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We look so lost out there, it hurts. When we attack the players are lost hence we play a long ball and hope for the best
But someone just said "we were excellent" as he has just seen the match after work.We look so lost out there, it hurts. When we attack the players are lost hence we play a long ball and hope for the best
He got credit that he has Pep in his pocket, but not everybody he faces is Pep so he is still clueless overall. If he faced 19 Pep he would won the league though. What he does versus other team is what matters. Fergie often lose big matches against Chelsea and Liverpool but in the end it does not matter because he won the rest of the games against weaker sidesNo, nor for beating pep three times last season. Nor for anything
Nonsense.Yesterday game we actually playing 4141. I can imagine why our coaching team pick this tactics: to counter Emery's 3 MCs in diamond shape, high press and out number them in mid-field to get on the front foot. We all see the reality that, Pogba/Ronaldo did not press at all for whatever reason, Bruno just went too high and lost his man constantly, then we basically left the midfield wild open for Villarreal, until their stamina dropped around 65 mins.
You can just tell how naive our tactics always were: good on paper but never drilled well to make it work. We always lose 1 goal first because we were tactically beaten in the 1st half, then relied on player quality to come back in 2nd half.
Well, he shouldn't get credit for something that didn't happen.No, nor for beating pep three times last season. Nor for anything
His record against Guardiola is 4-1-3. It's good, yeah, but hardly 'in his pocket'. At Old Trafford, it's 1-1-3 - basically, based on recent history, the away team is the favourite in Manchester derbies.He got credit that he has Pep in his pocket
I don't see how you can announce victory on our tactics when they created so many chances while we barely had any. If we dealt with counter attack well, De Gea should have no work to do; Instead, he had to give Man-of-the-match performance to keep us alive.Nonsense.
Villareal set up to counter. Look at that narrow lines from top to defense in their own half. We barely got 1 v 1 chances for all position. Counter attack is something we have to deal with in this game.
We dealt it well, De Gea dealt it brilliantly.
Villareal seems easy to break us down because we're the ones pushing all game, looked easier for them because of the spaces we left behind, it's end to end stuff. Getting chances in this game is hard, because it was set up that way by Emery.
We won at the end against those cowardly and cnutish tactics, rejoice.
When all your attacking players except for 1 CDM line up in a straight line along with the opposition's back line you know it's over for a manager.
It's downed tools and a refusal to be involved in whatever 'formation tactic' Ole has set out for that game.
The effort and commitment to get a winner going into the final 95th minute and then the celebrations clearly showed the players have downed tools. Funny isn’t it.
The posts have hit a new low in here now!
What part of the celebrations at the end do you think showed they downed tools?
Exactly! A 4-2-4 is what we have been playing, and yesterday it was often 4-0-6 because McT didn't know how to play the no.6 and Bruno, as usual, thinks he is the second striker. Ole said McT found himself on his own. Well, who put him there? Why didn't he start Matic against a counter-attacking team who don't press so much? There is no other big club in the world that would put up with such naivety from its coaching staff.We’re not improving either. These are the same flaws we had two years ago, just with better players. If anything, the problem is more acute. When we had the likes of Mata, Pereira or Lingard in the team, we actually had more bodies in midfield areas because of how they play. As we’ve upgraded (thankfully) to other players, we have fewer players who even want to play in the middle. In recent weeks we’ve resembled a 4-2-4. Yesterday we sometimes resembled a 4-1-5. Bruno, I love him, but someone has to have a word with him. We need him in the middle of the park. We know he wants to win by scoring and assisting, but he'll get more chances to do that if we have control.
My only comfort is that, in the coming difficult run, we'll be more often forced to play on the counter anyway due to the quality of the teams, which is where our team is at their best. In that situation, you react to what the opposition does and look for a quick counter. Reacting is our forte. But in the long run, this lack of control is going to cost us. We need to put it right.
That's Ole, the Manchester United manager joking about not knowing what his players are doing on the training pitch. Sounds about right."They [Fernandes and Telles] are good mates, and they probably practised yesterday without me knowing."
Absolutely agree. At times the game yesterday felt like 2010 Barca playing Stoke or something. And we would not be Barca in that comparison.After last night I don’t think anyone can seriously claim that Ole’s coaching style sets us up for success. Control in this kind of game never seems to happen. An elite team would start the game focussed on bossing the middle of the park and dominating play. We go out and look like all we care about is getting it up top. But midfield is the platform for both attack and defence, and the way we ignore it has ramifications at both ends. As Jamie Jackson put it in the Guardian, “dazed in defence and dizzy in attack, lacking composure where it matters.” If you're not solid in the middle it's tough to sustain pressure in the attack.
We’re not improving either. These are the same flaws we had two years ago, just with better players. If anything, the problem is more acute. When we had the likes of Mata, Pereira or Lingard in the team, we actually had more bodies in midfield areas because of how they play. As we’ve upgraded (thankfully) to other players, we have fewer players who even want to play in the middle. In recent weeks we’ve resembled a 4-2-4. Yesterday we sometimes resembled a 4-1-5. Bruno, I love him, but someone has to have a word with him. We need him in the middle of the park. We know he wants to win by scoring and assisting, but he'll get more chances to do that if we have control.
Watching Villarreal was particularly depressing. They’re not even that good, but the coaching was evident. A player receives the ball and you can see the two or three players closest to him respond automatically to move into a position to receive the next ball. The next guy gets the ball and the players around him move again into set positions to receive another pass and keep it moving. The ball moves into a wide attacking area and the guy knows where his colleagues are moving towards. This is not high brow stuff, the preserve of world-class footballers only. Almost none of their team are getting in ours. This is something any team can achieve. In our case, either Ole isn't even trying, or he's trying but failing. Neither of those makes sense to me, but you can see with your own eyes what the results are.
My only comfort is that, in the coming difficult run, we'll be more often forced to play on the counter anyway due to the quality of the teams, which is where our team is at their best. In that situation, you react to what the opposition does and look for a quick counter. Reacting is our forte. But in the long run, this lack of control is going to cost us. We need to put it right.
That's the good thing about most of the posts in this thread... no hyperbole and plenty of balance.Absolutely agree. At times the game yesterday felt like 2010 Barca playing Stoke or something. And we would not be Barca in that comparison.
Our formation and tactics are all over the place. What the hell was the idea behind the midfield? Pogba played as additional attacker most of the time, McTominay hided between the Villareal strikers and was nowhere near what could be called a 6. Villareal played through our lines with ease.
Also in the final third there seems to be a lot of confusion what to do in certain situations.
The United DNA! Gary knows what the DNA is and how United plays!Been like this much of his tenure. Play like crap, just about get over the line, everyone has to pretend there’s no issue.
Better than disastrous is good enough because…United way, or something.
Some people dont like to face reality or say as long as it is a win, I dont care.But someone just said "we were excellent" as he has just seen the match after work.
Really not sure what match was he watching.
Easily. Cannot believe anyone watched that game and thought "That's impressive from us. I'd like to see more of such performances at OT".Some people dont like to face reality or say as long as it is a win, I dont care.
It was a shitty performance and if Villareal could finish their chances, we could have lost 2-0 or 3-0
Shock news, players practice stuff on the training ground between themselves. This is groundbreaking stuff, and we've got video evidence to prove it.Exactly! A 4-2-4 is what we have been playing, and yesterday it was often 4-0-6 because McT didn't know how to play the no.6 and Bruno, as usual, thinks he is the second striker. Ole said McT found himself on his own. Well, who put him there? Why didn't he start Matic against a counter-attacking team who don't press so much? There is no other big club in the world that would put up with such naivety from its coaching staff.
Also:
That's Ole, the Manchester United manager joking about not knowing what his players are doing on the training pitch. Sounds about right.
In our current starting 11, 7 out of 10 outfield players are ones who Ole bought or promoted from within the club. Yet his supporters want more time and more players (after 3 years) to see if we can have a pattern of breaking down low block, better pressing, and handling high press ourselves.Villarreal looked comfortably the better team for 60mins yesterday and the only surprise was they didn’t score more.
Whoever watched yesterday’s game and still thinks that if you swap McTominay for Rice suddenly all problems are resolved and we’ll start playing proper football… then I have a unicorn to sell you.
This thread is full of objectivity.Easily. Cannot believe anyone watched that game and thought "That's impressive from us. I'd like to see more of such performances at OT".
Some will support Ole come what may, and that's fine, but at least assess the performance objectively instead of blindly saying we were good.
This is the only way Ole is going to succeed at this club, otherwise his luck will run out eventually. Only so long you can get away with relying on individual brilliance.He brought in a set piece coach and it seemed to bring fruits. If he wants to keep his job, he has to bring in a passing coach, a defensive pressing coach and a attacking coach to name a few.
I've been on the fence about this for a while because i dont have a fecking clue about football coaching, but its clear for everyone to see something not right
Wasnt it said on here that Ole does very little of the actual coaching? Not trying to absolve him here, because hes in charge, but we cant keep playing like this and unless hes blind he has to see that as well.
This.I don't mind about Ole being the manager but the coaching staff have to do a lot better.
If they need(and they are...) just add another coach(or even 2) to the stuff.
To see united play and not dominant enough is very hard to watch. Don't get me wrong - Its not "LVG or Jose Hard" because that was unbearable but its hard enough...
On the attack its like : "Give the ball to Bruno and Ronaldo, and pray", and on the other end our overall defense shape is even worse
Well the performance can be discussed objectively. That's exactly what I said.This thread is full of objectivity.
We've had performances like this plenty of times throughout Ole's tenure.To pretend that its always been like this during Ole's tenure is about as disingenuous as saying this is just a blip. We played far better than this, with better control at the back and coherence in attack while our main failing was consistency and random downturns in form.
If nothing else, the squad under Ole has always been up for a fight and wouldn't be late to tackles or challenges, or be lethargic in pressing with the wingers not tracking back enough. This season feels a lot more disjointed, a lot more players look fatigued, out of form or plain not ready for the onslaught of fixtures. Its being exacerbated by Ole not rotating the squad enough and riding Bruno, Greenwood, Ronaldo, Maguire, AWB and Shaw for their entire worth. Ferguson, after a major international tournament wouldn't even play his senior players for close to 4 weeks into the season.
Or we just get in a manager that does all of that?He brought in a set piece coach and it seemed to bring fruits. If he wants to keep his job, he has to bring in a passing coach, a defensive pressing coach and a attacking coach to name a few.
I've been on the fence about this for a while because i dont have a fecking clue about football coaching, but its clear for everyone to see something not right
Wasnt it said on here that Ole does very little of the actual coaching? Not trying to absolve him here, because hes in charge, but we cant keep playing like this and unless hes blind he has to see that as well.