Lampard also clearly underperformed, though. He had the 4th best team in the league and then spent 250 million in one summer on top of this. And he didn't really overpay for any these players either. At that stage you have no business falling out of the top 4, which he looked like doing.I don't know. Chelsea sacked lampard and won the champions league.
So we sack Ole, hire hipster tactical manager we will win CL?I don't know. Chelsea sacked lampard and won the champions league.
Plenty of chances? The match ended with an xg of 1.5. We scored one goal. The biggest chances for us happened in the first 12 minutes...We were lucky yesterday but the opposite could be said for the Southampton game where we had plenty of chances to win the game.
There is no credit given to any opposition outside the top 4 on here that they might give us a tough game. Home advantage is another thing that is completely ignored.
He spent 250 because the summer before they spent 0. He won the freaking Champions league! If Ole won the championship league we would build 5 statues of him. Downplaying what Tuchel did when we can't even win the Europa league is a bit daft.Lampard also clearly underperformed, though. He had the 4th best team in the league and then spent 250 million in one summer on top of this. And he didn't really overpay for any these players either. At that stage you have no business falling out of the top 4, which he looked like doing.
You could argue that he might have turned things around, but Chelsea are known for being particularly impatient with their managers.
Hipster manager. Ok..I'll tell you what though,our squad this year is more that capable of winning the championship league., our manager isn't.So we sack Ole, hire hipster tactical manager we will win CL?
He still had the 4th best team and added 5 or 6 players worth 250 million combined on top of this. He had a team comparable to Ole's team that season.He spent 250 because the summer before they spent 0.
So did Di Matteo. And Mourinho with Porto. And Benitez with a Liverpool team that finished 5th.He won the freaking Champions league!
Understat had xg as 0.59 - 2.26 last week and 1.80 - 0.94 yesterday (yes I know there will be different figures from different sites).Plenty of chances? The match ended with an xg of 1.5. We scored one goal. The biggest chances for us happened in the first 12 minutes...
You are right, we have to give credit to our opponents. But that does apply to our competitors as well as we don't live in a vacuum. Southhampon wasn't lucky to get a draw. They worked for it and they pretty much nullified us. Which is great for them but ultimately shows, that we have to up our game.
Is that what you understood from my post? The level to which Ole fans go is laughable. You don't need 300m and 3 years to show consistency.So you’re asking to see consistency as he’s signed one of the best players in the world. A player who hasn’t actually played under him yet?
Do you think we are better or worse than when he took over?Is that what you understood from my post? The level to which Ole fans go is laughable. You don't need 300m and 3 years to show consistency.
After beating the worst Madrid side in decades and pep dropping a a huge bollock in the final.I don't know. Chelsea sacked lampard and won the champions league.
Ah no worries, apologies for thatNope not me.
We’ve just taken the unbeaten away record outright, come runners up in the EPL Europa League and WDW our opening three matches this season.Is that what you understood from my post? The level to which Ole fans go is laughable. You don't need 300m and 3 years to show consistency.
Oh please ! Away wins stats shows nothing about what we do on the field. Just shows how stats are useless if we don't say the context.We’ve just taken the unbeaten away record outright, come runners up in the EPL Europa League and WDW our opening three matches this season.
I’d say we are showing a pretty impressive level of consistency.
As far as I understood the statsbomb data (used by fbref) take more factors into consideration when calculating the xg. Understat goes mostly for positioning of the active player, while statsbomb also takes positioning of the defenders and for example the height of the ball into consideration. Understat provides data way faster, I use them as well because as an early indicator, it works. Just to let you know, the information, that the 3 biggest chances in the game from our team, happened in the first 12 min of the game came from understat as well. Thats why I think, they have been nullifying us to a good degree, is a fair representation that fits what I have seen on the TV screen. For the record, in similar matches last year, we didn't even reach 1 xg sometimes so there is positive trend recognizable.Understat had xg as 0.59 - 2.26 last week and 1.80 - 0.94 yesterday (yes I know there will be different figures from different sites).
He won a fecking CL. That's all it matters. If Ole wins something no one will question his bus parking tactics.After beating the worst Madrid side in decades and pep dropping a a huge bollock in the final.
People make it sound like he came in and steam rollered everybody. He basically parked the for 3 months.
Ole parks the bus and the caf loses its shit.
Like Ive said, downplaying Chelsea winning the Champions league against City, after knocking out Madrid, when we cant even win the Europa against Villarreal is sad.After beating the worst Madrid side in decades and pep dropping a a huge bollock in the final.
People make it sound like he came in and steam rollered everybody. He basically parked the for 3 months.
Ole parks the bus and the caf loses its shit.
Ofcourse we are better from a point standpoint and I will give him that for making a regular top 4 contender.Do you think we are better or worse than when he took over?
And there go the goalposts again.He won a fecking CL. That's all it matters. If Ole wins something no one will question his bus parking tactics.
So what exactly are you crying about then?Ofcourse we are better from a point standpoint and I will give him that for making a regular top 4 contender.
But you have to draw a line and say, let's think ahead. Now show us improvement on what we had already. The other managers are Klopp, Tuchel and Pep. I would rate all of them above Ole . So unless the team shows that on the pitch how can you make it happen?
We’ve had a better start to the season than all of those sides, whilst having Rashford, McTominay etc injured and Ronaldo still to come in.Ofcourse we are better from a point standpoint and I will give him that for making a regular top 4 contender.
But you have to draw a line and say, let's think ahead. Now show us improvement on what we had already. The other managers are Klopp, Tuchel and Pep. I would rate all of them above Ole . So unless the team shows that on the pitch how can you make it happen?
Lampard simply lost the players and the dressingroom in the end. In Manchester, Ole enjoys the confidence and the support of everyone.Lampard also clearly underperformed, though. He had the 4th best team in the league and then spent 250 million in one summer on top of this. And he didn't really overpay for any these players either. At that stage you have no business falling out of the top 4, which he looked like doing.
You could argue that he might have turned things around, but Chelsea are known for being particularly impatient with their managers.
Disingenuous. Amad is the sort of young signing that folk have been giving the club pelters for not signing for years. So when we do, and (naturally) the player doesn’t immediately break into the first team, using that as a stick to beat the manager with re. transfer spend just smacks of an agenda. A club signing made for the long term. That’s wise.Ole bought VdB and Amad for £80 million combined - doesn't play the former and is loaning the latter. We could've used that money far more effectively.
You're one in here who needs to stop posting such bollox. Time to grow up.This season Ole will prove them all wrong, and when the day comes, apologies not accepted.
Spot on.It was a poor performance and a good result, we have very good team so expectations should be higher. Yeah we have weak position like CM but that shouldn't be an excuse. Every team has one but it's up to manager to cover that with his set up.
Sure it is better than when he took over, who is seriously denying that? The question raised is, could we have elevated even more by now. I am sure you understand that that isn't the same thing.Do you think we are better or worse than when he took over?
Because when we park the bus, we are still leaking chances rendering that approach so often useless in the past.After beating the worst Madrid side in decades and pep dropping a a huge bollock in the final.
People make it sound like he came in and steam rollered everybody. He basically parked the for 3 months.
Ole parks the bus and the caf loses its shit.
We played Leeds, Southampton, Wolves.We’ve had a better start to the season than all of those sides, whilst having Rashford, McTominay etc injured and Ronaldo still to come in.
Wolves isn't a big game? They also hammered spurs last week but failed to score.We played Leeds, Southampton, Wolves.
City played Tottenham, Norwich, Arsenal.
Chelsea played Palace, Arsenal, Liverpool.
Liverpool played Norwich, Burnley, Chelsea.
So those teams had some big games on the schedule already.
Just for context.
Xg honestly, what a load of waffle. How many games have finished 3.2 - 2.6?Sure it is better than when he took over, who is seriously denying that? The question raised is, could we have elevated even more by now. I am sure you understand that that isn't the same thing.
Because when we park the bus, we are still leaking chances rendering that approach so often useless in the past.
Also calling Tuchels football park the bus is a bit misleading. I have no problems to agree that isn't the most entertaining thing to watch but he a) managed to set up his team to deny opposition goal chances (xga <1 in all but 3 matches after his takeover, all comps, highest xga in a 2-5 loss to Westbrom, and often restricting the opponent to xga below 0.5) and b) to set the team up to create chances to score (only 4 times below 1.0 xg). Chelsea ended the season with an xg of 64 (City 73.3, Pool 72.6, United 60.2) and an xga of 32.8 (City 31.4, Pool 45.3, United 42.2). So I would say, they were a team pretty good in the key aspects, create chances and block opposition chances. Dont want to deny that Chelsea ended up with 58 goals scored compared to United 73, but that had more to do with them no being able to convert chances than with creating them.
Tbf I'd rather play Arse than Wolves atmWe played Leeds, Southampton, Wolves.
City played Tottenham, Norwich, Arsenal.
Chelsea played Palace, Arsenal, Liverpool.
Liverpool played Norwich, Burnley, Chelsea.
So those teams had some big games on the schedule already.
Just for context.
Since when Wolves a relegation fodder team?Wolves isn't a big game? They also hammered spurs last week but failed to score.
Also context.
Theyre not though are they.Since when Wolves a relegation fodder team?
Why me?You're one in here who needs to stop posting such bollox. Time to grow up.
