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Toon fans will just accuse everyone of being jealous like City fans did when their owners were criticised. They're about to get insufferable real quick.
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“Nothing but pain”I am pleased for the Newcastle fans who have had nothing but pain under this Ashley regime, you also get the impression that those die hard fans of theirs like the guy from the Kick Off youtube channel are fully aware of the sportswashing involved though
Spot onThe difference between Newcastle fans and the average Uk citizen who doesn’t take to the streets over their countries relationship with Saudi is that the average Uk citizen isn’t being cynically weaponised in a PR battle. The Saudis brought the club to launder their reputation. They know that this is the best way to instantly generate an army of advocates online. Shouting down criticism of their human rights abuses and parroting whatever talking points they want in the media that week to defend their latest atrocities.
Those fans are being used in the most blatant and depressing manner. Used to whitewash ongoing state sanctioned humans rights abuses that vastly exceed anything the UK government has done in the recent past. They’ve become pawns of genuinely evil people. If they don’t even take a moment to think about what it means to be used in that manner then more fool them.
I mean, if you really want to, Shirley.so only clubs owned by oil rich states? what about clubs lower down the leagues that are owned by very wealthy folk, should they be boycotted as well for the sake of the game. Or is it just the middle eastern owners we have a problem with?
having read eamon dunphys book (a strange kind of glory), which laid bare the nature of football from 60s onwards at OT and elsewhere, the soul of football was given away (or should i say sold off) a long time ago.
moaning at newcastle is now just shouting at clouds.
Well, the first name I heard them linked with was Martial - if that's where they are aiming, we needn't worry for a while!It took Chelsea 2 years to win the league, City 4. Chelsea also got to the semi finals of the champions league the year before. The new owners made an instant impact. The only difference here is the season has begun and Newcastle are struggling near the bottom. There is no doubt that they will be looking to spend big in January and tighten the ship before going bonkers next summer.
There are much easier ways to launder their reputation. That has always been a silly argument. For every convert to the House of Saud's ways there'll be 10 fans suddenly turned foreign policy critic of the regime. If bad publicity is bad, they were better off avoiding the spotlight and going about business as usual with the UK government (who's citizens en masse didn't give a feck about such relations, conveniently until they bought a football club)The difference between Newcastle fans and the average Uk citizen who doesn’t take to the streets over their countries relationship with Saudi is that the average Uk citizen isn’t being cynically weaponised in a PR battle. The Saudis brought the club to launder their reputation. They know that this is the best way to instantly generate an army of advocates online. Shouting down criticism of their human rights abuses and parroting whatever talking points they want in the media that week to defend their latest atrocities.
Those fans are being used in the most blatant and depressing manner. Used to whitewash ongoing state sanctioned humans rights abuses that vastly exceed anything the UK government has done in the recent past. They’ve become pawns of genuinely evil people. If they don’t even take a moment to think about what it means to be used in that manner then more fool them.
Yes.
drawing the line. when the entire structure is pretty much rotten.I mean, if you really want to, Shirley.
One can certainly understand the viewpoint of someone such as yourself; but perhaps there’s a gap between Oh, let’s just roll over and die and here’s where we draw the line.
I'm not sure they can, I worked there when Shepherd was in charge and I'm sure there is some ancient statute that prevents it being purchased.They will soon
Nothing to do with how rich or where they are from, more to do with murder, tortue and human rightsso only clubs owned by oil rich states? what about clubs lower down the leagues that are owned by very wealthy folk, should they be boycotted as well for the sake of the game. Or is it just the middle eastern owners we have a problem with?
Martial would be a great buy for them, just the kind of player you need to show a bit of spirit and fight in a relegation battle.Well, the first name I heard them linked with was Martial - if that's where they are aiming, we needn't worry for a while!
On a personal level, I agree with you and perhaps even go much further; professional sports are a vestigial remnant of urges that have no place in a society that purports to base its justification on reason.drawing the line. when the entire structure is pretty much rotten.
Plenty of people have already expressed their disgust on here historically when rumours of buying MUFC were around. This is not something new that many are suddenly disgusted with because they wished it was their team instead of Newcastle.There are much easier ways to launder their reputation. That has always been a silly argument. For every convert to the House of Saud's ways there'll be 10 fans suddenly turned foreign policy critic of the regime. If bad publicity is bad, they were better off avoiding the spotlight and going about business as usual with the UK government (who's citizens en masse didn't give a feck about such relations, conveniently until they bought a football club)
Such as?Eh Im not talking about just Africa. It's just an example of a place that recently still has huge amounts of atrocities happening by the British just done on the low and swept under the carpet.
Off course the UK government is responsible for the death of hundreds of thousands of innocent lives not for long time ago. ِAre we going to take this thread to politics? better to transfer the thread in this case to the (events forum).Such as?
Like Abu Ghraib or say Guantanamo? or many of the their human rights outrages carried out by britain and its allies over the last decade?Nothing to do with how rich or where they are from, more to do with murder, tortue and human rights
im too thick to understand any of that.On a personal level, I agree with you and perhaps even go much further; professional sports are a vestigial remnant of urges that have no place in a society that purports to base its justification on reason.
That being said, different people "draw their lines" at different nodes. You've expressed that, for yourself, that "line" is ideally much more strict, and I'm all for listening to that too if you (or anyone) could come up with a structured proposal for their exclusion criteria, whatever that may be.
so the other 19 clubs are angry because Newcastle owners now have a lot more wealth than them. So at what wealth value would they have been ok with it? It another owner comes in and buys West Ham with a net worth of £500 billion, does everyone become ok with Newcastle and now get angry with West Ham?Because the 19 clubs are reportedly very angry the Saudis were allowed to takeover, this would be the ultimate way of showing that discontent
Like Abu Ghraib or say Guantanamo? or many of the their human rights outrages carried out by britain and its allies over the last decade?
Im no fan of MBS or his regime, but find the moralising about what happens under his watch a bit rich when its coming from britain, which created the Kingdom for its own ends and has supported it ever since.
All billionaires by virtue of being ruthless ultra capitalists or despotic leaders are scumbags. Most premier league clubs are now owned or indirectly supported by a billionaire.
not sure what evidence you have for that - he's doesn't appear to have much interest when he plays for usMartial would be a great buy for them, just the kind of player you need to show a bit of spirit and fight in a relegation battle.
Anyone who voted Labour should also be included, not only Tory governments have cosied up to the Saudis.on the other hand, why should NUFC fans be held to account, when the crown prince is so close to our politicians and the royal family. should everyone who voted tory or who supports the monarchy also do penance for their support of the evil regime (KSA that is, not queenie)
No, I disagree. Look at the boost to the reputation and status of the other gulf states since they bought football clubs. These projects are a very effective way of raising their profile and winning ‘fans’ all over the world.There are much easier ways to launder their reputation. That has always been a silly argument. For every convert to the House of Saud's ways there'll be 10 fans suddenly turned foreign policy critic of the regime. If bad publicity is bad, they were better off avoiding the spotlight and going about business as usual with the UK government (who's citizens en masse didn't give a feck about such relations, conveniently until they bought a football club)
Indeed since this was announced I've seen many Newcastle fans on social media treat any criticism of the Saudi regime, their humans rights record etc as almost an attack on NUFC and rushing to the rescue with the usual whataboutisms like good little sportwashers.No, I disagree. Look at the boost to the reputation and status of the other gulf states since they bought football clubs. These projects are a very effective way of raising their profile and winning ‘fans’ all over the world.
I am not speaking on behalf of Britain, I am speaking on behalf of meLike Abu Ghraib or say Guantanamo? or many of the their human rights outrages carried out by britain and its allies over the last decade?
Im no fan of MBS or his regime, but find the moralising about what happens under his watch a bit rich when its coming from britain, which created the Kingdom for its own ends and has supported it ever since.
All billionaires by virtue of being ruthless ultra capitalists or despotic leaders are scumbags. Most premier league clubs are now owned or indirectly supported by a billionaire.
Which years though?I read all the comments here and what a joke! For years man utd spent more than anybody else, in your last game where you stole a point against everton your bench talent calued at 325m (more than nufc price) and you are talking about cannot compete??? You spend every summer more than anyone else.. you have 50m£ players on the bench every game and you complain about fairness..And it doesn’t matter at all what the source of the money, whatever saudi money or shirts in thailand. Long gone the days you dominant, face it.
They always were to be fair. I think of them as a big underachiever considering the club's size but their fans are a bit annoying. Fergie got irritated by them at times and Keano said "I always thought them an arrogant lot for a club that's never won feck all"Toon fans will just accuse everyone of being jealous like City fans did when their owners were criticised. They're about to get insufferable real quick.
You’re even seeing the Saudi flag on a load of profiles on Twitter. Can you imagine that happening in any other scenario?!Indeed since this was announced I've seen many Newcastle fans on social media treat any criticism of the Saudi regime, their humans rights record etc as almost an attack on NUFC and rushing to the rescue with the usual whataboutisms like good little sportwashers.
The saudis have been investing in various businesses all over the world for decades now. Why would a football club be any different from a plastics factory? They saw a good investment opportunity and they went for it I don’t like it because it potentially pushes us further away from the top but I didn’t have a problem with the saudis investing in the economy before this and I don’t see why I would suddenly develop one now.Indeed since this was announced I've seen many Newcastle fans on social media treat any criticism of the Saudi regime, their humans rights record etc as almost an attack on NUFC and rushing to the rescue with the usual whataboutisms like good little sportwashers.
FFS, “nothing but pain”. Get a gripI am pleased for the Newcastle fans who have had nothing but pain under this Ashley regime, you also get the impression that those die hard fans of theirs like the guy from the Kick Off youtube channel are fully aware of the sportswashing involved though
Not to mention the added kicker of an easy way into the local property market.No, I disagree. Look at the boost to the reputation and status of the other gulf states since they bought football clubs. These projects are a very effective way of raising their profile and winning ‘fans’ all over the world.
Good post.The difference between Newcastle fans and the average Uk citizen who doesn’t take to the streets over their countries relationship with Saudi is that the average Uk citizen isn’t being cynically weaponised in a PR battle. The Saudis brought the club to launder their reputation. They know that this is the best way to instantly generate an army of advocates online. Shouting down criticism of their human rights abuses and parroting whatever talking points they want in the media that week to defend their latest atrocities.
Those fans are being used in the most blatant and depressing manner. Used to whitewash ongoing state sanctioned humans rights abuses that vastly exceed anything the UK government has done in the recent past. They’ve become pawns of genuinely evil people. If they don’t even take a moment to think about what it means to be used in that manner then more fool them.
Ashley’s a twat and a terrible person but the idea that Newcastle’s time under him (spent mainly in mid-table security) was an unendurable burden is ridiculous.FFS, “nothing but pain”. Get a grip
Oh you mean when the UK started a decade long war based on lies that resulted in the deaths of thousands of people innocent people? No biggie. Or when you sold weapons to this same government knowing they're used to kill people in Yemen?The difference between Newcastle fans and the average Uk citizen who doesn’t take to the streets over their countries relationship with Saudi is that the average Uk citizen isn’t being cynically weaponised in a PR battle. The Saudis brought the club to launder their reputation. They know that this is the best way to instantly generate an army of advocates online. Shouting down criticism of their human rights abuses and parroting whatever talking points they want in the media that week to defend their latest atrocities.
Those fans are being used in the most blatant and depressing manner. Used to whitewash ongoing state sanctioned humans rights abuses that vastly exceed anything the UK government has done in the recent past. They’ve become pawns of genuinely evil people. If they don’t even take a moment to think about what it means to be used in that manner then more fool them.
Go and talk to a woman living in Saudi Arabia and a woman living in the Uk and get back to me. Alternatively, publish a newspaper article or book critical of the Uk government and one critical of the Saudi regime then tell me in which country you feel most at risk of imminent dismemberment…Oh you mean when the UK started a decade long war based on lies that resulted in the deaths of thousands of people innocent people? No biggie. Or when you sold weapons to this same government knowing they're used to kill people in Yemen?
And if you don't think UK people are brainwashed by the government, then why haven't those same people who caused that war been imprisoned, knowing they had no concrete evidence?
UK and US would be the last folks I'd listen to for morality signaling.
See. There is the brainwashing.Go and talk to a woman living in Saudi Arabia and a woman living in the Uk and get back to me. Alternatively, publish a newspaper article or book critical of the Uk government and one critical of the Saudi regime then tell me in which country you feel most at risk of imminent dismemberment…