Words like ‘coloured’ have long since become outdated. Coloured implied that ‘white’ was normal while anyone non white implied ‘imperfect’. Everyone has a ‘colour.’He needs to keep up but why does he need to keep up? Why do we have to change what’s acceptable and what isn’t? Ok, don’t use n words but what’s wrong with the other words?
In this day and age you can’t ignore anything of the sort. Sanctions are up to clubs or governing bodies. If I uttered anything derogatory, as a teacher id be suspended. So the FA have a duty to uphold their belief that football should be free from racism and their support of inclusion. If they didn’t, how would his black/ Asian colleagues feel if he said something questionable but got away with it. Ollie Robinson was brought to book by the MCC over historical tweets and even his parents were shocked and disappointed in him. He had to answer to them as well.The FA should be ignoring this stuff. Unless they did it when they were a registered professional footballer and of course an adult. Kids say and do stupid shit all the time.
Sactioning them 10 years later is just them wanting to be seen to be doing something.
It’s weird really that society uses ‘black’ and ‘white’, when in reality it’s actually ‘brown’ and ‘pink’…Words like ‘coloured’ have long since become outdated. Coloured implied that ‘white’ was normal while anyone non white implied ‘imperfect’. Everyone has a ‘colour.’
It’s also associated with segregation in the US. It has a different connotation in SA where it can describe people of multiple heritages. Far better to use the word black.
Yep. I was going to post similar.In this day and age you can’t ignore anything of the sort. Sanctions are up to clubs or governing bodies. If I uttered anything derogatory, as a teacher id be suspended. So the FA have a duty to uphold their belief that football should be free from racism and their support of inclusion. If they didn’t, how would his black/ Asian colleagues feel if he said something questionable but got away with it. Ollie Robinson was brought to book by the MCC over historical tweets and even his parents were shocked and disappointed in him. He had to answer to them as well.
Things aren’t as simple these days for sportspeople. As an international you are under constant scrutiny
Comedy. The FA clearly don’t know who they are or what role they should play. If We could prove every Word every player / manager said when they were young, there would be 99% of players suspended.https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58435485
Marc Bola: Middlesbrough defender charged by FA over nine-year-old social media post
He was 14 when he made the post.
Maybe those people would say, yeah, that was ten years ago, he was just a kid. It's not who he is now.In this day and age you can’t ignore anything of the sort. Sanctions are up to clubs or governing bodies. If I uttered anything derogatory, as a teacher id be suspended. So the FA have a duty to uphold their belief that football should be free from racism and their support of inclusion. If they didn’t, how would his black/ Asian colleagues feel if he said something questionable but got away with it. Ollie Robinson was brought to book by the MCC over historical tweets and even his parents were shocked and disappointed in him. He had to answer to them as well.
Things aren’t as simple these days for sportspeople. As an international you are under constant scrutiny
Ahham, and how is people of colour still acceptable? I don’t get why coloured is imperfect, I prefer coloured things over white things. And how is black and white better? It implies that black is somehow worse, doesn’t it? No matter what word you use, someone very sensitive will always think you mean something bad.Words like ‘coloured’ have long since become outdated. Coloured implied that ‘white’ was normal while anyone non white implied ‘imperfect’. Everyone has a ‘colour.’
It’s also associated with segregation in the US. It has a different connotation in SA where it can describe people of multiple heritages. Far better to use the word black.
This is my opinion as well. I wonder who actually goes digging these things up. I feel genuinely sorry for that person.If anyone is genuinely offended by what a young teenager tweeted back in 2012 or whatever, they should probably seek some sort of counselling.
There will always be people doing this. Question is will they be taken seriously. And yes, the FA took it seriously.This is my opinion as well. I wonder who actually goes digging these things up. I feel genuinely sorry for that person.
Don't think it's sweeping to say that no-one from within the FA seems to have any understanding of how to engage with racism beyond punishing players for tweets.‘ most of the football establishment’ Rather a sweeping generalisation.
The chairman stepped down not due to racist comments but used offensive and outdated terminology not fitting for a person in his position. His stereotyping of certain ethnic groups marked him out as a dinosaur and rooted
in a culture more in keeping with the 1970s and 80s. It’s not comparable with the disgusting and dangerous posts made by keyboard warriors
Of this generation
I thought the issues were more about how he spoke about Asian American and LGBTQ footballers. In an inquiry into equality and diversity in football he said that the lack of Asian and LGBTQ players wasn't really an issue because those people just aren't interested in playing football. And he said that being LGBTQ was a 'lifestyle choice' in a parliamentary inquiry into discrimination and diversity in the game. That's not just using the wrong terminology, that's expressing really retrograde opinions.Yeah. The quote he had to resign for was: "If I look at what happens to high-profile female footballers, to high-profile coloured footballers, and the abuse they take on social media... social media is a free-for-all."
He said he'd worked for years in America, were that was the politically correct term they were trained to use, and had accidentally used it in that moment. TBH, changing terminology is one of the very difficult things to keep up with atm - words / terms that were pushed as acceptable become offensive, and vice versa. Words that are still offensive, but used freely by some members of the abused group, but that are still shocking when used by others, etc. In certain situations, when trying 100% not to offend, it's very difficult to know what word is currently the accepted one to use and which one, used in innocence, may offend (for instance, when discussing the Paralympics).
But in his high profile role he obviously needs to keep up with which terminology is the accepted / unaccepted one within each country and use / not use them as appropriate. Still, it's a bit unfair if his failed attempt at using a PC term is remembered as him 'saying a load of racist and homophobic things' as if he'd gone on some kind of rant and revealed himself as a bigot.
The ones digging them up are probably bitter, miserable rival fans for the most part. But they know if they find a tweet with a homophobic or racist slur there are enough sad acts on twitter to turn a teenagers' meaningless 10 year old tweet into a big deal. And the FA are so desperate to look woke that at the very least they'll respond with a charge and token sanction for every single one. Context doesn't matter.This is my opinion as well. I wonder who actually goes digging these things up. I feel genuinely sorry for that person.
And I think the Uk is unique in that. Most countries have statutes of limitationsMaybe those people would say, yeah, that was ten years ago, he was just a kid. It's not who he is now.
It's like charging an adult for assualt ten years after he punched another kid in the school yard at the age of 14.
They should be looking forward and promoting measures for the future not trying to look good, like they are actually doing something, by charging adults for words posted on social media as kids that are now being taken out of of context.
Think I made my point in the post. If you want to describe African American/ British Asian/ Asian/ African or indigenous peoples as coloured go aheadAhham, and how is people of colour still acceptable? I don’t get why coloured is imperfect, I prefer coloured things over white things. And how is black and white better? It implies that black is somehow worse, doesn’t it? No matter what word you use, someone very sensitive will always think you mean something bad.
I didn’t say I want to I just don’t get why it’s worse than people of colour. Uses colour the same way.Think I made my point in the post. If you want to describe African American/ British Asian/ Asian/ African or indigenous peoples as coloured go ahead
For the record People of colour is becoming dated too. I don’t actually know what or whom it’s referring to. We are all of colour and to draw a distinction between what we may term ‘white’ and the rest of the human race as ‘of colour’is a bit glibI didn’t say I want to I just don’t get why it’s worse than people of colour. Uses colour the same way.
It's just an arbitrary distinction that obviously makes no sense.I didn’t say I want to I just don’t get why it’s worse than people of colour. Uses colour the same way.
For the record People of colour is becoming dated too. I don’t actually know what or whom it’s referring to. We are all of colour and to draw a distinction between what we may term ‘white’ and the rest of the human race as ‘of colour’is a bit glib
Well, technically white isn't a colour - so in theory, it could make sense to distinguish between "white" and "coloured".We are all of colour and to draw a distinction between what we may term ‘white’ and the rest of the human race as ‘of colour’is a bit glib
Yes but people from south India and Sri Lanka have long had a thing about skin colour within their own community. Lightness of skin colour has long been seen as ‘attractive ‘ within the community. Jokes are prevalent. I should know, I’m from the Dravidian background myself. My cousin suffered terrible comments about her skin colour as she is as dark as many Tamils. What’s self deprecating humour for some is racism to othersI think what you're describing is predominantly a "What do white people refer to other people as so white people won't be offended on behalf of others" problem.
One of my best friends is from Sri Lanka and he jokes about his skincolor literally all the time.
Which is the point I made earlierWell, technically white isn't a colour - so in theory, it could make sense to distinguish between "white" and "coloured".
In practice, it obviously makes zero sense, though - for a number of reasons: for one thing "white" people aren't actually white (as in the colour...er, I mean the non-colour).
It's also - obviously - a term designed by one group in order to distinguish themselves (positively) from all the others who were not lucky enough to be "white" - or "non-coloured".
Sure, I wasn't disagreeing. Just making a (probably unnecessary and silly) point about white not being a colour technically.Which is the point I made earlier
Or professional people, i.e. journos.There’s a lot of very odd people who make it their duty to report meaningless content like this and cry *insert in vogue social justice topic*
I'm always hesitant to comment on such issues, but if that's the case, then it's not as outrageous as it's being made out to be. I don't understand why people are already outraged even before the FA decides if he'll be punished or not. There's a lot of hysteria over these issues and the FA will be accused of turning a blind eye if they don't investigate the post after it was reported.In the Jordan Bowen instance, they took his age into consideration and just warned him and he had to attend an education course. The same should apply here. If they dismiss it entirely, then it would send out the message that tweets deemed racist are worse than tweets deemed homophobic. Which seems an unnecessary distinction to make.
One was 14, one 15. One tweet deemed racist, the other homophobic. Both from 9 years ago. I can't see how they can justify treating Bola any more leniently than Bowen as it would send out an unnecessary message about how differently they regard instances of racism and homophobia.
So I'm expecting a warning and a ruling of attending an education course, same as the Bowen tweet.
