Once again, no, they generally don’t. Tuchel had a CL in 6 months, Pep had a PL in his second season, Klopp had taken over a worse team, spent less, reached a CL final, had a much better end to the season and actually smashed this third full season out of the park. At this point (162 games) his trajectory was pointed almost vertical, you knew from the off he was in a title battle.
We had a shit end of the season, and a worse start to this season. To match Klopp from that season we now have to drop just 7 more points all season, we’ve dropped 13 after just 8 games
Pep joined a PL winning team with a CL challenging squad. He still hasn’t won the CL with City, which is arguably what he was bought in to do. Does that make him a failure? I’d have to assume Ole could have won the league too with the squad available at City, and the momentum built by Mancini and Pellegrini, but no he had to rebuild our depleated, below par and demoralised squad which was torn apart by LVG, and ground into the floor by Mourinho.
As for Tuchel, Chelsea were already in the Round of 16 by the time he took over. Granted they beat Atlético, Porto and Real on the way to the final, but the squad was built by Lampard (spending an absolute fortune even during the pandemic) and he had done a lot of the leg work in the group stages. This is compatible with Chelseas other CL winning manager, Robert Di Matteo, who also took over during the round of 16. You could argue his achievement was greater as he had to turn around a 3-1 first leg defeat, and had to come from behind on aggregate vs Barcelona with Terry having been sent off. I don’t think for one minute you would argue RDM is a better coach than Tuchel?
And to Klopp. A quick google backs up the head to head between Ole and Jurgen. (As I’m sure it would ‘prove’ just about any other view point)
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer
Played: 118
Won: 67
Drawn: 23
Lost: 28
Goals for: 217
Goals against: 123
Clean sheets: 44
Points per game: 1.89
Win rate: 56.8%
Loss rate: 23.7%
Goals per game: 1.83
Goals against per game: 1.04
Jurgen Klopp
Played: 118
Won: 60
Drawn: 34
Lost: 24
Goals for: 216
Goals against: 128
Clean sheets: 42
Points per game: 1.81
Win rate: 50.8%
Loss rate: 20.3%
Goals per game: 1.83
Goals against per game: 1.08
This set of numbers is based on 50 games fewer than the OP, but the similarities between both men are striking. Klopp is clearly better at getting a draw instead of defeat. Or maybe our defence was a weak point during this period, and has widely been condemned as not good enough for years now. Just saying, could be a factor.
Oles win ratio is much better here, obviously Klopps has improved in the 50 games up to the OP, which probably explains the title and CL win. Again the squads are a mitigating factor here, and arguably Klopp took a stronger squad at Liverpool (the narrowly missed out on the title under Rogers) and importantly a more stable squad. They haven’t had the upheaval we’ve experienced since SAF retired (maybe because they’ve been mediocre for so long and had the upheaval 20-25 years ago).
We can back and forth all night, and I doubt we will see eye to eye - but the point for me is we don’t know if Ole can win with THIS squad because it hasn’t happened yet. We don’t know if another manager could get more from them. Ole has not been and is not an utter disaster for this club, quite the opposite and thus deserves his shot this season. If we haven’t won anything by May then by all means let’s look at who is available, but unless we tank from here on it’s just unfair and premature to kick him out when he has done more good than bad.