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Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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It’s not strange at all but posters do like to position themselves as above a perspective so no surprise. I’m not doing a blow by blow analysis, I’m commenting on a ridiculous comment but if you want to focus on his trophy comments, it would have been nice for him to have shown that against Sevilla, Villarreal or Leicester or is he only suddenly obligated?
But back to the topic at hand. We just lost to Villa & the man wants to talk about how well his midfield that did nothing with the ball, ‘broke up play’. It isn’t just A press conference, the man spouts empty platitudes at every turn. I don’t expect him to lay into the duo, they have their uses but it says everything about the duo when they’re praised in a loss for their work off the ball.
It’s always ‘just a freaking press conference, or ‘just a post match interview’, or ‘just one loss’ with some. It’s in bad taste to assume someone would take that one comment to task when the man has been in charge for years delivering similar sound bites.
At the age of 48, three Champions League trophies, two Club World Cups, two UEFA Super Cups, two Spanish Super Cups and two LaLiga titles plus a preferred formation of 4-3-3 attacking will do for me unless there’s any better suggestions I’m missing.
On your grounds, Pep’s record should just be expected yet I’d have him at Old Trafford tomorrow too not that that will happen obviously.
Just for my understanding, what do you want him to say when asked about McFred?
He is just answering questions
he was asked about Mctominay and Fred’s contribution so he naturally talked about some of their contributions. I personally think it’s weird to hang on every word of his to then criticise him for Errm being positive? But you do you.Your understanding would be helped if you read posts in their entirety.
I’m judging what he did say, not sure what relevance I would say &/or would want him to say have here. He can say what he likes, just as people will hear what he says & form opinions.
Surely McFred isn't needed for Villarreal???? I don't see them having a lot of the ball that we need to urgently 'break up their play', especially at Old Trafford
I don’t hang on his every word. I’ve taken exception to something he did say.He is just answering questions
The fact your initial asked why I didn’t address something else he has said would mean I don’t ‘hang on his every word’, no? But you’ve quoted me so need to come out on top somehow.
You’re hanging on more of my words than I have his, move on.
""We have an obligation to win here in a certain style, sometimes that is risky and you lose one or two."
I literally laughed out loud. If we played beautiful football I would be getting a lot of enjoyment from watching, win, lose or draw. But instead it's pretty ugly to watch, Leeds aside (and no one else will play so openly against us).
I literally laughed out loud. If we played beautiful football I would be getting a lot of enjoyment from watching, win, lose or draw. But instead it's pretty ugly to watch, Leeds aside (and no one else will play so openly against us).
That's how I would take that, not the pace of the attacks, more not thinking things through. Taking shots instead of having a look around to see if someone is in a better position. If he is saying that to the players though they could be misunderstanding him. He doesn't make himself really clear. We don't want the attacks slowing down, just more intelligence shown.
Aye, it's maybe just how he phrased it.
think we need to face facts that if both are fit they will always play no matter the opposition.
we could be playing Accrington Stanley under 21s and he’d still play them two headless chickens.
I've actually edited the post a couple of times now. He needs to make himself really clear. A lot of the things he says can be open to misinterpretation, which is alright if that happens with fans. You do not want it happening with your players.
I read that and that's why I'm interested. You don't expect Ole to lay into them, and have an issue with praise. What answer would have satisfied you?
I've been reading people criticize Ole for not being honest in his PCs for quite some time, and that's why I'm interested in hearing what answers are now acceptable to our fans
You'd think he'd be drilling into the players over the last 3 years that every game at this club is must win. Let alone when you've lost your opening game against the weakest team in the group. Remember, it's in our 'DNA'. Why is he obsessed with constantly lowering expectations? Even when we were top last season with more than half of the season gone, he would repeat that we're not in a title challenge.
He's done well with player recruitment, but for me, doesn't have that elite mindset that sets the like of Pep, Klopp and Tuchel apart. And I'd argue it's shown in the number of semi-final defeats he's had to swallow.
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I'm just not a fan of listening to him in general. I don't mean for that to be misconstrued as any big deal, because it isn't. However, I've always found him to be very awkward, and he can come across a tad bit strange in interviews. Maybe it's a cultural thing or whatever, but I profess that I don't always 'get him'.
There are times that he doesn't do himself any favours by what he says, but again, it could just be a cultural thing and it comes across as he's saying something different.
This. I get that Ole is on thin ice right now with a lot of people, but we dont really need to make mountains out of molehills. He always praises his players in public, as does 99% of managers.
He does not need to say they're shit. We have the caf for that
Listen to him talk in general and you'll understand him fantastically, or when we're winning. He only waffles when he's under pressure and so its difficult to understand what he's trying to get across because its just woff
It could be. The number of times people say something on here that is completely inoffensive and someone takes offense. The number of times people don't realise someone is being sarcastic.
Think you will find that with most people.
"Desire, passion, energy, United DNA.."
Like listening some small club manager
Like listening some small club manager
He should never be mentioned in the same breath as Pep, Klopp and Tuchel imo, let alone Fergie. But Ole inners love the comparison too much.The club could keep losing to fodder clubs and when pressure is yet again mounting on Ole, he somehow manages to win a league game against Liverpool or Chelsea once, and suddenly the same culprits will be shouting that ‘Ole is back’ , ‘Ole is better than Klopp/Tuchel’ etc whilst we continue to extend our trophyless run. It’s grim mate. Of course I would love to be proven wrong. But it certainly looks very grim.
I am waiting for one of the stupid journalist to actually have the guts to ask him what United DNA is. From what Sir Matt Busby said it was entertaining football. SAF would likely say winning, competing, trophies. Ole is not delivering most of that at the moment.
what do you mean on my grounds?
That is right , his team selection and subs were always questionable.
However last season, you could argue he had one or may be 2 very good player in each area so he could not do much. For eg., in the defence Maguire and Lindelof needed protection last season so may be we need 2 defensive midfields to protect them
This season, there is no excuse for this. We have solid defense, we signed specialist right winger so there is no reason to atleast try 2 attacking CMs instead of 2 defensive ones.
Pep has won multiple trophies with an outstanding set of players and a large cheque book too like Zidane did. Still takes a great manager/coach to bring a bunch of superstars together into a team.
Pep's done it with 3 sides though, Zidane's done it with 1
How was that untrue? Where did he mention pace?
exactly. And we are stretched and unbalanced when we loose the ball again. We are good on fast transitions, but we can’t keep doing the same thing over and over again. People like to take everything he says and make a spin on it.
Pep’s only won the champions league with one side, Jose has won it with two, does that make Jose better than Pep?
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Who the feck are you and what are you on about?
Winning a cup competition even the UCL is no where near comparable with building the sides Pep has done at Barca, then Bayern and now at City. The fact Mourinho won the UCL with the sides he did is clear proof of that (Di Matteo as well)
I’m the person who clearly took your point and tossed it in the bin where it belongs, and now you don’t know how to respond like an adult. Grow up.
3 loses out of 4 out of a cup, a loss in the CL puts him under huge pressure in this match. If we don’t win tomorrow we our in serious trouble and not getting out of this group is a sackable offense
You've tossed my point that Pep building the sides he has at Barca, Bayern and City is a far greater accomplishment than Mourinho winning a couple of UCL's with Porto and Inter in the bin?
They don’t? From what I’m watching they are. Just look at champions league tonight. Players coming back late are still working on form.How come other manages have no problem bringing players up to speed?
Ole is a long time in the job relatively and its the same merry-go-round.
The only comedy in here is you calling the defence rock solid
Really not helping himself here with the McFred comments. Energy and desire is good, but they lack the talent and ability to succeed at this club.
Also I hate the idea of managers challenging for points totals, which he brings up often. He keeps bringing up how many points we should get and its frankly annoying to listen to. I'd rather we take each game as they come and try to win what's in front of us, rather than this idea of "oh we lost, well we're still aiming for these many points"
Also I hate the idea of managers challenging for points totals, which he brings up often. He keeps bringing up how many points we should get and its frankly annoying to listen to. I'd rather we take each game as they come and try to win what's in front of us, rather than this idea of "oh we lost, well we're still aiming for these many points"
What the hell do people expect him to say? After 3 years it’s pretty evident he is protecting the players he has at his disposal. He said the same about Sanchez, one week later he was sold. Young. Lukaku. Pereira.. Come on! Vise up!
Your argument for chequebook Pep is daft, get over it! Despite spending over £1 billion, he could only thank Messi for delivering him 2 champions league titles! It’s easy to build a side with a blank cheque. Zidane squeezed every bit of potential out of that Madrid squad and more, he deserves respect.You've tossed my point that Pep building the sides he has at Barca, Bayern and City is a far greater accomplishment than Mourinho winning a couple of UCL's with Porto and Inter in the bin?
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People are bang on when they say Moyes would get crucified for saying it's not a must win game on the eve of a match, yes I know we can't take things he says in pressers seriously however don't feel it sends out the right message to the players. I admire the fans who think what he said about Mcfred being his first choice pair is just for lip service like we saw with Sanchez, would love to be proved wrong on this but fear he's telling the truth and Donny hasn't a chance of getting a regular place over them. Something he might also want to consider is that his beloved pair look absolutely dreadful when we are facing a low block but he is too stubborn to change it.
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Yeah can't see that changing until we either have a new manager or maybe finally sign a DM next summer
At this point I'd rather a new manager.
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