Technically Ole was the closest (12 points behind) albeit that's still not close at all and it's a bit disingenuous to even bring that up either way given the 2nd closest was Van Gaal's tumescent second season after which we he got sacked, basically we've been nowhere near since Ferguson retired.
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I feel for you employees. So do you fire people who have improved their and their teams performance YOY?
Factually you're correct so I stand corrected but having 81 points means you've had a better season in the league than the 74 points we got last season. Having a better season means we've more chance of winning the league or at least closing the gap. Or not?
This is exactly what I'm saying. A load of people in here are unhappy that he's been renewed because they wanted him to leave next season. If he does a bad job he'll go. If he keeps doing well he'll stay. People are clearly showing their hands in here
New contract or not if he doesn't win a trophy this season he should be sacked.
I'm surprised United gave Ole this new deal. Fergie nearly got sacked by United and was on a 12-month roll-on contract for his United career despite being the best manager in the business. Since Fergie retired, Ole is the longest-serving United manager and has spent the second highest on the squad, yet he is still the only manager without a trophy at OT. I hope he eventually does well at United, he is such a likeable person. But I'm not convinced by his managerial credentials.
I'm not following your logic at all. Being closer to the leader means you've a better chance of winning.
Clearly, if you finish on 75 and the leader finished on 77 then you had a better chance than if you finished on 85 but the leader hit 102.
Besides, that 81 pts was not really sustainable. There's every reason to believe we'll have a better season next year than last year.
I hate the mental gymnastics fans use on how the squad was pre and post a certain manager came in.
I heard it with Ole, I heard it with Mourinho, I heard it with Van Gaal and of course with Moyes. The squad was left in such a bad shape by Fergie, he ahem barely won the 2013 Premier League in March!
8 years of excuses by fans for poor managers. The squad is fine, give this squad to Conte he wins the Premier League, no ifs or buts, no reboots or philosophy or whatever piffle.
No. That's why I find it weird comparing points total across different seasons. The parameters of the season are different across different seasons; different numbers of teams are competitive, there is pandemic-caused tight schedule or not, there was a international tournament in the summer etc etc. So for me, the relative point difference measure is better than the absolute points total.
Well that's my initial argument and we're still discussing it to this very hour. For the record, United has more then ample resources to beat the likes of Villareal, Sevilla and RB Leipzig, so money isn't really the issue here.
How would you describe being constantly knocked out by clubs on a far less budget then we are? Or does financial power only apply when comparing Ole to Pep?
What? Are you suuuuure?
Football isn't played on spreadsheets. You're the one who started the asinine money comparisons, so I'm unsure as to why you're demanding others explain it to you.
So you think we have the best squad in the league? Mate we're comfortably behind City, our first eleven is probably behind Liverpool and it remains to be seen if we can get a better squad than Chelsea when the window closes because last season theirs was better. They were just let down by Lampard. Talk about mental gymnastics saying we'd win with Conte, I was looking for white text
His livelihood depends on two things ie keep the squad happy and winning trophies. For example ask yourself if it does makes sense keeping the likes of Grant and Mata for another year considering that we've already got 4 keepers (Henderson, DDG, Heaton and Bishop) and 8 wingers (Rashford, Sancho, Martial, Lingard, James, Elanga, Pellistri, Shoretire)
Success at top club level is measured by trophies. How many trophies has Ole won as manager exactly? Shouldn't he start delivering at this point?
Aren't we looking to transition both into coaching roles?
So why haven't they retired then? Do we really need more inexperienced coaches? Aren't Ole, Carricky, Mckenniky, Cleggy and Fletchery enough to justify our learning on the job policy? Do we also need to give coaching jobs to Chelsea's legend and a nobody goalkeeper picked out of the streets?
We seem more interesting in keeping mates happy then to rock the boat to success
They barely played, and still agreed to extensions, so one would assume they're happy with the situation. Are you suggesting the other players are unhappy about it?
What's that got to do with anything I wrote? Or what you wrote that I responded to? Nothing is what, so I'll try again: You dragged money into it, so why are you demanding others explain it to you?
I'm just telling you what the rationale is as I've heard it. I don't believe it's for no reason as you seem to be suggesting.
Which kind of show what sort of players we're keeping at the club ie people with no ambition who are there to pick up the final pay cheque. Every game these former players take is one less game for the likes of Elanga and Diallo. But hey, lets keep the mateys happy.
The club is not financially backing Ole's excuse had been used by the Ole FC fan club for the past year. I am interesting to know what will be their next excuse now that Manchester United seem to financially back Ole. Would they finally accept that its time for him to deliver? From what I read, that seems unlikely.
My logic is Mous best (81 points) is still better than Oles best (74 points) even though Ole inherited the exact same squad and has spent over 300m+ on it. Like I said in a previous post I do like the squad Ole has put together but I don't think he's good enough to compete with the Klopps and the Peps over the course of a long season and with Tuchel it's debatable. Yes we finished ahead of Klopp last season but Klopp is too good a manager to not come out swinging this season and his CV backs him up. With Ole if I remember correctly he's finished on 66, 66 and 74 points since his time with us while we can see improvement is being made it's hardly enough to mount a serious title challenge anytime soon.
I think you are arguing for the sake of it. The progress has been obvious. It has also been recognised by the club, the players and the majority of supporters.
Let me ask you that, who would you have replace Ole, why and what would you expect to change?
And when it comes to actually relevant team progression metrics, like league finishes, we have done better than all 3 of the teams you mention.
We were talking about the comparison between United and Liverpool pre Ole and Klopp and which one were in worse shape.
Since you knew that you were proven wrong and just don't want to admit it, you're simply now trying to shift the discussion from this to talk about progress under Ole.
So yeah, this post literally proves that you were the one arguing for the sake of it.
Just admit that your point about Liverpool pre Klopp was wrong and move on.
That wasn't the point made and now you're comparing points totals across wildly different seasons which I'm not interested in.
Mourinho's 81pts wasn't anywhere near a title challenge and I reckon it was unsustainable in any case. Comparisons with Mourinho are also kind of moot in my opinion. He failed and 17/18 was his high water mark with that squad. He even said so himself, if he can ever be believed.
And yet we both know we weren’t close at all. We saw more of a title race last season than Mourinho ever managed.
Just glad the inevitable loss after signing a new contract came in the pre season
What do Grant and Mata have to do with the first part? I'm just simply ridiculing you for thinking Ole doesn't demand success from his players when he himself said last season wasn't successful. He wants to win and is tough on the players behind the scenes.
Carrick and Fletcher are the only inexperienced coaches there if you go by the length of time they've been involved in it. Everyone else on the football side of things has been involved in coaching/backroom stuff for at least 5 years.
Are you looking for internet brownie points?
We were talking about the comparison between United and Liverpool pre Ole and Klopp and which one were in worse shape.
Since you knew that you were proven wrong and just don't want to admit it, you're simply now trying to shift the discussion from this to talk about progress under Ole.
So yeah, this post literally proves that you were the one arguing for the sake of it.
Just admit that your point about Liverpool pre Klopp was wrong and move on.
I was pointing to the parallels between Klopp's early years at Liverpool and Ole's with us. Since you can't see how a manager needs time to build their team (which Ole's progress has proven to be a successfully executed process), I can't help you.
Go and shout on twitter, other threads on the Caf, and even on the streets. Thankfully the world and the club decision makers don't care what a bunch of bitter fanboys think.
Grant's not playing any games, he's helping coach the GKs while he's taking his coaching badges. Dunno what Mata's role is, but he barely played last season. One would assume the idea is for him to play even less this time around. Anyway, how about waiting for the things you're getting angry about to happen, before, you know, getting angry about them?
Really? I've seen people say that the club failed him last "summer", even among his detractors, and I think that's entirely fair. I don't think I've seen many suggest that he hasn't been backed at all, or that the expectations aren't higher this season. Then again, your relationship with facts is tenuous at best.
I've got no agenda in ridiculing anyone as I respect people with differing ideas but there you go. I am not suggesting that Ole doesn't demand success. However I do question his ability of taking us to it. I think that's a fair argument considering that this guy had never won any major trophies as a manager and seem struggling to take the tough decision. Anyway my initial argument was that now that the club had financially backed him then he really has no excuse not to deliver. I am surprised that I am still discussing an argument that for me seems quite straight forward.
Huh? FFS.
Grant played with QPR and I am sure that Mata will feature next season. The argument is why we're keeping them in the first place. Don't we have another players in that position? Do we need more inexperienced coaches who are doing on the job training?
I criticised the club for not financially backing Ole myself although I do believe that he could managed things better especially in terms of semis/finals and around VDB. Having said that if we do sign Varane then that excuse goes out of the window. Ole must deliver.
I am pretty sure that he tells the lads to win and there's no doubt that he wants to win a trophy. There's no manager in football who wouldn't want that. Whether he's ready to take tough decisions especially those who would impact his mateys is a different argument altogether. Keeping the likes of Mata, Grant and Matic around makes zero sense.
Which mates is he having a tough decision over?
Typical response from someone who can't admit he's wrong when he clearly is so just writes bunch of nonsense and consider this a good reply.
Pert has only worked with small clubs like Cardiff, Bahrain, Vancouver, FC Baniyas, Coventry. We picked Mawson from Burnley's U18 and Ramsay was with Chelsea's U23 prior joining us. There's not much top club experience in there.
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