Tweet
— Twitter API (@user) date
The vaccines | vaxxed boosted unvaxxed? New poll
- Thread starter Badunk
- Start date
UK government confirm that the Pfizer vaccine will be made available to 17 year olds who are within three months of their eighteenth birthday. That move effectively offers the vaccine to ones who are on their way to college/uni/work in the autumn.
12-17s with certain risk factors and clinical conditions or who live with immune suppressed people can also get the vaccine.
JCVI are continuing to monitor data (from the US mostly) on the 12-17s, particularly for those receiving dose two. Presumably they're keeping a close on the myocarditis reports.
12-17s with certain risk factors and clinical conditions or who live with immune suppressed people can also get the vaccine.
JCVI are continuing to monitor data (from the US mostly) on the 12-17s, particularly for those receiving dose two. Presumably they're keeping a close on the myocarditis reports.
Good news. I hope this year's crop of new students have a better time than the last lot.
That makes sense in terms of the announcement about needing to be double vaccinated to get into some places like clubs. It means they can get in from their 18th birthday rather than wait 3 months. When they announced it I thought they'd have to do something about that, but then read this.
Woot. Just got my second shot of AZ. Joining that exclusive group of fully vaccinated Australians.
Got my second dose booked for July 27th. Probably Pfizer.
Fortunately the worst of the side effects from my second dose only lasted about 24 hours.
Big Pharma has a lot to answer for 
Had my 2nd Moderna at 3pm yesterday.
Arm slightly tender and sweating profusely last night.
Better now.
Saying that it was two days after the first one where the agony arm kicked in.
Arm slightly tender and sweating profusely last night.
Better now.
Saying that it was two days after the first one where the agony arm kicked in.
Yay! It shouldn't be an exclusive group, but then, Scotty .....
I feel a bit guilty that we all get the vaccine just because of where we live while as always the third world countries get absolutely fecked at the same time.
Yes, in other parts of the world people are desperate to get a vaccine (any vaccine).
You could apply that logic to most things though. I donate monthly to Fairshare, but there’s obviously children far worse off in other countries who would probably benefit more.
But yeah, I do understand what you’re saying. I’m assuming the stuff with the patents would help this? I haven’t followed it that closely.
First trip to the shop today. I was the only one wearing a mask 
Bit annoying because I'm not really protected if nobody else is wearing one.
Bit annoying because I'm not really protected if nobody else is wearing one.Got my first Pfizer on sunday, just a sore arm.
Oxford/AZ is already effectively patent free. Moderna have said they won't enforce any patents on vaccines for pandemic use. The inactivated virus type vaccines didn't require specialised IP - China, India, Cuba, Russia all produce their own versions.
Pfizer have defended their product more, mostly citing the fact that they use specialised raw materials, production equipment and deep freezes. They argue that new factories ramping up (independent of them) could damage their supply chain. Given they've become one of the world's most reliable suppliers, it's not a minor worry - even if it's primarily motivated by their business desires.
The patent thing is great for headlines, but probably irrelevant in terms of production so far. Neither AZ nor Moderna actually ramped up production as fast as they'd promised - because it's a hard thing to do. J&J are still having problems. China, for all the fuss made about soft power and headline emergency deliveries, only started exporting high volumes in May/June.
Novavax have pre-sold more than a billion doses - and licenced factories in a dozen countries. But none of the factories (not even the US one) is actually manufacturing successfully, despite successful phase 3 trials.
What we can do about "next time" and making sure that Africa, South America don't have to wait for the leftovers from Europe and the US is a different matter.
Tweet
— Twitter API (@user) date
Have to say this is a bit of a head melter. More vaccines = more cases.
My own theory is that UK is the delta epicentre. The further away you are, the longer it will take to get a delta surge. And the furthest away countries also happen to have lowest vaccine uptake. Be interesting to revisit this in another couple of months.
That's in the European context though. Where Delta hits an unvaxxed country it's a tough enemy, even though in general the populations are younger. Russia aren't a high vax rate country but they're not in great shape either.
The stronger a country's ties with the UK or the Indian subcontinent - the earlier they got Delta cases, and the more seed cases they got.
Meanwhile, Eastern Europe in particular, mostly didn't get that badly in the March/May 2020 - but they still got hit hard by Alpha at the start of this year. A similar pattern may repeat. Plus, countries like Czech Republic now have lots of people with infection based immunity in top of their vaxxed immunity.
It takes people moving around to create enough seed cases to really take off. Spain got hit as soon as it tried to restart its tourist sector - not just due to UK visitors, Spanish school/college students flocked to the coast and the islands. Great breaches but also perfect super-spreader environments in some of the clubs and in packed hotels targeting the young, free and single.
jesus I am in a heap now.
Hands and Feet freezing, lower legs aching and feel like I am about to projectile vomit!!
Shame that you've had to suffer twice. I got the feeling of projectile vomiting after the second one too. That went after a few hours though.
On the bright side, you've got internal air conditioning of your hands and feet when the weather's is at its hottest.
true
Really? I went to Co op yesterday and everyone was wearing one. I was quite surprised though.First trip to the shop today. I was the only one wearing a mask
Thanks for the info. How long can those countries expect to be waiting for a good supply? Or is that dependant on whether western countries go ahead with boosters etc?
Was only a small Tesco tbf so not packed with people.
I had my 2nd Pfizer yesterday at 8am and have had a bit of a sore arm from about 6 hours after but seems to be subsiding a bit since the 24 hour mark. No other real symptoms except a bit of tiredness which may or may not be related. Did you have yours the other day?
Mine was at one of the walk in centres, looks like they're now all over the country if people aren't aware (I'm sure most are!). Unfortunately my gf was still two days short of 8 weeks since her first dose so got turned away
what a muppet.Tweet
— Twitter API (@user) date
Got my first jab Wednesday last week. Soreness in my arm lasted about two days, nothing else.
From BBC regarding the 60:40
Assuming we can continue using current formulations, and the rich countries start donating, it could be sometime in 2022. There's even a possibility that the risk groups could be done this year - if governments can handle it well enough.
That's based on current stats that suggest about 2b have had at least 1 dose and more than 1b have had a full course. The US, UK, EU are more or less now producing at planned capacity, and that means more doses than they need (even with boosters) - though not always the vaccine mix they want. That's only just happened though. Same appears to be true of China. India, who were going to supply a big chunk of the Covax/GAVI production aren't back to exporting yet - but may get there in Q4.
In other words, production is ramping up and the western producers are close to vaccinating as many people in their own countries as want it. That should mean improved availability in Q3 and a bigger leap again in Q4.
Of course as WHO keep trying to remind people, the vaccines can make a huge difference right now. Waiting until we've all had our double doses, built buffer stocks with a couple of different vaccines as potential boosters, or for vaccinating kids - before exporting in large volume - it will mean leaving it too late for millions.
Had mine on Sunday, was even wondering did I get injected for a while as I felt nothingI had my 2nd Pfizer yesterday at 8am and have had a bit of a sore arm from about 6 hours after but seems to be subsiding a bit since the 24 hour mark. No other real symptoms except a bit of tiredness which may or may not be related. Did you have yours the other day?
Mine was at one of the walk in centres, looks like they're now all over the country if people aren't aware (I'm sure most are!). Unfortunately my gf was still two days short of 8 weeks since her first dose so got turned away
, most of the pain is pretty much gone.Forget “big pharma” or “the government”, those are abstractions. I don’t trust Johnson at all, but then I don’t need to.I trust the expertise of doctors and epidemiologists over my own. I’ve had the vaccine because I don’t trust my immune system in these matters, and I think there’s plenty of evidence that the vaccines are safe - in fact, not just safe but medical miracles. Be practical, get yourself injected, and stop trying to outthink an infectious disease.
Very worrying seeing some of these people that have developed motor issues and lost all ability to walk with constant shaking of the lower body after 2nd Pfizer jab,
Now I am so far from being a person with a tin foil hat and will be getting my 2nd Pfizer jab in 4 weeks as it stands and usually haven't thought twice about it, but i'd be lying if i said I wasn't slightly more nervous after seeing more and more of these symptoms appearing in people,
Am i being too blase about it and should really think about it more ? Anyone else due a 2nd Pfizer jab and concerned at all ? anyone on the caf had any major side effects ?
Now I am so far from being a person with a tin foil hat and will be getting my 2nd Pfizer jab in 4 weeks as it stands and usually haven't thought twice about it, but i'd be lying if i said I wasn't slightly more nervous after seeing more and more of these symptoms appearing in people,
Am i being too blase about it and should really think about it more ? Anyone else due a 2nd Pfizer jab and concerned at all ? anyone on the caf had any major side effects ?
Any source for this? First I've heard of it.
Its going around all social media atm especially one girl on instagram, its a handful of people at most
https://www.instagram.com/georgiaroses/
You are being rational to an irrational person, and you are using big numbers to someone who cannot comprehend numbers.
The intention is nice, but you will just go with him in a never-ending loop that science and trust is the same thing, data and opinion is the same thing and you are a sheep while he is enlightened. The only thing that post deserves is sarcasm and belittling.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
You can go through that to look at data in USA.
I do not know of any cases of motor issues after Pfizer.
It is rare but there are some reports of GBS after J&J. We had one patient, last I saw him he was recovering very well.
I'm sure it's a terrible occurrence but Instagram and other social media sites aren't very reliable sources.
Wife and I both had our 2nd Pfizer jabs six weeks ago, no side effects at all, not even a sore arm.
Yeh i know was just pointing someone in the right direction, its human nature to fear things like this when thrown in front of you and ignore the 100million plus people that are completely fine.
Yeah not being critical of you just highlighting that social media is where shit tends to snowball and what is an isolated and rare occurrence suddenly adds to the credibility of covid deniers, anti-vaxxers etc.
Had my 2nd jab today with a walk-in. Don’t understand why they don’t just shorten the gap between jabs officilly, trying to find a place that did Moderna jabs felt like trying to find a dealer for some good ecstasy.