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this had me rolling laughter:


feck’s sake :lol:
He's Harry Kane....a player who has consistently produced 30 plus goals a season for the last 5 or 6 seasons; genuinely world class. Deserves to be paid more and perform for a team genuinely seeking his best interest. This is why players let their contracts run down. Teams like Spurs can't be trusted to keep their promises.
 

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Bit premature considering most of the England lads aren't back yet anyways no? I reckon come the opening couple games he will be playing for spurs and It'll all be back to normal anyways. Has to kick up a bigger fuss if he really wants the move.
 

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I’ve always thought that this was one of the most classless thing that any player can do, regardless of the player. It’s a disgusting tactic to try and force through a transfer but also over the past 15 or so years it has also been the one area where you see the biggest disparity in how the media and pundits portray the players that do it.

Eg I can imagine that most football journalist and pundits won’t be attacking Kane as unprofessional and disrespectful for doing this, yet if it was Pogba you can bet the narrative would be very different and very negative. Even if we go for a player to whom most pundits are personality neutral towards eg DDG neither viewed as a good or bad personality by the pundits, if he pulled something like this off 4 or so years ago the media and pundits would quickly turn on him.
As always... Players are not important. Clubs are. I have always stated that clubs need to go hard with this kind of things. You don't want to play? No problem, train with U21 or younger, suspend him from senior football and stop paying his wages for a whole year. Clubs need to put this spoilt behaviour where it belongs.

I know clubs will lose money for not selling, but they will gain so much more.
 

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People are absolutely mental if they don’t rate Kane. He also quite clearly isn’t on the decline after a bear record breaking season just gone. A striker like that is worth his weight in gold. Honest opinion, I think Kane has always had a significant group of detractors his whole career and it’s because he’s a boring, English fella with a lisp and he’s not the most aesthetically pleasing player to play the game. It’s basically the opposite reason to why Hazard got so overrated, because he was a pretty player with lovely dribbling.

Since he broke though Kane has always had people saying “well what is he actually good at?” and “Lukaku brings just as much” which is obviously pure nonsense. The injuries are a minor concern but he’s never missed that much football, I certainly feel he’s fit more often that Aguero was most seasons. Would be an unbelievable piece of business for city whatever the cost. Unfortunately I think he will be a grand investment for the next 5/6 years.
 

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It happens to all sorts of players, Bale has a proper agent and he was still stuck in a bad situation with Madrid. It's more about context than anything else, some situations will be complicated no matter what, Tottenham is one of them, they are not a selling club, in the sense that they do not have a strategy of developing or maintaining their current position based on sells. And they are not at the top of the food chain either which means that their players eventually look up and want to move, you just need to look at the moves for all their top players in the last decade it has always been difficult from Berbatov to now Kane.
This is what players fail to realise. Tottenham are not a selling club like Dortmund. The have no strategy to maximise value for a sale. However, they aren't a big club so players will always look at them as a stepping stone. The two positions are contradictory. The only remedy is for a player to orchestrate his own strategy by means of negotiating something concrete into his contract.
 

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Not saying I agree with Kane but let's look at it from the players pov.
You've already signed the contract, that's water under the bridge. The buying club will not pay what is in fact a ridiculous amount, you're 28 and running out of time, this is your only chance but the selling club refuses to negotiate or insists outright that they will not sell you.
What would you do in this situation?
 

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It happens to all sorts of players, Bale has a proper agent and he was still stuck in a bad situation with Madrid. It's more about context than anything else, some situations will be complicated no matter what, Tottenham is one of them, they are not a selling club, in the sense that they do not have a strategy of developing or maintaining their current position based on sells. And they are not at the top of the food chain either which means that their players eventually look up and want to move, you just need to look at the moves for all their top players in the last decade it has always been difficult from Berbatov to now Kane.
I know hindsights 20/20 and all that but I don't think you can compare a player on absolute fortune at an elite club like Real to Kane's situation at Tottenham.

Bale's earning half a mil a week while playing golf and racking up La Liga and Champion's League titles.

I don't think anyone would have advised against signing that deal, whereas Kane's 6 year deal always looked a bit short-sighted.
 

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Not saying I agree with Kane but let's look at it from the players pov.
You've already signed the contract, that's water under the bridge. The buying club will not pay what is in fact a ridiculous amount, you're 28 and running out of time, this is your only chance but the selling club refuses to negotiate or insists outright that they will not sell you.
What would you do in this situation?
Hand in a transfer request? Is that the right answer?
 

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I don't think you can compare a player on absolute fortune at an elite club like Real to Kane's situation at Tottenham. Bale's earning half a mil a week while playing golf and racking up La Liga and Champion's League titles. I don't think anyone would have advised against signing that deal, whereas Kane's 6 year deal always looked a bit short-sighted.
I don't follow your point, by all account Bale was willing to leave at some point but Madrid priced him out of a transfer that would suit the player and it's not as if he was happy with his situation. Kane is allegedly in a similar situation, he wants to move and Tottenham aren't willing to accept a fee that would attract buyers.
 

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Hand in a transfer request? Is that the right answer?
How often does this work? Again, I am not saying there's a right or wrong way, just looking for perspectives. I would assume a player has handed in a request before going on strike.
 

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Not saying I agree with Kane but let's look at it from the players pov.
You've already signed the contract, that's water under the bridge. The buying club will not pay what is in fact a ridiculous amount, you're 28 and running out of time, this is your only chance but the selling club refuses to negotiate or insists outright that they will not sell you.
What would you do in this situation?
He signed a contract and he need to honour it until club and he is in agreement. He was so happy signing a new contract and getting more money but didn't understand that it could affect his future.

His behaviour is just like spoilt child.
 

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Not saying I agree with Kane but let's look at it from the players pov.
You've already signed the contract, that's water under the bridge. The buying club will not pay what is in fact a ridiculous amount, you're 28 and running out of time, this is your only chance but the selling club refuses to negotiate or insists outright that they will not sell you.
What would you do in this situation?
Well, if I ever intended on winning trophies, I wouldn't have signed the contract in the first place. Everyone knows Tottenham ain't winning anything, and it was the same when he signed his contract. Kane has to live with that decision, get his head out of his behind, and be professional to the club that he chose to play for.
 

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How often does this work? Again, I am not saying there's a right or wrong way, just looking for perspectives. I would assume a player has handed in a request before going on strike.
I dunno if he has went on strike but he's clearly not happy as the silence is deafening. We will find out more this week I am sure, the season is less than a fortnight away which is hard to believe.
 

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Tottenham aren't willing to accept a fee that would attract buyers.
Isn't this all relative? Coutinho went for 160M euros. Hazard went for 100M rising to 140M or something of that sort.
Spurs cannot be expected to accept a 80M kind of offer for Kane. Defenders are sold for those amounts nowadays.
So the offer has to be super high and close to the transfer record in PL.
 

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Isn't this all relative? Coutinho went for 160M euros. Hazard went for 100M rising to 140M or something of that sort.
Spurs cannot be expected top accept a 80M kind of offer for Kane. It has to be super high and close to the transfer record in PL.
I don't follow the question of course it's relative and that's the issue. If the story is correct, what Tottenham deems reasonable isn't what Kane or other clubs think.
 
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As always... Players are not important. Clubs are. I have always stated that clubs need to go hard with this kind of things. You don't want to play? No problem, train with U21 or younger, suspend him from senior football and stop paying his wages for a whole year. Clubs need to put this spoilt behaviour where it belongs.

I know clubs will lose money for not selling, but they will gain so much more.
Exactly. Professionalism from both sides is always needed when a player wants to leave. I remember when Ronaldo wanted to go to Real and he and SAF obviously had a “stay one more season agreement” can imagine the negative reaction and outrage from the media & pundits if Ronaldo did what Kane did.
 

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Isn't this all relative? Coutinho went for 160M euros. Hazard went for 100M rising to 140M or something of that sort.
Spurs cannot be expected to accept a 80M kind of offer for Kane. It has to be super high and close to the transfer record in PL.
Both of those were pre-Covid and famously moronic buys by Spanish clubs splashing money around like it didn't matter.

I would love to sell my house for twice what it is worth but just because some idiot across town once bought a house for far too much doesn't mean I can expect to get the same.

Kane is 28-years-old and has a lengthy injury history. He really is worth maybe £100-120m tops in a Covid impacted market. If Levy is truly holding out for £160m and refusing to give him the move unless that unrealistic number is reached (that remains to be seen in my view, it may be just posturing), then I can see why Kane is pissed.
 

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But has anyone actually bid for him? Sure there were rumours about City putting in a cash + players, but compared to Grealish there’s no consensus with Kane.

if Spurs have refused a bid of like 100m for him, and that’s what Levy had agreed they’d sell him for then okay, he’s within his rights. But if there’s been no bids, and he just wants to drive the asking price down so there is then he’s running a big risk with the fans.
 

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I don't follow your point, by all account Bale was willing to leave at some point but Madrid priced him out of a transfer that would suit the player and it's not as if he was happy with his situation. Kane is allegedly in a similar situation, he wants to move and Tottenham aren't willing to accept a fee that would attract buyers.

I didn't really know what you meant by the Bale reference to be honest. I kind of see the relevance now you've clarified.

However, my thoughts are that it was a bad idea to sign up for 6 years as he was coming into his peak years and to believe Levy about this gentlemen's agreement. I also don't think Kane's doing himself any favours using his brother as his agent when negotiating with the likes of Levy. By all accounts he's not even an agent in general, in that he doesn't have other clients apart from Kane.
 

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He's Harry Kane....a player who has consistently produced 30 plus goals a season for the last 5 or 6 seasons; genuinely world class. Deserves to be paid more and perform for a team genuinely seeking his best interest. This is why players let their contracts run down. Teams like Spurs can't be trusted to keep their promises.
So as long as you are a good player and perform well, you are allowed to disrespect your club and act unprofessional, but no one else can behave that way?
 

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Exactly. Professionalism from both sides is always needed when a player wants to leave. I remember when Ronaldo wanted to go to Real and he and SAF obviously had a “stay one more season agreement” can imagine the negative reaction and outrage from the media & pundits if Ronaldo did what Kane did.
One big difference there of course Ferguson honoured his agreement. If we hadn't Ronaldo would have gone mental.
 
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But has anyone actually bid for him? Sure there were rumours about City putting in a cash + players, but compared to Grealish there’s no consensus with Kane.

if Spurs have refused a bid of like 100m for him, and that’s what Levy had agreed they’d sell him for then okay, he’s within his rights. But if there’s been no bids, and he just wants to drive the asking price down so there is then he’s running a big risk with the fans.
I don’t think there has been. Some journo would have leaked it, or even people from his own camp to try and justify what he’s done.

IMO there’s been no bids. He’s doing what he can to try and get Spurs to lower whatever the asking price is and see if there are any takers at the new price.

I think at about £80m-£100m you might start getting the likes of Chelsea, Juve and Bayern interested but for Juve and Bayern only if they can exchange one or two players to bring the cash price down. City i genuinely don’t think are that interested as he’s not Pep type of player,
 
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One big difference there of course Ferguson honoured his agreement. If we hadn't Ronaldo would have gone mental.
Another thing… there was team who had made him their number 1 target and that was the team he wanted to join, and a deal £80m was already agreed. Don’t think that’s the case with Kane.
 

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As always... Players are not important. Clubs are. I have always stated that clubs need to go hard with this kind of things. You don't want to play? No problem, train with U21 or younger, suspend him from senior football and stop paying his wages for a whole year. Clubs need to put this spoilt behaviour where it belongs.

I know clubs will lose money for not selling, but they will gain so much more.
No they won't, this is the old trend. The new trend is player power, across sports, and that's just the way it's going to be because clubs are irrelevant without the players that made them in the first place. No player is going to want to join a club that puts their star player in the U-21 or suspend them for refusing to renew a contract, good luck with that. They will lose money and so much more than that.
 

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Yes, I watched him play a lot last season. He played extremely well. That's how he got the most goals and most assists in the league. It didn't happen by accident, he's quite clearly a better footballer now is some key areas than he was a few seasons ago, where creating that many goals would have been beyond him.

As for his injury record, he played 49 games last season. Third most games of any season of his career and the most of the last five seasons. Not exactly bed-ridden.
His injury record ?

He has missed 32 league matches over the last 7 seasons. He played 49 matches in total last season. His injury record is excellent for a striker.
He's got a recurring ankle problem and he also did his hamstring a couple of years ago. I'm not saying he will miss lots of games, but the injuries he's had have taken something away from the player he was.

See his record of open play goals vs the top half of the table. Btw the injuries started to increase in frequency in 18/19:

14/15: 8
15/16: 10
16/17: 12
17:18: 11
18/19: 6
19/20: 5
20/21: 4

It's a pretty clear trend.
 

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Not saying I agree with Kane but let's look at it from the players pov.
You've already signed the contract, that's water under the bridge. The buying club will not pay what is in fact a ridiculous amount, you're 28 and running out of time, this is your only chance but the selling club refuses to negotiate or insists outright that they will not sell you.
What would you do in this situation?
Only it's not water under the bridge. The sanctity of a mutual agreement (as stipulated by a lawful contract) is as fundamental to a civil society as "thou shall not steal". So if I was a professional footballer under contract, I'd hopefully respect that contract and the fact that I signed it, rather than making myself into the same sort of person who'd happily steal purses from old ladies, or sell empty iPhone boxes to kids on eBay.
 
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Exactly, it would all have to do with Pogba’s race and nationality and nothing to do with the fact that he’s been a disrespectful twat towards the club since day one :houllier:
The two are not mutually exclusive you know
 

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Exactly. Professionalism from both sides is always needed when a player wants to leave. I remember when Ronaldo wanted to go to Real and he and SAF obviously had a “stay one more season agreement” can imagine the negative reaction and outrage from the media & pundits if Ronaldo did what Kane did.
Professionalism from both side. 100%. In the end it is club that decides the future of a player if a player is under contract.

No they won't, this is the old trend. The new trend is player power, across sports, and that's just the way it's going to be because clubs are irrelevant without the players that made them in the first place. No player is going to want to join a club that puts their star player in the U-21 or suspend them for refusing to renew a contract, good luck with that. They will lose money and so much more than that.
Player power have gone so long that it is becoming a big problem. That is why we need clubs to make statements with suspensions and penalties.

There is one thing with not signing a contract. There is another thing when you refuse to play or something like that just because you can't get what you want. Just suspend him. Tottenham will survive and they will attract good players. Will Harry Kane change his mind until his contract runs out in 2024 if Tottenham says you are suspended until you appologise to every person in that club and start behaving like a football player?
 

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Only it's not water under the bridge. The sanctity of a mutual agreement (as stipulated by a lawful contract) is as fundamental to a civil society as "thou shall not steal". So if I was a professional footballer under contract, I'd hopefully respect that contract and the fact that I signed it, rather than making myself into the same sort of person who'd happily steal purses from old ladies, or sell empty iPhone boxes to kids on eBay.
Are you comparing what Kane's doing to fraud and theft? Because if so, it's a bit silly.
 

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Not really worried about City signing Kane, he'll do less running from deep and probably will score a lot of goals in their setup but he's going to get injured, the goals are going to start to dry up at some point. He'll cost an absolute fortune meaning they'll have to weaken their squad to sign one player by probably moving on Jesus and Silva.

Not showing up to training when a club haven't even made a bid for you yet seems a bit silly though.
 

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Exactly, it would all have to do with Pogba’s race and nationality and nothing to do with the fact that he’s been a disrespectful twat towards the club since day one :houllier:
What did Pogba do day 1?
 

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I know it's been said, but it needs reiterating - Imagine being a world class football player and signing a six year contract with Tottenham Hotspur. What a fecking maroon. :lol:

They should chain him up in the cheese room until 2024.
 

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So as long as you are a good player and perform well, you are allowed to disrespect your club and act unprofessional, but no one else can behave that way?
Yes. When the club disrespectful you. It's the reason why fans should never be up in arms about players running their contracts down (btw My issue with Pogba Is his agents comments)
 

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I don't know and I don't think that it's needed either. He can do what most players do, create a bit of tension in order to get a move.
I seriously hope we do go for him. Sell off our cast-offs for whatever we can to make up for the transfer fee and wages. I know people are holding up hopes for Haaland, but I don't see that happening with him being a client of Raiola.
 

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Spurs can't really allow their best player to be half arsed and frustrated around the club on daily basis. In cases like this more likely than not the player will push for the transfer and eventually would get it.
World Cup next year, last thing Kane and England need is being retained and benched. We did something similar with DDG, didn't we?

When did Levy not get what he wanted? Berbatov? Modric? Bale? Always had his way.
 
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