Top 10 best squads in Europe on paper

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Last year I thought our squad was the fourth best in the premier league.

If we don’t sell anyone I think we have now easily the second best squad and easily top 5 in Europe.

Pressures truly on now Ole however I’m sure you will deliver.

Is the pressure really on him, though? As long as he finishes top 4 and we don't get embarrassed too much in the CL, he'll keep his job and the support of the majority of the fans, no?

The big competitions will be contested by the oil clubs this year and most people seem to have made their peace with that.

 

[desirere]

Welcome newbie. You're going to be a blast.

A pool supporter thinking someone is overrating their team, you lot need a damn mirror and quick. For all the biased and shit opinion your fanbase served us for about 30 years (even when you were clearly shit), you should keep it quite in this instance.

And there is nothing ridiculous about his statement, on paper we’re extremely good.This is the first time for a long time that we can actually be bullish about the strength of our first 11 in these types of discussions, specially with opposition fans.

 

[Dumbstar]

I'm not that new (talking about that, how do i get to have more than 5 posts a day though?).
And i said "clearly better". You could make an argument for City or Chelsea or maybe even Liverpool, but they aren't clearly better.



Anything can happen in a cup tie, that doesn't mean the winner is better.
Do you think Villarreal is better than United because they beat United?

As per exact positions played:

Alisson -> Henderson/DdG
Trent -> AWB
Matip <- Varane
VvD -> Maguire
Robertson <- Shaw
Fab -> McTom
Capn Fantastic Hendo -> Pogba
Thiago <- Bruno
Salah -> Sancho
Jota -> Only 20minsInTheTank Cavani
Mane -> Rashford

That's 8 players versus 3. I think "clearly" covers it. You could argue one or two players (Cavani, Pogba) but then equally so could I (Robbo, Matip).

 

[Dumbstar]

A pool supporter thinking someone is overrating their team, you lot need a damn mirror and quick. For all the biased and shit opinion your fanbase served us for about 30 years (even when you were clearly shit), you should keep it quite in this instance.

And there is nothing ridiculous about his statement, on paper we’re extremely good.This is the first time for a long time that we can actually be bullish about the strength of our first 11 in these types of discussions, specially with opposition fans.

I agree with the majority of this post, including the strength of your XI in recent times. I don't agree with how strong you lot think it is. That's your bias clouding reality.

 

[desirere]

I agree with the majority of this post, including the strength of your XI in recent times. I don't agree with how strong you lot think it is. That's your bias clouding reality.

How effective it will be in the end and strength on paper mostly aren’t the same thing. On paper you surely can’t deny the strength. The last time I felt about our squad like this was around 2006-2007, so it’s not particularly often i think so highly of our relative strength.

The problem for opposition fans is your hatred towards MU, it simply clouds your own perception of the quality of certain players. I would bet my life if Pogs was playing for your lot he’d be considered God-tier best midfielder ever after SlippyG of course. Yet as it stands he gets ridiculed at every presented opportunity, because he’s out player, I’m more then sure that a strong percentage of your fellow supporters would keep him out of a combined XI.

1.PSG
2. City
3. Bayern M
4. United/Chelsea
6. Liverpool
7. Real
8. Barca
9. Atletico
10. Juve

 

[desirere]

As per exact positions played:

Alisson -> Henderson/DdG
Trent -> AWB
Matip <- Varane
VvD -> Maguire
Robertson <- Shaw
Fab -> McTom
Capn Fantastic Hendo -> Pogba
Thiago <- Bruno
Salah -> Sancho
Jota -> Only 20minsInTheTank Cavani
Mane -> Rashford

That's 8 players versus 3. I think "clearly" covers it. You could argue one or two players (Cavani, Pogba) but then equally so could I (Robbo, Matip).

Holy fek you must be a WUM. If not get your head checked.

 

[roonster09]

As per exact positions played:

Alisson -> Henderson/DdG
Trent -> AWB
Matip <- Varane
VvD -> Maguire
Robertson <- Shaw
Fab -> McTom
Capn Fantastic Hendo -> Pogba
Thiago <- Bruno
Salah -> Sancho
Jota -> Only 20minsInTheTank Cavani
Mane -> Rashford

That's 8 players versus 3. I think "clearly" covers it. You could argue one or two players (Cavani, Pogba) but then equally so could I (Robbo, Matip).

Argue what with Matip? That he is better than Varane?

 

[Dumbstar]

How effective it will be in the end and strength on paper mostly aren’t the same thing. On paper you surely can’t deny the strength. The last time I felt about our squad like this was around 2006-2007, so it’s not particularly often i think so highly of our relative strength.

The problem for opposition fans is your hatred towards MU, it simply clouds your own perception of the quality of certain players. I would bet my life if Pogs was playing for your lot he’d be considered God-tier best midfielder ever after SlippyG of course. Yet as it stands he gets ridiculed at every presented opportunity, because he’s out player, I’m more then sure that a strong percentage of your fellow supporters would keep him out of a combined XI.

1.PSG
2. City
3. Bayern M
4. United/Chelsea
6. Liverpool
7. Real
8. Barca
9. Atletico
10. Juve

It's a healthy animosity, not hatred.

I have listed the first XI where I consider 8 of our first XI to be better than the best of yours. Squad wise, yes we lose out quite a bit.

 

[Dumbstar]

Argue what with Matip? That he is better than Varane?

I haven't seen Varane against the likes of Burnley, City, Leicester, etc, yet. I have with Matip and he's been outstanding. Di Maria came from Spain with a huge rep too. Couldn't handle it here. Not even for a second.

 

[roonster09]

I haven't seen Varane against Burnley, City, Leicester yet. I have with Matip and he's been outstanding. Di Maria came from Spain with a huge rep too. Couldn't handle it here. Not even for a second.

Looks like we found Shaun Wright philips account.

 

[Dumbstar]

Looks like we found Shaun Wright philips account.

Ok you can keep Varane and completely remove Matip from the conversation. Hasn't changed anything to my original post which was cleverly derailed. As I expected.

 

[RobinLFC]

I haven't seen Varane against the likes of Burnley, City, Leicester, etc, yet. I have with Matip and he's been outstanding. Di Maria came from Spain with a huge rep too. Couldn't handle it here. Not even for a second.

You nearly did so well and then you choose to argue over Matip > Varane, ffs

If VVD returns to full strength, I'd want Bruno, Pogba and Varane into our first XI. That's it.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

PSG isn't that good. Bayern and City are better.

 

[Dumbstar]

You nearly did so well and then you choose to argue over Matip > Varane, ffs

It's been retracted. You clearly fell for the derailing tactic by thinking that is what I said. You need to be here for a little longer to pick up that experience.

 

[tenpoless]

I haven't seen Varane against the likes of Burnley, City, Leicester, etc, yet. I have with Matip and he's been outstanding. Di Maria came from Spain with a huge rep too. Couldn't handle it here. Not even for a second.

So theres another one. "But can he do it against Burnley?"

 

[roonster09]

Ok you can keep Varane and completely remove Matip from the conversation. Hasn't changed anything to my original post which was cleverly derailed. As I expected.

I don't disagree much with your other points. I had Liverpool on 2nd place in prediction thread.

 

[Dumbstar]

So theres another one. "But can he do it against Burnley?"

Yes, is it not a valid question? Did Di Maria do it against Burnley? Should we have asked at the time before wasting all that money?

 

[RobinLFC]

It's been retracted. You clearly fell for the derailing tactic by thinking that is what I said. You need to be here for a little longer to pick up that experience.

First XI it's us (quite comfortably imo but obviously most on here would disagree with that). Whole squad it's Utd (also quite comfortably).

 

[SadlerMUFC]

Is this the official unofficial list?

 

[giorno]

1) PSG
2) Bayern
3) City
4) Chelsea(depth)

5) everyone else

 

[Infra-red]

As per exact positions played:

Alisson -> Henderson/DdG
Trent -> AWB
Matip <- Varane
VvD -> Maguire
Robertson <- Shaw
Fab -> McTom
Capn Fantastic Hendo -> Pogba
Thiago <- Bruno
Salah -> Sancho
Jota -> Only 20minsInTheTank Cavani
Mane -> Rashford

That's 8 players versus 3. I think "clearly" covers it. You could argue one or two players (Cavani, Pogba) but then equally so could I (Robbo, Matip).

Fans will always have some bias towards their own players. I certainly wouldn't swap Sancho with Salah, Rashford with Mane, or Pogba with Henderson (let alone Varane with Matip!)

Overall, I don't think the first XI quality difference is particularly substantial. Liverpool do have a better and much more accomplished manager though, so I would give you the edge in a one-off game against us.

 

[Macern]

Bayern is not Tier 1 atm. And certainly not #3 in Europe. People are overrating them based on past glory. Mark my words, they will fall this year and 10 in a row won't happen.

You would've been in the CL final though if not for the injury on Lewa? And you still have some really great players like Lewa, Kimmich, Goretzka, Müller, Neuer.

Let's switch it around and estimate who's most likely to win the CL. I'd have it in this order:

1. PSG
2. City
3. Bayern
4. Chelsea
5. Liverpool
6. United
7. Juventus
8. Atletico
9. Real Madrid
10. Dortmund

 

[yamo123x]

As much as i love the club i dont think we are as good as some of you make out., our fully fit 11 is good, our squad is shite AND our manager is just a nice bloke.

 

[NYAS]

What’s with all the Bayern stuff? They have only 3 players that would walk into our starting 11.

 

[anant]

1. PSG
2. City
3. Bayern
4. Chelsea (worse starting XI but better squad than United IMO)
5. Utd
6. Pool
7/8/9 Atletico/ RM/ Barca
10. can be anyone between Juve, Inter, BVB (would depend on the transfers that these teams do)

 

[TheMagicFoolBus]

What’s with all the Bayern stuff? They have only 3 players that would walk into our starting 11.

What? Lewandowski, Kimmich, Neuer, Goretzka, Pavard, and Gnabry all comfortably make it, with Muller only kept out because Bruno is an alien.

 

[Remember the geese]

What? Lewandowski, Kimmich, Neuer, Goretzka, Pavard, and Gnabry all comfortably make it, with Muller only kept out because Bruno is an alien.

Don't agree with Pavard and Gnabry. The others, yes.

 

[Rajiztar]

As much as i love the club i dont think we are as good as some of you make out., our fully fit 11 is good, our squad is shite AND our manager is just a nice bloke.

But it's on paper and players' best considered as the level they will perform next season. So united not far off. Reality may not but op just put as on paper though.

 

[NYAS]

What? Lewandowski, Kimmich, Neuer, Goretzka, Pavard, and Gnabry all comfortably make it, with Muller only kept out because Bruno is an alien.

First 3 comfortably make it. Goretzka over Pogba? Hmmm doubt it.

Pavard doesn’t make it over AWB.

Gnabry/Coman v Rashford is a debate. But not comfortable.

So like I said, only 3 “walk in” to our starting 11.

 

[spaceboyRSA]

Transfermarkt have a table comparison of the total market value of the top 18 players at each European club, which some people might think is representative of quality:

Club	MV Top-18 players
Manchester City	£889.20m
Paris Saint-Germain	£786.60m
Liverpool FC	£729.45m
Bayern Munich	£709.11m
Manchester United	£695.70m
Chelsea FC	£671.40m
Real Madrid	£670.50m
Atlético de Madrid	£616.95m
FC Barcelona	£613.80m
Tottenham Hotspur	£564.30m

NB the Chelsea value doesn't include the Lukaku transfer, which would lift them up in to third, behind PSG.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ver...marktwertetop?kontinent_id=0&land_id=0&plus=1

Also doesn’t include Varane to united which would lift us to third

 

[spaceboyRSA]

Holy fek you must be a WUM. If not get your head checked.

Hate to say it, but you won’t win arguing with a pool supporter. Such a rookie mistake

 

[Andersons Dietician]

Bayern is not Tier 1 atm. And certainly not #3 in Europe. People are overrating them based on past glory. Mark my words, they will fall this year and 10 in a row won't happen.

I was kind of thinking the same thing and wondering how they are featuring so highly on everyone’s list. At best I would say they are currently middling.

 

[FatTails]

1. Gulf country 1
2. Gulf country 2
3. Bayern
4. Roman’s boys
5. Manchester United
6. Liverpool
7. Real Madrid
8. Atletico Madrid
9. Barcelona
10. Juve

 

[Giggsy13]

City are the most complete and balanced team in Europe. I think PSG are behind in terms of their midfield and fullbacks but their attack is up there with 2015 Barca.

1. City
2. PSG
3. Bayern
4. Chelsea
5. United
6. Liverpool
7. Real Madrid
8. Atletico Madrid
9. Juventus
10. Dortmund

I think Barca just miss out on top 10 and probably come in just behind Dortmund. You can also argue that Leicester City, Spurs or Arsenal could round out the top 15 along with Inter. The balance of power has greatly shifted to the EPL.

 

[Amadaeus]

I don’t get what people see in Chelsea. A United reject is their top earner. Kante is perhaps the only player is their team that is worth having. Even though I believe that Lukaku was underrated at United, that is two players that are top class. Rest of their squad are good players on paper.

1. PSG (Pochettino is building an iconic team over there and it will resemble one of the greats in football history).
2.) Manchester City/Manchester United (Both these team have strength in depth and starting 11)
4.) Bayern
5.) Barcelona
6.) Real Madrid
7.) Chelsea
8.) Liverpool
9.) Aletico
10.) Juventus

 

[Infra-red]

Also doesn’t include Varane to united which would lift us to third

Yes, you're right. Will lift total value of the most valuable eighteen players to approximately £742m.

 

[DoneDaDa]

1. PSG
2. Chelsea
3. City
4. Bayern Munich
5. United
6. Atleti
7. Liverpool
8. Juve
9. Barcelona
10. RM

 

[charlenefan]

Not sure how you rate this? The biggest squad might not equal having the best starting XI for example so in that scenario I'd rank the latter higher, is that how everyone else is doing it or is having more options more favourable even if none of those options add up to having the best XI?

 

[ivaldo]

As per exact positions played:

Alisson -> Henderson/DdG
Trent -> AWB
Matip <- Varane
VvD -- Maguire
Robertson <- Shaw
Fab -> McTom
Hendo <- Pogba
Thiago <- Bruno
Mane <- Sancho
Only20ishgamesbeforeinjury Jota <- Cavani
Salah -- Rashford

Few sensible changes for you there.

6 for United, 3 for Liverpool, 2 even.

Then once we get into squad options it's not even a contest.

 

[Aidan Azar]

I don’t get what people see in Chelsea. A United reject is their top earner. Kante is perhaps the only player is their team that is worth having. Even though I believe that Lukaku was underrated at United, that is two players that are top class. Rest of their squad are good players on paper.

1. PSG (Pochettino is building an iconic team over there and it will resemble one of the greats in football history).
2.) Manchester City/Manchester United (Both these team have strength in depth and starting 11)
4.) Bayern
5.) Barcelona
6.) Real Madrid
7.) Chelsea
8.) Liverpool
9.) Aletico
10.) Juventus

Barcelona and Real Madrid over Chelsea is madness. Not even close.