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The video though revealed the leadership in that man city team.
Fernandes Vs De Bruyne
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The video though revealed the leadership in that man city team.
Is this even a debate anymore? Fernandes has out shined everyone in the league since joining us, not only de bruyne but everyone. He has more goal contributions since joining us, he turned us around on his own, de bruyne plays in a team with other quality players, at the time we signed Bruno he was pretty much the only one, he made the others around him perform… I see de bruyne as someone who if he doesn’t get his own way he sulks, he can’t improve his team mates performances.
I remember that too. People were/are confusing the machine like efficiency of a Pep team (sans De Bruyne) with what happens when their best players are on song.
Whilst I’m not doubting KDBs quality as he has been one of the best PL players since he’s been here, I do think when he goes through spells of bad form it goes largely unnoticed.
Given the embarrassment of riches city have when he has not been on form someone else can step up in his absence. Bruno hasn’t had that luxury but still has racked up incredible numbers.
I wouldn’t trade Bruno for him as he seems to be a better talisman and I don’t think KDB would have ever had the same impact that Bruno has had although technically he is better.
Given the embarrassment of riches city have when he has not been on form someone else can step up in his absence. Bruno hasn’t had that luxury but still has racked up incredible numbers.
I wouldn’t trade Bruno for him as he seems to be a better talisman and I don’t think KDB would have ever had the same impact that Bruno has had although technically he is better.
These questions are pointless on a Utd forum
Bruno, no contest
Bruno, no contest
Bruno created more chances and provided more goals and assists that KdB last season.
Therefore, at this moment, he is better.
As of this moment, this season(one game, I know), he is still better.
That about sums it up for me.
Therefore, at this moment, he is better.
As of this moment, this season(one game, I know), he is still better.
That about sums it up for me.
Tough to judge as KDB plays for a better manager with a very particular style of play. Hard to know how he'd fare in Bruno's position or vice versa. We're also judging KDB over more seasons which skews things.
All things considered though, for most teams it probably would be KDB. He's technically better in terms of touch/passing and is definitely better in terms of carrying and dribbling with the ball (even without that being the outstanding attribute you associate with him). Bruno has more direct goal threat and is possibly better defensively but I'm not sure that's quite enough to edge ahead of KDB.
Both are better suited to their current teams than the other would be though and it's close enough to be debatable.
All things considered though, for most teams it probably would be KDB. He's technically better in terms of touch/passing and is definitely better in terms of carrying and dribbling with the ball (even without that being the outstanding attribute you associate with him). Bruno has more direct goal threat and is possibly better defensively but I'm not sure that's quite enough to edge ahead of KDB.
Both are better suited to their current teams than the other would be though and it's close enough to be debatable.
At the moment Bruno, but overall De Bruyne.
I feel that if both swapped clubs they would be worse. Bruno gives the ball away too much to be in Pep team but I feel if KDB was here he wouldn’t be as effective due to him relying on runs in behind etc.
KDB is one of the best I’ve seen at splitting the defence with immense weighted passes. I’ve only seen Iniesta do it better. Bruno is more of a goalscorer and risk taker. Both are different players and while I consider KDB slightly better I wouldn’t swap. Bruno is the perfect match for this team
KDB is one of the best I’ve seen at splitting the defence with immense weighted passes. I’ve only seen Iniesta do it better. Bruno is more of a goalscorer and risk taker. Both are different players and while I consider KDB slightly better I wouldn’t swap. Bruno is the perfect match for this team
Fernandes somehow manages to play 11 like 5 a side is my only contribution.
I would say KDB is the much more sharpened technician, but the role Bruno plays for us would not suit him at all. Our team is very reminiscent to Sir Alex's sides more than ever purely from the fact every time we get the ball we intend on hurting the other team and Bruno plays into this perfectly.
Bruno scores more, creates practically the same amount in a team that is worse at attacking and does more defensively.
If we are saying that being the better player is just about how perfect your technique is then Pogba is the best of the 3. He isn't.
If we are saying that being the better player is just about how perfect your technique is then Pogba is the best of the 3. He isn't.
This. Exactly what I said, KDB is slightly better but I don’t think he has the same impact for us that Bruno does. Bruno wouldn’t be able to do what KDB does a city and vice versa.
We need Bruno more than we need a KDB.
KDB is the better more technical player, but Bruno is the more flat out balls to the wall, get you a winning goal type player.
It's a bit like Messi vs CR7
Messi the better player, but CR7 is the player you would rather have when you need the win.
It's a bit like Messi vs CR7
Messi the better player, but CR7 is the player you would rather have when you need the win.
Bruno all the way, impacts the game a lot more than De Bruyne.
We badly needed a leader on the pitch. More even than we needed Bruno's actual ability. KDB is obviously a superb player but he doesn't have that fire and vocal leadership that Bruno brings. There's a reason so many players immediately started looking better once he showed up.
I also don't think KDB is as direct as Bruno. He's a pretty balanced player between maintaining possession and taking risks. Bruno is all risk, hence why he loses the ball a lot.
Putting aside the all-important 'trophies' part of this debate and the fact that it's a different sport, the comparison gives me Federer v Nadal vibes.
I said it above what you said in your original comment. Bruno is a better fit for this team and while KDB would certainly do well here he wouldn’t be as effective as Bruno. Same if you put Bruno in the City team.
KDB is slightly better overall for me but to even be compared nevermind be beside the player that is considered the best in the league over the last 3 years says something
This table is all well and good but who really cares about goals and assists nowadays? De Bruyne has better pass completion percentage and a higher xRecyclePossession stat and xPreAssistAssistIfSterlingCouldFinish score, and those are the numbers that really matter.
Prime KDB slightly ahead of Bruno. But Bruno ahead of 30yo a bit injury prone KDB. Bruno had a better season 20-21.
Well while that is sarcasm I never get this comparisons they are completely different players. I’ve seen KDB cut teams open with a through ball then it’s squared for a goal and he doesn’t get a goal/assist for it.
He is in the Iniesta bracket. I remember reading Fellaini had more career goals than Ineista. Iniesta split the defence with through balls but most of the time didn’t get a goal or assist
Disagree once again. We started looking better because Bruno replaced Lingard/pereira in the side. This United team was already good but had average players in certain key positions. KDB would have a similar effect for us is my point exactly. Many have forgotten the suffering we went through with lingard/pereira. Brunos ability for me is much more important than his leadership. His leadership does have a good effect for squad morale but lets not act like that is his strongest attribute. He is a very efficient player and works hard. Thats his defining quality.
Also KDB does take risk but obviously not as much as Bruno. Bruno's risky play is only a disadvantage when we come against quality sides and we have to make our limited chances count.
Most definatley!
The way I see it, no United fan in their right mind would swap KDB for Bruno. No City fan would swap Bruno for KDB. Both are priceless in their respective teams and system.
That’s 100% what I said above more than once. Both are different players that would be worse in the opposite teams system. So in reality it doesn’t matter who is better as both are better for there club
I agree that KDB is a better player than Bruno, but I just love Bruno, you know. When Jay Rodriguez let one rip into the top corner, that was one of the lowest moments as a United fan. With Rashford confirmed out for months , we were staring at a 8/9th finish in the league. Bruno came in and instantly lifted the whole club on his back. It takes a special guy to carry all those expectations and deliver from the off. I know that this is not the place, but I guess that is one of the reasons why fans took a liking for Bruno so quickly, in a way they have never been able to, for Pogba. The huge expectations that the fans have of Pogba have also played a part in this. Hopefully, this is the season where these 2 combine to lead us to glory.
Would I love to have KDB? Absolutely. At the expense of our magnifico? That’s got to be a no from me.
Would I love to have KDB? Absolutely. At the expense of our magnifico? That’s got to be a no from me.
Kdb is old and slow now. You can see that he hardly makes much runs anymore and he runs very slowly now. Man City needs to replace him fast.
Due to his poor injury history, you can see kdb is struggling to keep up in every game.
Due to his poor injury history, you can see kdb is struggling to keep up in every game.
Bruno play with urgency of relentless ram.
Kdb plays with scapel precision.
Imagine them together in front of a makelele.
Kdb plays with scapel precision.
Imagine them together in front of a makelele.
KdB is shite, all City players are shite, Pep Guardiola is only fluent at saying 'happy new year'. End of story.
What the fans don’t consider is timing. Pogba came into a side with Blind playing CB next to Smalling, Valencia or Young RB, Mata on RW, Rooney failing to be Scholes and Fellaini as a midfield partner.
I’m sorry but fans expecting one player to transform that mess is ridiculous, Bruno has walked into a much stronger and more balanced side and replaced Lingard and Perreira almost completing the jigsaw…which Sancho, Varane and perhaps a DM could actually complete and perhaps we might win something that we havent with the transformative Bruno. That’s something that must be considered also when they look at KDB. I’d chose Bruno for us as he suits us perfectly but no way he is a better player.
KdB is the better player. Not by much, but he is the better footballer.
The kind of justifications of Bruno I'm seeing here of being a better leader, and carrying a team, I remember Liverpool fans used to say when Gerrard vs Scholes came up.
The kind of justifications of Bruno I'm seeing here of being a better leader, and carrying a team, I remember Liverpool fans used to say when Gerrard vs Scholes came up.
Team Pogba came into :
DDG
Valencia
Smalling
Blind
Young
Fellaini
Herrera
Mata
Mkhitaryan
Rashford
Ibra
Team Bruno came into :
DDG
AWB
Lindelof
Maguire
Shaw
Matic
Pogba
Greenwood
Lingard
Rashford
Martial
Me too I really like that side of him. Look how he used Mason to block Koch from chasing him
I think both are quality and it basically comes down to bias ala Aguero v Rooney, Ferdinand v Kompany and David Silva v Scholes.
All players offer very similar attributes and it basically just comes down to personal preference.
Bruno for us right now was EXACTLY what we needed yet would've been just another brilliant City player had he signed for them. De Bruyne I feel for us would have been a Di Maria type signing who needs a quality system around him to fully flourish.
Either way I think comparing them is pretty redundant as they're both world class and both exactly what their respective teams need. I wouldn't swap Bruno for kdb and in sure most city fans wouldn't swap kdb for Bruno.
Amazing players in systems that suit them down to the ground respectively
All players offer very similar attributes and it basically just comes down to personal preference.
Bruno for us right now was EXACTLY what we needed yet would've been just another brilliant City player had he signed for them. De Bruyne I feel for us would have been a Di Maria type signing who needs a quality system around him to fully flourish.
Either way I think comparing them is pretty redundant as they're both world class and both exactly what their respective teams need. I wouldn't swap Bruno for kdb and in sure most city fans wouldn't swap kdb for Bruno.
Amazing players in systems that suit them down to the ground respectively
Put De Bruyne instead of Lingard amd Pereira like Bruno and I don't see how his impact would've been much different from him.
Is this slowly becoming the Bruno Vs Pogba thread? Haha
I think both Pogba and Debruyne are better players than Bruno.
Although a superstar in his own right with a great attitude, I think the main advantage of Bruno over those two is his injury record.
Understandable that on a united forum people pick would pick Bruno over Debruyne. However, not convinced it'll happen in many other places.
That being said, I'm very very grateful we have Bruno.
I find it funny that Pogba use to want to play deeper until he saw all the stats accumulation of Bruno and fan adoration that accompanied it. Now Pogba wanted to play more advanced and be directed involved in the attacking plays. This hopefully will lead to those two combing to bring us trophies.
Bruno Fernandes, the man who would be in every man and his dog's FPL teams, and then get shat on by the same people. He'll never be able to win a debate vs De Bruyne, because goalposts will always be shifted when it comes to him, as to what constitutes a great player.
No bias but I'm taking Bruno, he can play terribly but still impact the game. That's invaluable. Both world class players but Bruno just gives me comfort that even when the game isn't going right, he'll do something and turn it in our favour.
Looks the other way around.
KDB is better. He's the best footballer in the world. But Bruno has been superb for United.
The age difference is a great point. Bruno can potentially get even better, more polished.