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However for me, PSG have now collected the 3 best and most celebrated forwards in world football into one team. People will argue about what they are “actually” paying Messi for years but I suspect it’s going to be quite substantial and beyond the capabilities of everyone except 1-2 clubs. It I ask a rhetorical question - Why should PSG have the 3 best forwards in world football? Is there another answer except that they have unlimited money ?
1) Because they'd rather spend their money in flashy forwards instead of buying a balanced team. Last year, our fullback starters were supposed to be Bernat (that we bought injured from Bayern for 12M) and Florenzi (on loan, and he sucked)
2) The owner did inject a lot of money for a while, i won't deny that. For a couple of years though we have no substantial sponsor owned by Qatar (maybe 20-30M/y). Most of our money comes from Nike and Accor.
 

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We also outbid them on Maguire two years ago and Sanchez right before that.
I never said we didn’t spend money, it’s just that City is on an entire other level. We only outbid City because Harry wanted to come here and City backed out.
 

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Scary thing is if they want they can blow the competition away...at the moment it's fairly competitive at the top, but that's only because the oil clubs haven't completely cherry picked the best in players in the world. But that could change.
 

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City have already made about 40m from sales. So this window not too different from us so far. They are also to sell Barnardo if they can find a buyer. Let's be honest here if Grealish had some pedigree from the rw we probably would have went all out for him too.
City are more stacked than us on the left and bought Jack. Utd only being able to splash out in areas that we couldn’t strengthen in years because we had to recruit elsewhere backs up my point IMO.
We only got Sancho and Varane because of their contract situations, we really are nothing alike. They’re literally buying mega players and then looking at maybe selling if the right offers come in. That’s not how the rest of us operate.
 

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Let's look at the league winners in the past few years. Will start at 2010 although things were already getting bad before that.

2010 Plastic nothing club
2011 United (2 years since an actual football club won it)
2012 Plastic nothing club
2013 United (2 years since an actual football club won it)
2014 Plastic nothing club
2015 Plastic nothing club
2016 Leicester (3 years since an actual football club won it)
2017 Plastic nothing club
2018 Plastic nothing club
2019 Plastic nothing club
2020 Liverpool (4 years since an actual football club won it)
2021 Plastic nothing club

The gaps are getting wider, which is definitely a reason why football is becoming more screwed as time goes on. We could end up going 10 years without a real club winning the PL.

The FA cup is not that bad yet (4 times bought by the plastic clubs in the same period)
The league cup, which used to be a chance for teams like Birmingham and Swansea to win not so long ago is a joke. In fact we're the only actual club to win it since 2013. It may as well be binned at this point.

CL may start to become the same as time goes on.
 

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Scary thing is if they want they can blow the competition away...at the moment it's fairly competitive at the top, but that's only because the oil clubs haven't completely cherry picked the best in players in the world. But that could change.
the main thing stopping them so far was the prestige and money of real and barca. both seem to have collapsed.
 

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Incoming 'FFP was only to protect the status quo skyway' nonsense. Despite almost every 'big club' in Europe having huge fall offs at one point or another over the last 15 years. Who knows who'd have achieved what without these rancid plastic clubs
 

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Cannot believe a PSG supporter is trying to showcase how PSG is in the same ballpark when it comes to financial support for a football club....they're in a league of their own.

PSG = Qatar Sports Investment = PSG Chairman/Club Owner = Qatar World Cup = Qatar the country

And I forgot to asd...Qatar Sports Investment is a direct subsidiary company to...
The Qatar Investment Authority (QIA; is Qatar's sovereign wealth fund. The QIA was founded by the State of Qatar in 2005 to strengthen the country's economy by diversifying into new asset classes. In 2021, the QIA had an estimated $300 billion of assets


You're bankrolled by an entire fecking country's sporting arm is like being bankrolled by the US government for a war. It's just not comparable to anything.
 
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Didn’t the last few window, we broke the record and signed the most expensive defender(Maguire), midfield(Pogba), and striker(Lukaku)? I am quite sure that if Mino wasn’t Haland agent, we will break the record again for him next summer. These clubs that has ”oil money” invested in them had a poor foundation, so significant inflow of cash was needed to even get them to a top level. Else, it would take years for them to build such a top club. I have no problem with it as it makes football more competitive and give more praise for managers who accomplish things without significant invest like Pochettino at Spurs, Rodgers at Leceister, gasperini at Atalanta, Wenger at Arsenal, Klopp at Dortmund, Nagelsman at Rb, etc.
Not forgetting the wages we paid Sanchez, or what we are reportedly paying De Gea. If United get their wish and Pogba sign the new contract, it's going to be up there as well.
 

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Cannot believe a PSG supporter is trying to showcase how PSG is in the same ballpark when it comes to financial support for a football club....they're in a league of their own.

PSG = Qatar Sports Investment = PSG Chairman/Club Owner = Qatar World Cup = Qatar the country

You're bankrolled by an entire fecking country's sporting arm is like being bankrolled by the US government for a war. It's just not comparable to anything.
As of 2021, please tell me how PSG is bankrolled by Qatar.
 

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Another question - to anyone who might know: how's Roman doing these days, money wise? Has he been making the right moves lately? I mean, taking bloody Covid (and bloody Brexit, I guess) into consideration and so forth. What's the verdict on him as a money maker?
He's doing well I think. Not murderous oil state well, but he's not going to run out of cash any time soon. Unfortunately the only hope with him is that now he's achieved the Champions League a couple of times he gets bored of them.
 

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Wasn’t the Lukaku wage reported as €12,000,000? So £195,000/week over the year?
 

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He's doing well I think. Not murderous oil state well, but he's not going to run out of cash any time soon. Unfortunately the only hope with him is that now he's achieved the Champions League a couple of times he gets bored of them.
Hehe - right. Thanks.
 

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You're not serious are you?
I'm dead serious. At one point one of you will have to do better then "bad oil club, murderous state, infinite pockets".

So i'll reiterate, as of 2021, how is Qatar bankrolling PSG?
 

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It’s not just that oil clubs outspend everybody else, it’s also that their spending on wages and transfer fees lifts the market for all other clubs, which means those other big clubs not only can’t really compete on an even playing field but they also go into huge debt (or at the very least make no money) trying to compete. It’s not a sustainable model and the billionaires who own all those clubs are well aware of that. Covid is just accelerating trends that already existed.
 

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I'm dead serious. At one point one of you will have to do better then "bad oil club, murderous state, infinite pockets".

So i'll reiterate, as of 2021, how is Qatar bankrolling PSG?
How are PSG finding this money to secure Messi within a matter of days?

Zero match day rev for over a year, a weak domestic TV deal, etc.
 

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We also outbid them on Maguire two years ago and Sanchez right before that.
I never said we didn’t spend money, it’s just that City is on an entire other level. We only outbid City because Harry wanted to come here and City backed out.
We didn't "outbid" city at all, we matched their bid and Maguire wanted to join United.

City are a front for one of the wealthiest regimes in the world, with creative accountants and shell companies for funneling extra money off the books, simply put our financial capabilities are nothing compared to theirs.
 

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How much did they pay for Neymar?
The latest football leaks have revealed that Neymar earns just over €1 million (about £900,000) a week at Paris Saint-Germain. The 26-year-old’s salary has been published by the French site Mediapart, which discloses that PSG had to pay €252 million to sign the player.

PSG paid €222 million to Barcelona, €10.5million each to his agents, his father Neymar Sr and Pini Zahavi, plus €8.7million to his first club Santos. His deal is worth €54.7million a year, or €30 million after tax.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/neymar-earns-900k-a-week-at-paris-saint-germain-mknr5fqt9
 

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Thanks - PSG are within their rights to sign good players and have cover in case of injuries.

However for me, PSG have now collected the 3 best and most celebrated forwards in world football into one team. People will argue about what they are “actually” paying Messi for years but I suspect it’s going to be quite substantial and beyond the capabilities of everyone except 1-2 clubs. It I ask a rhetorical question - Why should PSG have the 3 best forwards in world football? Is there another answer except that they have unlimited money ?
I never heard a soul ask what entitled Barcelona to have MSN start up front for them.
 

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How are PSG finding this money to secure Messi within a matter of days?

Zero match day rev for over a year, a weak domestic TV deal, etc.
So you're replying a question by asking another question, it seems that you don't have a lot of elements to back your claim.

It was reported PSG considered the Messi option for months now, Neymar pushed really hard for it. Then it was dropped when it seemed he would extend with Barcelona. So it's hardly "in a matter of days", they probably set things in motion months ago even if it was put aside.

We don't have to pay any transfer fee (even if there's agent/signing fees). The issue here is his wage, and i'm pretty confident you can find juicy marketing deals when you tell companies that they're going to get Messi for there commercials.

Even if I don't think Messi did really generate 30% of Barcelona's revenues (the widely reported study said 200M+/year), i'm still pretty sure he pretty much pays for himself with a 35M net salary.
 

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Football ruined for it.
 

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It's what's being widely reported and as accurate as you're going to get.
He still has a point, though.

Individual wages aren't disclosed in any shape or form, no journo has a proper source for that unless they have genuine (and highly specific) inside information.

I'm not saying we have no idea whatsoever - but like I said above, it's ballpark at best.