I think what he meant is player with great personality & character aka someone who can be leader.
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He climbed through the ranks from Sheffield United to Manchester United captain.
Biggest win for any men.
But that's my point, how are we as fans meant to know which players can be leaders?
This isn't me criticising Maguire, by the way. I do think he is a good CB but what makes him a leader? How do you quantify that?
Take a look at Arteta signings so far. Are they in the same category as Cavani, Maguire and Bruno or more a Bissaka & Daniel James category?
So you're telling me when United signed Bruno and Maguire, you knew they'd be leaders? Not just good players, but leaders/winners?
I just read the Arsenal vs Chelsea game thread on Arsenalmania. I have never read that much doom and gloom there before.
I could see it when I watched Cavani, Bruno and Maguire.
Odegaard played with you half season and Ben White been playing in PL last season. If you watch them play, you should be able to see glimpse of which players who act like a leader and who don't act like a leader.
Thanks, I should have said leaders. They lift the players around them. I think Maguire played a big part in Shaw's resurrection.
I think we scouted them, yes.
I think you might be underestimating the level of due diligence that is going into United's recruitment now compared to when we signed the likes of Falcao, Di Maria & Schweinsteiger.
How have these guys spent more than us this season? It’s ridiculous.
I think the majority of gooners on here would agree they needed to spend more! I think United have specific targets which, for one reason or another, are unattainable at this time.
Why? Utd have a settled team, need to just add a couple of depth signings. Arsenal needed to replace Luiz(with White) and Odegaard(with Odegaard).
Of course, that's one of the jobs of the scouts. When you look at the onfield (and to an extent, off-field too) personality of the players we've been signing since Ole came in, there is a general sense of a direction beyond the pure sporting talent. And I believe this was also the case with Liverpool scouting, going beyond just stats. These are hard to quantify of course but that's the whole point of good scouting. Having proper leaders (and leadership can manifest in different forms, by the way) is essential to any group venture.
You definitely needed added creativity so it's a signing that makes sense yeah.
Watching you on Friday with Xhaka constantly passing it to Tierney to put shite crosses in was giving me horrible flashbacks to Moyes.
Aye, it's wasn't pretty. Unfortunately, that seems to be the go to action when we are struggling to break teams down. That's why I think a good right back is a must as well, even just to balance that out, because it is painful to watch!
I think the point was more towards the quality of the players signed, than Arsenal’s need of spending.
Brutal when it's out like that.
No one could have predicted Bruno’s impact when we signed him. I think the signing of Bruno and Odegaard are comparable (when Bruno was signed), but Arsenal doesn’t have to pay United price and RM is desperate for money. £30m for Odegaard is a real bargain.
It’s very easy to see Odegaard’s great potential (his fantastic period in Real S and Arsenal’s match against West Ham). I think he will develop to be a top 3 player (PL) in his position - I’m sure many clubs will look back and regret they didn’t join the race. United wouldn’t. We have Bruno
When that’s said I see a lot of similarities between Bruno and Odegaard. It’s isn’t unlikely Odegaard will reach the level of Bruno. It can even be argued Odegaard’s is a greater talent than Bruno, but then again Bruno
has an advantage when it comes to winning mentality and character.
It’s also easy to see Odegaard has struggled a bit; he somehow has lost the determination he was known for in his youth and he often have played to safe. Maybe the timing of his injuries also have had an impact? Odegaard first of all needs a confidence boost, and stability. It seems like Odegaard impressed his teammates and coaches during his period in Arsenal. So I think Arsenal will take good care of him and give him a lot of trust. That’s why I think Odegaard will hit back on his critiques very soon.
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It really is.
Arteta must fight as title challenger this season.
Nope, he forgot to mentionArteta must fight as title challenger this season.
Ole, Pep, Klopp, Rodgers >>> Arteta
We'll never know the full potential of this squad unfortunately. But the next manager will have a good squad to choose from.
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Arsenal are going to spend 150 million pounds this summer without making any substantial improvements to their team from the second half of last year. Edu masterclass.
James - £15m
Bissaka - £50m
Maguire - £80m
Bruno - £51m
Total: £196m
Mari - £7m
Gabriel - £27m
Partey - £45m
White - £50m
Tavares - £8m
Lokonga - £19m
Ødegaard - £35m
Ramsdale - £30m
Total: £221m
More than £200m spending under Arteta and I still can't see how their squad is top 4 quality or at least better than Leicester City.
Bissaka - £50m
Maguire - £80m
Bruno - £51m
Total: £196m
Mari - £7m
Gabriel - £27m
Partey - £45m
White - £50m
Tavares - £8m
Lokonga - £19m
Ødegaard - £35m
Ramsdale - £30m
Total: £221m
More than £200m spending under Arteta and I still can't see how their squad is top 4 quality or at least better than Leicester City.
They do seem to be spending bundles, without bringing in any real quality.
So you have included Odegaard who has just signed and Ramsdale which is not confirmed, but omitted Sancho and Varane. Pretty ridiculous comparison.
I agree that Leicester remain stronger though.
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My point is that's how you spend 200m, buying quality players like Bruno & Maguire to be good enough for top 4. If I include Sancho and Varane then there is no 200m reference as my point. Adding Varane and Sancho means will be exceeding 300m, that will be different reference and the reference will be for title challenger.
Taken to the cleaners.
If Arsenal had a good manager, I think they still have enough talent to compete for European football slots. It seems like this is a make or break year. Either get a good manager and get a little further up the table, or keep sliding down the table after this year.
That Ramsdale deal is the perfect metaphor for how that club is run now. £30m for literally the worst keeper in the league over the last two seasons, doesn't improve what they've got and there's a much better option available in Onana for a fraction of the price.
80m on Ben White and Ramsdale that’s just insane.
Time will show
No one thought Bruno would reach his level today either, and Odegaard is likely a better player than Bruno was the same age.Wasn’t unrealistic Odegaard would become a starter in RM within a couple of years, but he wasn’t patient enough.
If a player is a starter in RM he per c is on level with Bruno
Clubs are finding something with Onana. Every club that takes a really good look passes on him. It was Onana or Mendy for us not long ago and many fans wanted Onana over Mendy.....dodged that bullet.
Fans might not but management can if they do their due diligence. Phelan actually managed Maguire when he was at Hull so someone in our management team had first-hand experience of what he was like to work with and the type of character he is.
Agreed, I never got into the hype which I believe was generated mostly from that CL run.
I don't necessarily think he's a top level goalkeeper, but we are talking about Arsenal here
In all seriousness though, that doesn't detract from the wider point that they're massively overspending on a player who isn't good enough. If Arteta lasted the season and installed Ramsdale as first choice I'd have doubts about them finishing top half.
I get that Arsenal would struggle to attract the more 'sexier' names in football considering their position today, but I still find it baffling how they choose to invest. Odegaard is a good player, and Ramsdale is probably a decent keeper, but to spend around £60million when neither of them improves their gaping weaknesses in the team baffles me. And that's not even going into spending £50million on a defender who loses the majority of aerial duels.
We tear into Arteta and rightly so (let's be honest, he's been clueless), but Edu is currently stealing a living there. Completely shocking business from them this summer.
We tear into Arteta and rightly so (let's be honest, he's been clueless), but Edu is currently stealing a living there. Completely shocking business from them this summer.
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