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Ole signs new contract
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And? Does that make them worse at their job?
Why? This year was a big test for him. No reason to renew at this point in time imo.
Why are they wildly different seasons? It's not a stretch to compare a manager with the previous one to see if we're improving enough to be in the running for the biggest titles. I never wanted Mourinho in the first place but it is ironic that many on here think he was a complete failure in comparison to what Ole is doing now even though we're still waiting for his first title. Are we going down the right path now? Yes I do believe we are but until Ole wins that first title then unfortunately he's fair game for them comparisons to continue.
Because what players want to sign for a club when they don't know who the manager will be next season? It's not like the club can't just sack him in June if he fails to get top 4. Don't understand why this is such a big deal
I never said he was a complete failure. He didn't come near a title challenge and then burnt the gaff down, hence I said he failed.
Comparisons across different seasons aren't easy, hence you came a cropper as although last year wasn't a title challenge it was closer than Mourinho's. Gap to top is probably a better comparison than absolute points total but it's pretty meaningless as neither was a challenge.
Mourinho failed and Ole may well do. Let's see how this season goes.
Which also included the Sancho deal. Other clubs haven't finished or even started their spending this summer. City are close to spending £100m plus for Kane or Grealish, £200m plus if they get both.
Wait, are you seriously suggesting Solskjaer is wobbling because he didn't want to let Mata and Grant go? I was just dumbfounded and expected a serious response. Never mind.
I don't think Sancho and (potentially) Varane signs for United because they see Ole as the manager. Most likely he actually put a doubt in world class players to join in. Most players sign for clubs, especially in big clubs, won't know who their managers will be one season after they sign.
It's not hard to understand why some against this. Because when you sack manager with some years to go in contract, the Club is wasting money. I mean, we have had previous examples in Moyes and Mourinho not that long ago.
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Ok pal.
We've been knocked out by the following teams:
Man City
Chelsea
Sevilla
Man City
PSG/RBL
Leicester
Villareal
Thats 4 teams who spend more or equal amounts as us. One team where we were way too unlucky. And 2 sides whose recruitment structure has been bang on the money for the last 5-6 years.
And how about I change this argument to look at say Klopp's record in knockout competitions? Care to explain that? Or literally any manager in the world bar Pep in the last 5 years
Both of those managers were sacked when they failed to achieve top 4, without hesitation I may add. It would cost about £8m to sack Solskjaer today, the club can easily afford that. It's spending £50m on players like VDB people should worry about, or paying Martial £250k a week.
Maybe they have asked Shaw, Rash, Pogba who have talked warmly about Ole, his ambitions and the atmosphere he creates at the club?
Besides I assume it’s more satisfying to join a club with an upside; be part of a travel instead of joining players who have won everything already.
- Maybe. But usually money is the main factor, not the manager.
- Most world class players want to join another successful clubs, if everything is equal (wages, etc.). Varane would most likely stay at Madrid, if Madrid could match his wage demand, and Madrid also still successful club.
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half of those clubs work with a far smaller budget to ours.
All I said is that if Manchester United bring Varane after we also spent big on Sancho then there's no room for excuses. Ole must deliver.
Like I said, the issue with that argument is that any manager can be made to look like shit
Klopp - lost to Atletico in CL, Wolves x 2, WHU, WBA in FA Cup, Southampton, Villa, Aston Villa, Arsenal in LC, Sevilla in EL. That's more than 50% of their exits as they've been eliminated to similar budget teams on 6 occasions. That's a worse ratio than us.
Not saying that Klopp is a worse manager than Ole (before you take this conversation on that tangent), but this is just one of the many ridiculous inferences you'll arrive at when you look at the teams most big teams lose to in cup competitions.
Hopefully Ole is fully backed this summer, then there are no excuses. Since he joined, we have spent nearly 400m on players, i expect a good season with a trophy and hopefully a formation change. Ole is not my preferred manager, but I fully back him to bring it home to Manchester.
Heard Kane is 160m
I am torn on Ole and really don't want to be defending him here but the fact of the matter is that Ole inherited an old and bloated side, full of mediocre former glory players. The club's inability to move players on for a decent fee and incapability to sign players before the add their their value and collect their Utd tax is hardly his fault. Liverpool, Chelsea and others have no problems getting decent fees for their players and stepping in to get a good deal when needed. The net spend isn't really all that to be fair. Under Ole we have seen the squad getting younger and at least on its day it's exciting. I at least am a bit fond of this team.
So we will only have the highest net spend trophy for a few weeks?
Just be honest, likely he would have bought Maguire, AWB, Varane, Bruno, Sancho for the first team in the space of what? 3 years? Whilst the likes of De Gea, Shaw, Rashford, Martial, Mata, Pogba, Matix were already on the club, on huge wages (some extended under his tenure because they are clearly expensive / valuable) players. Ole is one of the most backed managers out there and he has almost nothing to show for it. Let's call a spade a spade sometimes, this is excluding Donny, Cavani, Henderson etc. Is it that he has to be buy an entire first 11 with minimum players that all cost a minimum of 50 million Euro's?
I do agree with what you're saying. I don't believe Mou was a success and Ole is a breath of fresh air for the club compared to him but until serious challenges start to come in I still have have more than a few doubts whether Ole is the one to take us forward. If he's not then he's definitely going to leave the club in a lot better condition than he found it. Time is running out for him though (for me) This is a massive season for him. I don't expect him to win the league or even mount a serious challenge because over the course of a season Pep is superior to him but going into his 3rd full season I would expect him to finish ahead of Liverpool or very close to because their squad really isn't anything special and definitely ahead of Chelsea with Tuchel inheriting a squad that's not his own and will be finding his feet in his first full season in the PL.
So, if at the end of the season we finish second or a very close third behind liverpool, reach the quarter finals in the CL and win one of the domestic cups then for me it will have been a successful season and I can finally put my full faith behind Ole. Something I might add I haven't come close to having since his tenure started but I would very much welcome the change.
there is nothing wrong with defending him. He isn't some horrible criminal
I agree with some of this. the squad only had 6 players 30 and over (Mata, Grant, Young, Valencia, Romero, Mata, Fellaini) barely any of them were regular 1st teamers. It was actually a decently aged squad and not as bad as one thinks. Last season and most of 2020 our starting team at times featured mostly players Ole inherited over those he signed. Only Maguire, Bruno, Wan Bissaka had successfully claimed a first team place until Cavani towards the end. This is in spite of Ole signing 9 players over 2 seasons.
I agree we are the worst at selling players but also what's the use in selling if you cannot reinvest all the funds? When I see teams with low net spend then to me they haven't been given all the resources to enhance the squad as they are simply swapping. You should have a budget, say 150m and then be able to reinvest all the funds you raise to truly enhance the squad rather than simply swap assets.
All I am trying to say it is it is funny when people saying he hasn't been backed.
This is my main query. I am not attacking Ole btw, just the concept he hasn't been backed and the expectations based on this
It is completely laughable, that notion exists only on here.
3 year deal for only 8 m? hmm..
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/breaking-solskjaer-man-utd-contract-24607841
25m, although it's Mirror.
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Oc this isn't logically true though. A bad system won't work no matter how good the players.
Would you say Ole designs/implements the system?
Does it? I've seen people say the club failed to back him last summer, but I haven't seen anyone suggest he hasn't been backed at all.
What's laughable is the way some of you act as if it's a common complaint.
I agree. Never said he wasn't backed but the numbers don't tell the whole story. Why have Utd bought 4 off the most expensive players in the PL? Is it because they are the best players in the world or because we have been desperate and teams added the Utd tax?
Thought the EL final vs Villarreal showed that we are absolutely miles away from having a good squad and that isn't in Ole, this club has been miss managed since SAF retired and money been thrown about without any structure or a plan.
Hopefully the board backs him, so we can match City, Liverpool and Chelsea.
Such a weird 2nd paragraph. Almost everyone agrees Ole made a total balls up of the EL final. We have a miles better squad than Villareal for feck sake.
We should have won that game yes but the options on the bench were appalling to be fair, that isn't on Ole at all.
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Very strange decision. I like him as a representative of this club, but as a manager, tactically he's fallen short every single time. I don't think it can be improved. His ceiling isn't that of an elite manager.
How is judging a manager by the time he was actually managing, playing with stats? That's just being fair. Lampard's point accumulation has nothing to do with him. When he started actually managing the squad, he out-performed Ole.
Also your example is not the same at all - you're presenting hypotheticals, I'm just presenting a fact - when Tuchel actually started handling the squad - he had a better points accumulation than Ole, as well as outperforming in the cups - making a final and winning the fecking CL against the best team in Europe.
Last season was a failure imo. He had been manager for 2 years, we had spent more money than any other club in the past few years and despite our competitors having poor starts by their standards we could not take advantage. We were knocked out of the CL as we lost to a team that finished 12th in the Turkish league. We were then the clear favourites in the Europa League, by far the strongest team in that competition going into the final, we went a 120 minutes barely registering a shot on target in the final. If you consider that a successful season, then all power to you. It's not that we were 'one PK away from a trophy', we had 120 minutes, it shouldn't have even got to that stage. It can happen in football, but that's besides the point when considering the success of a season.
Finally - I don't think we were 'competitive' at all last season. We were ahead whilst the other team's found their feet, but once City got rolling and Chelsea sacked Lampard, we were overtaken.
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Keep seeing this get posted: 'his ceiling isn't that of an elite manager' or 'he will never be an elite manager' or something big similar Ilk.
Remind me how one becomes an elite manager'?
Does anyone become an elite manager without getting an opportunity?
Remind me how one becomes an elite manager'?
Does anyone become an elite manager without getting an opportunity?
They were much better than the options on the other teams bench. It's a crazy excuse to make.
Well him or his staff and players
He has been a manager as long a time as Pep. If by now, he doesn't have the ability to implement a progressive style which can bring trophies, when will he learn to?
To put it into perspective - he's won 3 trophies in the over 11 years, the last of which came in 12/13. When you consider the level of competition he was competing in for the majority of his career - and his only exploit outside of that poor league led to being sacked, what exactly gives you hope that he is an elite manager?
Don't get me wrong - purely as a man manager, I think he's World class, but most top flight managers are head coaches too now - in that regard, I don't think he's nearly good enough. That being said, with the right coaches around him delegating responsibility, I think it could work, but that's obviously down to him and the board to be able to identify.
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