162 of what? only PL games or all type of games? Because if its total, lets remove PL games and see how many CC, FAC, EL, CL games are in those 162.
Ole in? Some surprising stats that reveal another side to Solskjaer's management performance
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A top DM will go a long way in helping our team but I think we also have the issue with the other partner in the pivot or the no. 8. I think we could bring Rice in and be shocked to find ourselves having the se issues in midfield. Maybe if Fred is back in form he could play the 8 but I don't see it with Scott.
Then we will also have issues at RB, when the midfield appears to be solved the next issue would be how little our RB contributes offensively and how we need another. Then the following season would be how the GK isn't helping out on the ball and then all of a sudden Bruno, Maguire, Varane etc are in their mid 30s and need replacing.
My point is that Ole needs to take a leaf from both Pep and Klopp and stop thinking that all issues can and should be resolved by buying more players. He needs to have the vision that enabled to see a top player in a relegated Robertson, create a niche workhorse role for Milner or invest in his own Trent etc.
Another issue is how much had Klopp spent by his 162nd game? If he had access to £400m would he have a 50% win rate then?
FBref go back to 17/18
https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/1631/2017-2018-Premier-League-Stats
Understat go back Klopp's first full season but is a less sophisticated model
https://understat.com/league/EPL/2016
Klopp's lowest xGD was 27 whilst Ole's highest has been 22 as a quick illustration.
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From memory there was a time when Klopp was on a tightrope but managed to turn it around. Ole has very little time left.
If i'm not mistaken Klopp managed a 2.3 PPG in his next 100.
If Ole is going to match that we need to preform a hell of a lot better than we have the last month
@Ranchero Usually I'm cool with your postings but this is just an absolute stinker. Why even remotely try and compare the two? Should we just ignore what Klopp did at BvB before going to Liverpool? The guy had already proved he was a special manager.
What had Ole proved before coming here?
I would accept a head to head like this if Klopp hadn't won anything prior but he won the bundesliga and the german cup in incredible fashion against the mighty Bayern and also took them to a CL final and so this head to head is completely and utterly irrelevant.
What had Ole proved before coming here?
I would accept a head to head like this if Klopp hadn't won anything prior but he won the bundesliga and the german cup in incredible fashion against the mighty Bayern and also took them to a CL final and so this head to head is completely and utterly irrelevant.
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I think OP's making a joke regarding how after those first 162 games Klopp's ppg skyrockets to like 2.38 ppg. Someone posted it a couple days ago.
Pretty clear evidence that Liverpool should sack Klopp asap and appoint Solskjaer in his place.
We'll have to slum it with the newly out of work German.
Hopefully Liverpool's Board don't read this forum or the nightmare I described above might come true and Liverpool will become utterly unbeatable with Ole at the wheel.
We'll have to slum it with the newly out of work German.
Hopefully Liverpool's Board don't read this forum or the nightmare I described above might come true and Liverpool will become utterly unbeatable with Ole at the wheel.
This isn't really surprising to anyone who's followed both teams.
Solskjaer hasn't managed us for 162 league games yet, so the stats in the first post probably include Europa League, League Cup and other games, i.e. they're essentially worthless and trying to do an apples-oranges comparison using different competitions.
But even if we look at the league, Klopp got 75 and 76 points in his first two full seasons and Liverpool only got 60 in 15/16 (I can't be bothered looking up exactly how many were under Klopp vs Rodgers, but it wasn't a great season either way). We got 66 points in 18/19 (think Ole got 40 of them from 21 games), then 66 in 2019/20 and 74 last season. So they're both pretty close - Liverpool were never really close to a title challenge and dropped lots of silly points until they signed Van Dijk and Alisson.
The difference, of course, is that Klopp's teams looked on the verge of something special in both those ~75-point seasons, and proved it by picking up close to 200 points in the next two.
Solskjaer hasn't managed us for 162 league games yet, so the stats in the first post probably include Europa League, League Cup and other games, i.e. they're essentially worthless and trying to do an apples-oranges comparison using different competitions.
But even if we look at the league, Klopp got 75 and 76 points in his first two full seasons and Liverpool only got 60 in 15/16 (I can't be bothered looking up exactly how many were under Klopp vs Rodgers, but it wasn't a great season either way). We got 66 points in 18/19 (think Ole got 40 of them from 21 games), then 66 in 2019/20 and 74 last season. So they're both pretty close - Liverpool were never really close to a title challenge and dropped lots of silly points until they signed Van Dijk and Alisson.
The difference, of course, is that Klopp's teams looked on the verge of something special in both those ~75-point seasons, and proved it by picking up close to 200 points in the next two.
No, we can’t.
The difference was that Klopp got them playing how he wanted with 18 months to 2yrs, they just weren’t consistent with it. He established the style of play and then added the quality to help it work.
Whereas we just add for the sake of adding hoping that something will randomly click.
Update: did a comparison with league games only for anyone interested.
Ole's been in charge of us for 105 Premier League games and taken 194 points, i.e. 1.85 per game.
Klopp after 105 Premier League games: 196 points, i.e. 1.87 per game - borderline identical.
For reference, Klopp's averaged 2.33 points per game from his 106th league game onwards.
Ole out
no sir pigeon. It’s Ole In, Klopp Out!I don't think it really demonstrates anything, it's just a raw statistic without the context to back it up. The problem is there is no substantial uptrend that suggests we are making the progress that Klopp would go on to initiate. It shows what it possible but not what is currently probable.
Nope. Ole out.
@Ranchero thank you kind Sir for revealing your cultist identity. Now I can put you and your threads on perma ignore.
They went from 'very shit' to 'slightly less shit' to 'good' and then 'very good' after 200(+) games and a few transfer records.
You could argue that Ole's United has had a very similar journey. I'd say we're still in the 'good' stage, which is about where Klopp was at this moment. We need to get to the 'very good' stage soon though, because it's now that Klopp's team really started to kick off. I don't think we'll be as good as them in terms of PPG(not with this midfield), but I still think we can challenge this year. 30 league games left, after all.
Forgot to put the amount of money spent, the quality of the squad you inherited (be it based on the amount of money spent to be assembled, the number of points the season before, or the salary bill), the salary bill. And as importantly, the number of those small trophies called UCL.
Is there any point replying seriously to this?
Surely even Ole's mother doesn't compare him to Klopp anymore.
Ole has been well backed and we don't look to be building anything. That's the big difference.
Oleball about to take off.
Don’t get why everyone so dismissive of the stats. How much they spent/teams inherited/wage bill etc is all irrelevant. Signing of a top keeper and centre back shit Klopp and Liverpool’s progress forward. If Oles system and tactics are so crap his record is even more impressive in my view.
So many people getting their knickers in a twist in this thread
Chances of Ole continuing to best or even match Klopp’s record are quite slim but it is fact that Klopp was going through a very tricky patch in his Liverpool career around this stage and there are many similarities.
Liverpool fans were ready to turn their back and many were calling for him to be sacked. He had lost a EL final to a Spanish team and had a glaring weakness in his team that needed to be addressed to get to the next level.
And those that keep mentioning the money Ole has spent should take a look at the Liverpool team and see that every single player in it has been bought by Klopp save for 1 academy graduate, with a few more knocking on the door. He’s also spent a fortune to get the success he has - which by the way is 2 major titles in 6 years (hardly groundbreaking).
Chances of Ole continuing to best or even match Klopp’s record are quite slim but it is fact that Klopp was going through a very tricky patch in his Liverpool career around this stage and there are many similarities.
Liverpool fans were ready to turn their back and many were calling for him to be sacked. He had lost a EL final to a Spanish team and had a glaring weakness in his team that needed to be addressed to get to the next level.
And those that keep mentioning the money Ole has spent should take a look at the Liverpool team and see that every single player in it has been bought by Klopp save for 1 academy graduate, with a few more knocking on the door. He’s also spent a fortune to get the success he has - which by the way is 2 major titles in 6 years (hardly groundbreaking).
Ole’s signed Ronaldo, Varane and Sancho and went backwards. We aren’t genuinely challenging while he’s our manager.
Klopp had a track record of meaningful success.So many people getting their knickers in a twist in this thread
Chances of Ole continuing to best or even match Klopp’s record are quite slim but it is fact that Klopp was going through a very tricky patch in his Liverpool career around this stage and there are many similarities.
Liverpool fans were ready to turn their back and many were calling for him to be sacked. He had lost a EL final to a Spanish team and had a glaring weakness in his team that needed to be addressed to get to the next level.
And those that keep mentioning the money Ole has spent should take a look at the Liverpool team and see that every single player in it has been bought by Klopp save for 1 academy graduate, with a few more knocking on the door. He’s also spent a fortune to get the success he has - which by the way is 2 major titles in 6 years (hardly groundbreaking).
Klopp with a lower win rate got PL and CL...
Yikes. Just looking at that 17/18 season, the stats really spell out the trouble ahead under Mourinho. 2nd in the league but 5th for both xG and xGA. Man City 44.5 goals ahead of us on xG difference. Even last season when they were a lot better than us the gap was still 20 xG closer in that regard....
Though you could see it with your eyes too. We finished ahead of Liverpool that year but it wasn't hard to spot that they were implementing a better foundation for future success in terms of their style of play.
Time to sack Klopp
We all know Klopp had a rough start but after that, been amazing. Ole had an amazing start (albeit fairly short run) and after that, been pretty shite. Evens out for 2 years or so, or 3, but going forward the stats will heavily favor Klopp.
We all know Klopp had a rough start but after that, been amazing. Ole had an amazing start (albeit fairly short run) and after that, been pretty shite. Evens out for 2 years or so, or 3, but going forward the stats will heavily favor Klopp.
It’s skewed by Klopp’s crap first season when he took over a dogshit side in what? 9th. That team just finished the previous season 8th on 60 points.
That part season he had just a 44% win rate. (52 games)
Full season 1: 57.4% (99 games)
Full season 2: 55.4% (155 games) + CL final
Full season 3: 71.7% (208 games) + CL winner and 97 league points
So judging by that we can expect 90+ points and a CL win this season
That part season he had just a 44% win rate. (52 games)
Full season 1: 57.4% (99 games)
Full season 2: 55.4% (155 games) + CL final
Full season 3: 71.7% (208 games) + CL winner and 97 league points
So judging by that we can expect 90+ points and a CL win this season
The Liverpool game will be Solskjaer's 106th league game in charge of us.
Klopp's 106th league game in charge of Liverpool was their last one before the 2018 CL final.
He was under zero pressure and facing zero calls to be sacked by then. You're either misremembering or deliberately misrepresenting the timeline.
Yeah uh this is what i was saying...err with a bit more actual facts and numbers and stuffIt’s skewed by Klopp’s crap first season when he took over a dogshit side in what? 9th. That team just finished the previous season 8th on 60 points.
That part season he had just a 44% win rate. (52 games)
Full season 1: 57.4% (99 games)
Full season 2: 55.4% (155 games) + CL final
Full season 3: 71.7% (208 games) + CL winner and 97 league points
So judging by that we can expect 90+ points and a CL win this season
Yup, he’d taken them to a CL final by this stage in Ole’s career, at game 155.
Then he fecking took off, so by 162 (where Ole is now) he was on his way to a CL winning season and a 97 point season in the league.
“Pressure and calls for the sack” my arse
Amazing stuff
Christ, I didn’t mean to the exact amount of games. No need to micro analyse to that degree. I was merely pointing out the many similarities to their respective careers that lead to a similar stat in results.
The only people misremember are those who think the sun shines out of Klopp’s behind and always has.
Yup. All about timing when to switch on and push... also Klopp in his first years axed about 20 Liverpool players and that number doubled lately. Not a typical clearout, especially with strategic reasons like number of players leaving at the peak of their value, helping free up some funds and squad space.
It's not even all about winning actual trophies, just correctly setting up everything for right players to come. No contracts for underperformers, pitch clowns and squad space campers.
Doesn’t really matter when it’s for another team, does it? You get judged on your current results.
Haha not a prayer but you and @UnitedSofa will see the light later in the season I am sure of that