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Level on points with United after 8 games with an inferior squad. Clearly not fit to clean Ole’s boots though.
My favourite is when people say Ole will leave the team in a better condition. Imagine what Moyes would have bought with 100s of millions. Given the players Moyes was after, and his overall transfer record, it is not much of a stretch to say we would have won a fair few honours.Level on points with United after 8 games with an inferior squad. Clearly not fit to clean Ole’s boots though.
No they didn't, the squad wasn't poor and they just regressed under him and did better once he was sacked.People say Sociedad was a failure for him, but they were a mess prior to his arrival and if nothing he stabilised what was a pretty poor squad.
My favourite is when people say Ole will leave the team in a better condition. Imagine what Moyes would have bought with 100s of millions. Given the players Moyes was after, and his overall transfer record, it is not much of a stretch to say we would have won a fair few honours.
Ole has failed to get the best out of what he has been given.
You'd definitely tear a few ligaments stretching that far mate, be careful eh.My favourite is when people say Ole will leave the team in a better condition. Imagine what Moyes would have bought with 100s of millions. Given the players Moyes was after, and his overall transfer record, it is not much of a stretch to say we would have won a fair few honours.
Moyes got even less out of what he had handed to him.Ole has failed to get the best out of what he has been given.
I would still say ignorance and short memory are more prevalent here than trolling, as your post shows. He only bought Fellaini because the club failed to sign Kross, Bale and Fabregas. They even failed to bring in Coentrao on loan on the last day of the transfer window. Nothing more to add.Must have missed buying felliani and wasting whole summer trying to buy Baines.
Seriously the trolling too obvious round here these days
Here is the team of world beaters below. I forgot to mention the Icelandic hotshop, the North Pole's Alan Shearer - Finbogasson. Give me a break. How old are you?No they didn't, the squad wasn't poor and they just regressed under him and did better once he was sacked.
I would still say ignorance and short memory are more prevalent here than trolling, as your post shows. He only bought Fellaini because the club failed to sign Kross, Bale and Fabregas. They even failed to bring in Coentrao on loan on the last day of the transfer window. Nothing more to add.
Yes, and the players got him sacked.... Ole has the players support and we still played just as bad or worse...Ignorance of what? I lived thru Moyes.
He was easily our worse manager since Fergie. Not sure you need short memory and Ignorance to know this.
Anyone bigging up Moyes as a united manager is flat out nutz, and hilarious
You not get me bigging up our board at all, but Moyes bought fellaini, tried to buy Baines all summer, knocked back thiago, and then bought Mata..............all while controlling a title winning squad and failing miserably because a catalog of issues mostly around his management or lack of it. Sounds like you got selective memory.
Yes, and the players got him sacked.... Ole has the players support and we still played just as bad or worse...
It was pretty bad. But that makes it sound like you survived a terrible famine or a horrific warzone.Ignorance of what? I lived thru Moyes.
It was pretty bad. But that makes it sound like you survived a terrible famine or a horrific warzone.
Indeed.I would still say ignorance and short memory are more prevalent here than trolling, as your post shows. He only bought Fellaini because the club failed to sign Kross, Bale and Fabregas. They even failed to bring in Coentrao on loan on the last day of the transfer window. Nothing more to add.
Well it wasn't that bad but it was a thoroughly unpleasant experience all the same.It was pretty bad. But that makes it sound like you survived a terrible famine or a horrific warzone.
Like not buying Fellaini for the release clause by the deadline… then paying more than that clause shortly after the deadline?My favourite is when people say Ole will leave the team in a better condition. Imagine what Moyes would have bought with 100s of millions. Given the players Moyes was after, and his overall transfer record, it is not much of a stretch to say we would have won a fair few honours.
Ole has failed to get the best out of what he has been given.
This can’t be a serious post. The guy had no idea what he was doing while thinking he did a good job. He is one of key reasons why we haven’t been at the top since Fergie as he basically dismantled the entire backroom staff immediately to bring his Everton personnel.My favourite is when people say Ole will leave the team in a better condition. Imagine what Moyes would have bought with 100s of millions. Given the players Moyes was after, and his overall transfer record, it is not much of a stretch to say we would have won a fair few honours.
Ole has failed to get the best out of what he has been given.
As bad as we have been under Ole we haven’t had the type of performance we had under Moyes in two consecutive games against City and Liverpool at Old Trafford where we basically looked like a League Two team, or the numerous home losses to teams that hadn’t won at OT for decades. Or that Fulham game. That was a different kind of bad and it came literally months after our title winning season where we got 89 points with the same squad.You don't need to lie to get digs in against Ole.
The comparisons between Moyes United and Ole United are night and day. Amazed anyone thinks Ole team plays as bad as that Moyes team, damn some people are broke.
Ole first 10 games alone was better on the eye, and the results game, than anything Moyes United drummed up
Actually can't even believe this topic is even getting discussed.....I blame myself for biting.
Moyes was obviously lost, but I disagree with the idea that keeping Phelan and Meulensteen (I'm discarding Steele, as the GK coach probably didn't have much effect) would have changed much during that season or later on (If LVG or Mourinho would have kept them at all).This can’t be a serious post. The guy had no idea what he was doing while thinking he did a good job. He is one of key reasons why we haven’t been at the top since Fergie as he basically dismantled the entire backroom staff immediately to bring his Everton personnelץ
As bad as we have been under Ole we haven’t had the type of performance we had under Moyes in two consecutive games against City and Liverpool at Old Trafford where we basically looked like a League Two team, or the numerous home losses to teams that hadn’t won at OT for decades. Or that Fulham game. That was a different kind of bad and it came literally months after our title winning season where we got 89 points with the same squad.
I think it would have made it a much smoother transition and would have made his life easier to have people around him that knew the players, knew how the club was handled for many years before him and could guide him.Moyes was obviously lost, but I disagree with the idea that keeping Phelan and Meulensteen (I'm discarding Steele, as the GK coach probably didn't have much effect) would have changed much during that season or later on (If LVG or Mourinho would have kept them at all).
It's like people putting blame for our current struggles on the coaching staff. No, there's a limit to how much a coaching staff can save a manager.
Definitely, people on here go on about Ole having no influence on this team and having to rely on individual brilliance of the players.As bad as we have been under Ole we haven’t had the type of performance we had under Moyes in two consecutive games against City and Liverpool at Old Trafford where we basically looked like a League Two team, or the numerous home losses to teams that hadn’t won at OT for decades. Or that Fulham game. That was a different kind of bad and it came literally months after our title winning season where we got 89 points with the same squad.
Perhaps, I just don't it would have made that big of a difference if the manager is not good enough.I think it would have made it a much smoother transition and would have made his life easier to have people around him that knew the players, knew how the club was handled for many years before him and could guide him.
I think coaching staff is remarkably important for the manager. From what I remember Fergie relied heavily on their input, especially in Queiroz days, including tactics.
My favourite is when people say Ole will leave the team in a better condition. Imagine what Moyes would have bought with 100s of millions. Given the players Moyes was after, and his overall transfer record, it is not much of a stretch to say we would have won a fair few honours.
Ole has failed to get the best out of what he has been given.
I'm old enough to remember his disastrous time in La Liga and I'm sure you don't watch a lot of spanish football. To make it short the season with him they finished in a lower position than the previous team, once he was sacked they did a lot better the following season.Here is the team of world beaters below. I forgot to mention the Icelandic hotshop, the North Pole's Alan Shearer - Finbogasson. Give me a break. How old are you?
- Rulli
- Martínez
- Ansotegi
- Martínez Berridi
- De la Bella
- Bergara
- Granero
- Prieto Argarate
- Canales
- Castro
- Vela
It's a myth that our squad was done when Fergie left. We walked the league and got robbed in Europe.Moyes was handed a squad on it's last legs that was pulled to a title by RVP and weak competition. Of course he was ill equipped to handle the transition, and was a deer in headlights. But many people use the fact they won the league the previous season as an indication of quality carrying over into the following season... Twas not the case.
Anyways, good manager, Moyes. Terrible spell at United. Comparisons to Ole are nonsensical.
No where did I indicate Moyes was a victim.It's a myth that our squad was done when Fergie left. We walked the league and got robbed in Europe.
The only players that were done were Giggs, Scholes and Rio.
We had a balanced squad - de gea, rafa, evans, smalling, Jones, Henandez, Nani, Kagawa, Valencia, Fletcher, Rooney, Van Persie, Young, Zaha, Cleverley, Wellbeck. And then Carrick, Vidic and Evra who were 31/32.
And money to spend to bring new players in.
Moyes proceeded to fire the entire backroom staff that was world class and replace them with his Everton donkeys. He ripped up established, tailored training plans players had. His needlessly pissed off top pros.
The guy was a clown and brought on the majority of his woes himself. No matter how much time passes, the story isn't going to morph into Moyes being a victim.
I’ve always thought this. Moyes for all his personal improvements since made the worst of his opportunity, his job should have been relatively simple - keep the Fergie playbook & buy better players than Fellaini. I’m still shocked at how badly he did.It's a myth that our squad was done when Fergie left. We walked the league and got robbed in Europe.
The only players that were done were Giggs, Scholes and Rio.
We had a balanced squad - de gea, rafa, evans, smalling, Jones, Henandez, Nani, Kagawa, Valencia, Fletcher, Rooney, Van Persie, Young, Zaha, Cleverley, Wellbeck. And then Carrick, Vidic and Evra who were 31/32.
And money to spend to bring new players in.
Moyes proceeded to fire the entire backroom staff that was world class and replace them with his Everton donkeys. He ripped up established, tailored training plans players had. His needlessly pissed off top pros.
The guy was a clown and brought on the majority of his woes himself. No matter how much time passes, the story isn't going to morph into Moyes being a victim.
Agreed.Moyes was obviously lost, but I disagree with the idea that keeping Phelan and Meulensteen (I'm discarding Steele, as the GK coach probably didn't have much effect) would have changed much during that season or later on (If LVG or Mourinho would have kept them at all).
A team of multiple champions, oldest player 32.No where did I indicate Moyes was a victim.
And as for the squad, I think you're reaching if you think that squad was title winning quality without an overhaul. Good for a comfortable top 4 finish I will give you that.
Anyone not being able to differentiate worse and worst is flat out 'nutz' and 'hilarious'.Ignorance of what? I lived thru Moyes.
He was easily our worse manager since Fergie. Not sure you need short memory and Ignorance to know this.
Anyone bigging up Moyes as a united manager is flat out nutz, and hilarious
You not get me bigging up our board at all, but Moyes bought fellaini, tried to buy Baines all summer, knocked back thiago, and then bought Mata..............all while controlling a title winning squad and failing miserably because a catalog of issues mostly around his management or lack of it. Sounds like you got selective memory.
Moyes himself has said he tried to sign Kross all summer and had the deal agreed with both the player and his agent. Signing Bale for 100mil. would affect the Fellaini purchase the same way buying Sancho and paying Ronaldo 500K every week affected buying a midfielder this summer. Fabregas was not a 'perhaps'. It's only 'perhaps' because you are trying to make a poor argument sound more solid by randomly adding modal adverbs. Fabregas was on the brink of joining, both the player and David Moyes said as much.Indeed.
We weren't trying to sign Kroos in 2013, not sure how signing Bale would have had any effect on the potential of signing Fellaini considering they don't play in the same position. Fabregas perhaps but Moyes said himself he would have still signed Fellaini he just didn't want him to be his first signing as he thought it would put too much pressure on him.
Real Madrid pulled the plug on the Coentrao deal as they couldn't sign a replacement.
I am old enough to have seen a bunch of kids guessing whether I watch some league or not. You've been added to the list.I'm old enough to remember his disastrous time in La Liga and I'm sure you don't watch a lot of spanish football. To make it short the season with him they finished in a lower position than the previous team, once he was sacked they did a lot better the following season.
Moyes is a better manager than Ole, not very surprising he has some fans. He is as unglamorous as they come, but did very well at Everton, turned them from a bottom half team into a consistent top5/top6 outfit. However, I definitely don't think he was ever cut out for Manchester United, back then and even now. But if you take off the Ole-tinted glasses for a moment, it is not a stretch to say he would have us as strong Top 4 challengers (where we are now) if had received the same senseless, unwavering backing over 3-4 years that Ole has gotten instead of being dumped 6 months in. He deserved to go by the way, not saying he didn't. We had higher standards and expectations as a club back then.I can understand Poch having an obsessive delusional fan boy, Potter having one or even Ole having one.
Never thought Moyes would have one too