old died on our estate, no underlying conditions. Think on that. You know how he got it?he got his house robbed Christmas Eve. A load of do-gooders from the estate had a constant stream of people going to give them something for the kids Christmas. Very little masks amongst them. Next thing he’s very sick in hospital and died fairly quickly.
Don’t be a statistic

taking a vaccine will help the whole community reach a safe point quicker.

 

[Wibble]

Not everyone who refuses to vaccinate against Covid is a general "anti-vaxxer". Smallpox has a lethality of 30 %, even higher among small children and babies.

There are indeed other explanations. All silly or selfish or both of course.

 

[Wibble]

99.2% of covid deaths in the US in June were unvaccinated

https://healthfeedback.org/claimrev...d1j32ipgW6WukfN-Dt9zGQnIgoGWXpmCDf4sqe11JEKtg

 

[utdalltheway]

99.2% of covid deaths in the US in June were unvaccinated

https://healthfeedback.org/claimrev...d1j32ipgW6WukfN-Dt9zGQnIgoGWXpmCDf4sqe11JEKtg

It’s mean to wish ill on the anti vaxxers so I won’t, but I might read reports like this with a wry smile.

 

[McGrathsipan]

weird thing with me -

One of my BCG scars flared up when I got my vaccines, the same one each time.
The top one. ( Not sure non Irish people get BCG)

 

[Bosws87]

weird thing with me -

One of my BCG scars flared up when I got my vaccines, the same one each time.
The top one. ( Not sure non Irish people get BCG)

UK get it i just never had to have it as i was already immune when they did that tester shot beforehand.

 

[Dumbstar]

I and my brothers have hereditary heart disease,. including a gene that can lead to dilated cardiomyopathy. As you’re probably aware, I’ve had quadruple bypass, aortic valve replaced, ablations and on a lifetime of drugs. We’ve all had our vaccinations with no issues. Get them into you. There’s more risk for you not having them.

Damn! Glad to see you're a strong fellow. Even stronger now that you're vaccinated too.

I'll give a similar example of a 50 year old footy mate who has an abnormally enlarged heart, so pretty delicate, and a pace maker. And obviously all the drugs that go along with heart issues. He had both AZ jabs done and dusted by April.

Thankfully my mate is not an idiot and would like to live a long life while at the same time also not killing others.

 

[decorativeed]

Got my first jab today the phizer riser, ok bar the arm feeling like someone has given it a few punches, as someone who hates needle's I usually look away, didn't even feel it, was wondering did I actually get jabbed for a while, definitely an easier injection than B12s.

That's what my first one was like. I'm needle phobic and I couldn't believe how painless it was, which really helped my ability to cope. To be honest, I had some doubt they'd done anything at all.

I felt the second one though! Even though it was administered by the same nurse, at my request. I think I didn't relax my arm enough maybe.

 

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99.2% of covid deaths in the US in June were unvaccinated

https://healthfeedback.org/claimrev...d1j32ipgW6WukfN-Dt9zGQnIgoGWXpmCDf4sqe11JEKtg

Is it Darwinism in action? Lots of them probably don't believe in Darwin in the first place I imagine.

If someone had written a novel about mass stupidity of this level then critics would say it wasn't believable.

 

[golden_blunder]

Damn! Glad to see you're a strong fellow. Even stronger now that you're vaccinated too.

I'll give a similar example of a 50 year old footy mate who has an abnormally enlarged heart, so pretty delicate, and a pace maker. And obviously all the drugs that go along with heart issues. He had both AZ jabs done and dusted by April.

Thankfully my mate is not an idiot and would like to live a long life while at the same time also not killing others.

Good on your pal. He’s medically vulnerable so I’m sure he would like to meet his mates without having to worry so much. There’s more chance of catching this dumb virus and it’s unpredictable nature than there is of some nasty side effects

as for me and my family, what can you do but get on with it? That’s the cards that have been dealt

 

[decorativeed]

Anyone had luck reducing their second jab to below the 8 week gap in the UK? I keep seeing conflicting info about the walk in clinics.

I did. I explained I had a bad phobia, so was going to sites I felt familiar with, and the one I was at was closing down. The nurse okayed it. She also said exceptions could be made for people with caring responsibilities, if that's of any help.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

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This thread does exactly what it says on the tin. Very long and involved though, be warned.

 

[Dan_F]

I did. I explained I had a bad phobia, so was going to sites I felt familiar with, and the one I was at was closing down. The nurse okayed it. She also said exceptions could be made for people with caring responsibilities, if that's of any help.

Not sure I could use those excuses, I’m a terrible liar.

I have my my second jab on a Monday, which is the start of my annual leave and bang on 8 weeks. It’s selfish I know, but I don’t want to get a bad reaction and not be able to enjoy my time off; added to this I wanted to drive down to Cornwall (4 hours) and see family that week.

 

[Santos J]

Not sure I could use those excuses, I’m a terrible liar.

I have my my second jab on a Monday, which is the start of my annual leave and bang on 8 weeks. It’s selfish I know, but I don’t want to get a bad reaction and not be able to enjoy my time off; added to this I wanted to drive down to Cornwall (4 hours) and see family that week.

Rang one to ask the same about getting mine before the 8 weeks it's booked at and they said while they advise to stick to the 8 week gap if you turn up later in the day and it's not busy they wouldn't turn me away if there was still availability. Not had chance yet and my 2nd is on the 6th August so probably just end up waiting now but I know of others who got theirs early and others who were turned away so seems to just be at the vaccination centre's discretion to a certaint extent. If you've got the time then it could be worth going down an hour or so before they close and just chancing it, could say you can't make the day of your booking anymore and it's not given you any alternative dates without having to cancel.

 

[decorativeed]

Not sure I could use those excuses, I’m a terrible liar.

I have my my second jab on a Monday, which is the start of my annual leave and bang on 8 weeks. It’s selfish I know, but I don’t want to get a bad reaction and not be able to enjoy my time off; added to this I wanted to drive down to Cornwall (4 hours) and see family that week.

If it makes you feel better, I, my wife and my manager all had zero reactions or after effects from ours.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Not sure I could use those excuses, I’m a terrible liar.

I have my my second jab on a Monday, which is the start of my annual leave and bang on 8 weeks. It’s selfish I know, but I don’t want to get a bad reaction and not be able to enjoy my time off; added to this I wanted to drive down to Cornwall (4 hours) and see family that week.

Mine only lasted 24 hours. You'll be alright.

 

[Dan_F]

Mine only lasted 24 hours. You'll be alright.

If it makes you feel better, I, my wife and my manager all had zero reactions or after effects from ours.

Rang one to ask the same about getting mine before the 8 weeks it's booked at and they said while they advise to stick to the 8 week gap if you turn up later in the day and it's not busy they wouldn't turn me away if there was still availability. Not had chance yet and my 2nd is on the 6th August so probably just end up waiting now but I know of others who got theirs early and others who were turned away so seems to just be at the vaccination centre's discretion to a certaint extent. If you've got the time then it could be worth going down an hour or so before they close and just chancing it, could say you can't make the day of your booking anymore and it's not given you any alternative dates without having to cancel.

Ive read a few things about my local one being really strict about it, so I think I’ll just chance it and hope I react the same as the first, which was completely fine.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Ive read a few things about my local one being really strict about it, so I think I’ll just chance it and hope I react the same as the first, which was completely fine.

I had no problems from my first shot (Pfizer) but my second was Moderna and my body reacted quickly to it. Just aches and pains, slight fever and chills, nothing serious but I had a good moan about it

 

[Withnail]

Had my second Pfizer on Sunday morning. Barely even got the sore arm this time. Hopefully my immune system is working away and leaving me out of it.

 

[The holy trinity 68]

taking a vaccine will help the whole community reach a safe point quicker.

You can still catch Covid and can still spread it even if you have had the vaccine. If that one person wants to be at a higher risk to their health, then why does it matter to everyone else?

 

[golden_blunder]

You can still catch Covid and can still spread it even if you have had the vaccine. If that one person wants to be at a higher risk to their health, then why does it matter to everyone else?

But the more people that take the vaccine the less there is for the virus to take hold

the virus can’t walk. People do

 

[jojojo]

You can still catch Covid and can still spread it even if you have had the vaccine. If that one person wants to be at a higher risk to their health, then why does it matter to everyone else?

Because "on average" you're less likely to catch it and "on average" you're less likely to pass it on.

It's the same as if you walk up to the pedestrian crossing on the main road. On average if you press the button and the lights change in your favour and you walk across, it's safer than closing your eyes, shutting your ears, ignoring the traffic and crossing anyway. No guarantees either way of course. But the chances are that you're safer (and so are those in the vehicles approaching and that blind granny who you're helping cross) if the traffic are stopping because of red lights and you walk when you get the go sign.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

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These are good numbers. Over 9 out of every 10 50+ year olds fully vaccinated. Be interesting to see what happens at the hospitals in the weeks ahead because cases are surging, big time.

 

[Wibble]

You can still catch Covid and can still spread it even if you have had the vaccine. If that one person wants to be at a higher risk to their health, then why does it matter to everyone else?

You catch it far far less often and pass it on far less often. It isn't only your health you are risking by not getting vaccinated. It is just being incredibly selfish.

 

[Wibble]

My second AZ gave me less cold/flu like symptoms than the first shot. The first night I had joint pain which made an already strained ankle very painful and I was freezing cold at night. 100% today.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

My second Pfizer gave me less cold/flu like symptoms than the first shot. The first night I had joint pain which made an already strained ankle very painful and I was freezing cold at night. 100% today.

I had to put a long sleeve top and socks on!

You catch it far far less often and pass it on far less often. It isn't only your health you are risking by not getting vaccinated. It is just being incredibly selfish.

And are less likely to be hospitalized or die from it.

 

[Wibble]

I had to put a long sleeve top and socks on!

I made myself a hot water bottle for the first time in many many years.

And are less likely to be hospitalized or die from it.

Yes indeed. 99.2% of covid hospitalisation in the US haven't had any vaccination at all.

 

[mav_9me]

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This thread does exactly what it says on the tin. Very long and involved though, be warned.

This is where I am on the idea of boosters. From her thread.

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So far Pfizer and Moderna have proven effective. I am not sure of the need to check antibodies, when real life clinical data is what matters and what has been excellent so far. I get the idea of boosters for elderly and immunocompromised, just to be safe but even there I don't think there is data that they are not protected as well, afaik.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

This is where I am on the idea of boosters. From her thread.

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So far Pfizer and Moderna have proven effective. I am not sure of the need to check antibodies, when real life clinical data is what matters and what has been excellent so far. I get the idea of boosters for elderly and immunocompromised, just to be safe but even there I don't think there is data that they are not protected as well, afaik.

Yep. That’s where I’m at too. Although she makes a great point that boosters might not be something we do every year forever. It’s possible that three doses is the optimum to give very long term protection. We just don’t know the best dosing regimen yet because these were developed so quickly.

 

[jojojo]

I'm currently due to go to Ireland early August - on a much delayed part business/part leisure trip. I doubt that will happen with my current status (I don't think that's long enough for a fix to emerge even if Ireland does open up) so my partner may have to do it alone.

And so it came to pass... As I suspected, participation in the Novavax clinical trial means that while my NHS Pass now shows me as fully vaccinated for UK domestic events and for foreign travel, reality says something different.

I contacted the Irish Embassy in London this morning and they confirm that they're only accepting the EU approved vaccines. Which means that if I travel I'll need a PCR test and to go into (home) quarantine on arrival.

One thing that some in the UK might find helpful is this list of acceptable vaccines from their email to me:
2 doses of Pfizer-BioNtech Vaccine: BNT162b2 (Comirnaty®) + 7 days

2 doses of Moderna Vaccine: CX-024414 (Moderna®) + 14 days

2 doses of Oxford-AstraZeneca Vaccine: ChAdOx1-SARS-COV-2 (Vaxzevria® or Covishield) + 15 days

1 dose of Johnson & Johnson/Janssen Vaccine: Ad26.COV2-S [recombinant] (Janssen®) + 14 days

Covishield is the India made version of the Oxford/AZ. Good to see that it's been accepted.

@lynchie - I guess this may affect you as well, or have you been able to switch to an approved vaccine?

 

[Cooksen]

What Vaccines have most of you in the UK had?

 

[jojojo]

What Vaccines have most of you in the UK had?

Nationally 20m first doses of Pfizer, 25m first doses of Az. Around 1m first doses of Moderna.

Currently, first doses are more or less entirely Pfizer or Moderna.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

And so it came to pass... As I suspected, participation in the Novavax clinical trial means that while my NHS Pass now shows me as fully vaccinated for UK domestic events and for foreign travel, reality says something different.

I contacted the Irish Embassy in London this morning and they confirm that they're only accepting the EU approved vaccines. Which means that if I travel I'll need a PCR test and to go into (home) quarantine on arrival.

One thing that some in the UK might find helpful is this list of acceptable vaccines from their email to me:
2 doses of Pfizer-BioNtech Vaccine: BNT162b2 (Comirnaty®) + 7 days

2 doses of Moderna Vaccine: CX-024414 (Moderna®) + 14 days

2 doses of Oxford-AstraZeneca Vaccine: ChAdOx1-SARS-COV-2 (Vaxzevria® or Covishield) + 15 days

1 dose of Johnson & Johnson/Janssen Vaccine: Ad26.COV2-S [recombinant] (Janssen®) + 14 days

Covishield is the India made version of the Oxford/AZ. Good to see that it's been accepted.

@lynchie - I guess this may affect you as well, or have you been able to switch to an approved vaccine?

That’s shite. Sorry to hear it.

 

[Jippy]

And so it came to pass... As I suspected, participation in the Novavax clinical trial means that while my NHS Pass now shows me as fully vaccinated for UK domestic events and for foreign travel, reality says something different.

I contacted the Irish Embassy in London this morning and they confirm that they're only accepting the EU approved vaccines. Which means that if I travel I'll need a PCR test and to go into (home) quarantine on arrival.

One thing that some in the UK might find helpful is this list of acceptable vaccines from their email to me:
2 doses of Pfizer-BioNtech Vaccine: BNT162b2 (Comirnaty®) + 7 days

2 doses of Moderna Vaccine: CX-024414 (Moderna®) + 14 days

2 doses of Oxford-AstraZeneca Vaccine: ChAdOx1-SARS-COV-2 (Vaxzevria® or Covishield) + 15 days

1 dose of Johnson & Johnson/Janssen Vaccine: Ad26.COV2-S [recombinant] (Janssen®) + 14 days

Covishield is the India made version of the Oxford/AZ. Good to see that it's been accepted.

@lynchie - I guess this may affect you as well, or have you been able to switch to an approved vaccine?

That really sucks. I take it the quarantine makes it no longer viable as a trip?

 

[Fingeredmouse]

Yeh i know was just pointing someone in the right direction, its human nature to fear things like this when thrown in front of you and ignore the 100million plus people that are completely fine.

And it was appreciated. I was hoping the original poster had some actual data or evidence but it was, as suspected, total bollocks.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

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Feck yeah.

 

[esmufc07]

My second Pfizer gave me less cold/flu like symptoms than the first shot. The first night I had joint pain which made an already strained ankle very painful and I was freezing cold at night. 100% today.

I thought you’d had AZ?