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Lionel Messi | PSG Watch
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Don't watch Serie A or Bundesliga then, you'd be in for a big surprise. Also didn't City win 3 of the last 4?
Come on, just admit that you forgot about it. This PSG transfer window could lead to nothing and on paper it's not better than Real Madrid's 2009 transfer window, it's not even close.
And 5 teams have won in the last 10 years. No other league comes close to that figure.
Always great when "let's be real" is followed by a load of nonsense. Preceded by it too, to be fair.You guys have a very hard time understanding that 35M net doesn't mean "after tax". It makes a huge difference.
Pretty wonderful to see the level of some arguments here.
If Messi's salary is high : oil club, plastic club, money money
If it's not that high : he gets money under the table, it can't be that low, plastic club.
Messi is at the end of his career, its not that ludicrous to think that he wants to play with one of his best friend, under an Argentinian coach with other players from Argentina, in Paris (sorry Manchester), in a team that reached 2 semi finals and 1 final in the pas 2 years and, yes, for a nice amount of money. Making it a monofactorial decision is pretty absurd.
Actually Ligue 1 has 4.
They had just won the league and had won it 6 of the last 8 seasons before Ronaldo came to United.
The lengths of which some of you will go to to praise Ronaldo are mind boggling.
I stand corrected! Forgot Lille's triumphant effort last year
Admit what? I never forgot about that summer, I'm in my 30's my man, I just think PSG's window is potentially better. Again, what did Kaka' do exactly? Benzema was 21 coming from Lyon and had ups and downs, if PSG win the CL this year, and we have big games from Donnarumma, Messi, Hakimi, as I expect we'll see, then no way I'm putting summer 2009 over this window, also context matters, a lot of those players were gotten without a transfer fee paid, Real Madrid shelled out world record fees to get those players on top of crazy wages. You take all of that into account, and again I already mentioned it's all on paper and we have to see how they do, but I'm perfectly comfortable telling you that if they succeed, I see it as the best transfer window by a club as far as I can remember, which goes far beyond 2009 btw.
I was teasing you. Sorry!
So what is that reason then? And which report are you talking about?
Point there "offer him what he wants". Cos he is a 23 year old wanting the most? He is 34, made billions. feck it, go for football reasons, a club you've admired etc. But he didn't. He went for money. No club on the planet would turn him down if he said "I won't ask for your entire wage budget". Bayern I am sure would make him their highest paid player if he said he wanted to come
A lot of things are said, doesn't mean that they're true. The most positive estimations from his biggest admirers barely had them breaking even on him. Even then, most of the math goes "2 million Messi shirts sold = 30 million Messi has made for Barca" completely failing to take into account that a number of these shirts would have been sold regardless, just with another player on the back.
There's also Rakuten CEO saying that if Barcelona didn't have Messi, they'd only be willing to pay half of what they have been paying. That's another ~23 million he brings in for them in a lot of these calculations. Except that assumes no other company would be willing to shell out more than ~23 million to have their names on the shirt of one of the biggest teams in the world, which seems highly unlikely.
Hope PSG fail to make it out of their CL group. Would be hilarious.
He's an Argentinian who has played his entire career for his dream club. What makes you think he has any strong alliance or preference to one European team over another?
Realistically it was always gonna be PSG or City.
I'm pretty sure that figure is going to dwindle very quickly over the next few years. Messi joining City wouldn't have been any more competitive in my view, there's no team that comes close to them in the Premier league, but there's a lot of people here who are obviously upset Messi won't be playing in their league, which clearly is a criminal offense.
Haha, well I can see the argument and 2009 is the obvious answer because this just happened there's nothing but names on paper right now, but depending on how things play out it might not sound as crazy in a year or two.I was teasing you. Sorry!
The thing is, he is mate with Neymar and maybe close to other argentines but definitely close mate with Neymar. PSG could easily be the football and personal choice for him on top of being lucrative, it's not as if we are talking about Anzhi a while ago.
How is Bayern better for footballing reasons? They're a better team with PSG so he'd have a much better chance of CL success, but other than that, their league is as uncompetitiveas it gets? I'd rather see Messi in a better league, but given I never wanted him in the PL at one of our rivals, it leaves little alternatives. Bayern and PSG are similar excep Bayern being even more dominant and having a true winning culture that PSG don't. Italian clubs have no money and Juve spent all theirs on Ronaldo. So given that, I'm fine with him going to PSG. The PL is the only other opton and it would have been shit to see him at City or Chelsea. feck that. He's simpyl too phenomenal for them to have.
I have to disagree. I am an arsenal fan from canada and bought a Messi and a CR7 jersey when i travelled to Spain years ago. Will I buy a Barcelona or Real Madrid jersey without both players in that team? Hell no.
Will definitely consider watching a live game next time I am in Paris. What a summer for PSG!
He is. No way PSG can make their books clean in front of the FFP if they do not cover payments under the table. As for sporting reasons. No, joining the farmers League is never a sporting reason. He cant join a football club just to play 6 CL games a year and be satisfied with his sporting reason. Also there are no guarantees the will compete for the CL.
PSG is a plastic club with no football history and no prestige whatsoever, there is no shame in admitting that. Do you want to tell me PSG is a not a plastic club? You have to convince the world, not only me.
Again, as reported by Fabrizio, 35m net salary. Do the Math.
Ans what exactly is this footballing reasons?What footballing reasons can other teams give which PSG can't ? Get a grip. Don't let your hatred towards Messi override the sane thoughts. Seems like, you can't digest the fact that he joined an already brilliant team and just made it better in CL. Noone cares about ligue 1 here.
Two Manchesters, Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs and Leicester say hi to playing two Madrid clubs twice a year and to whoever you're quoting. In France there isn't even a proper derby, he'd be better off in Celtic
I always thought these studies were bullshit, how do you attribute these gains to just Barcelona/PSG and Messi ?
For god sake, I've just told you that 35M net in France doesn't mean after income tax. You're so deep in your hatred that you don't even read.
I don't really have an issue with him going to PSG cos as you say, he has reasons of friends and it's the easiest route to victory on paper. But I just don't like this narrative that some (not everyone of course) has that money is not really a big factor. It's also on PSG for offering that much if they had all the other stuff going for them to draw him. It's an insane salary - if he really wanted to go PSG the insane money wasn't needed. Either there was a bidding war or that's just what he was demanding which hardly fits the 'he just wants CL and sees PSG as the best option'
Good thing I didn't say they'd sell exactly the same amount of shirts without him, then. Point is, we don't actually know how many of them were exclusively Messi-shirts, so to speak.
Just taking the total number, (over)estimating how much money the club sees from that, then attributing it all to Messi will obviously not leave you with a correct answer.
I'm confused, what does net mean in France then? And how does it apply to an English-language statement?
Did I just read Messi will increase tourism to Paris by 5-10%? Absolutely zero chance. What nonsense.
We didn't lose Barthez, he was dropped for being shite and loaned out in January 2004. Veron was a flop and him leaving didn't really weaken us at all. Beckham I'll give you.
Also, Louis Saha was our most expensive signing.
Net means after social contributions. Then you pay your income tax and you have your "net après impot"
I've seen it translated "take-home pay" in some countries but it's not always a perfect match.
Who said that money wasn't a big factor? From what I see everyone agrees that money is a factor and that there are several others, also other candidates would have paid him very handsomely.
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If they are smart he won’t play that many at all. The goal is champions league, I doubt he’ll play so many in Ligue 1, clearly he will but i hope poch rotates him well. How is his record with that?
Must be chuffed he gets to play with Wijnaldum. Humbling moment for little Lionel I bet.
Yeah it would mean 2 to 4 millions coming only for Messi. Not happening.
Net is what the employee receives from the employer, it's before income taxes. Brut/gross is the amount that the employer actually spend, it includes social contributions and pension.