No it was because he lead a team that hadn't finished outside the top 3 in 20 years to 7th failing to even qualify for Europe for the first time in over 30 years. It's that simple he failed so he got fired. It was down to him that he didn't get more time.
This job is his MO, a club where mid table is considered decent with anything above and beyond above a bonus. I'm surprised it took him this long to get another similar job to his one at Everton, infact in hindsight Everton themselves should have got him back at the point they appointed all their post Koeman managers.
Your point is flawed. For one, Everton is a far bigger club than Chelsea. Another is that he never got long enough here to see if he would have been a success. The fact is, Sir Alex and Sir Bobby felt he deserved more time to establish himself. Sadly loud mouths and prats with planes held more sway with our absolute disaster of a CEO.
He took a title winning team to 7th place (below where he had/has Everton and West Ham) and was saying stuff (like "we aspire to be like City" and "hopefully we make it hard for them") which were big giveaways that he was struggling to adjust to the shift in expectations (if the results weren't enough proof).
What Moyes said was accurate. We fell behind Man City big time, and the sticking plasters had allowed the wound of substandard squad development to fester. The fact some fans did not like to hear the truth does not make it less valid. The squad was simply not good enough, and he was not given the resources to fix it. LVG was, but he totally decimated the squad and filled it with dreck.
We all know it will happen...
Don’t you think that maybe he just wasn’t ready for a team the size of united given he was replacing a mgr who won quite a bit? Moyes has been around since then and united aren’t the juggernaut they used to be. There’s no doubt he can come in and do the job. If I was the board I would be looking in his direction if they plan on dropping Ole.
He was begging the senior players to show him how to win at Utd.
This has to be a wum
Seriously? The landscape has changed. It’s just not the same and I think for the better. The league is so tight and teams are beating each other left and right. United are never going to be the dominant force in football again but they will always have the money to buy great talent just like now. Moyes was in over his head but has shown that he is more than ready. If some rumors are true I believe he should be a serious contender should a change be made. But most likely united will do the right thing and keep Ole in place to see if he can turn this thing around. After all he has the talent and backing to get it done.
Has shown that he is more than ready for what? Did he manage any superstar since? Did he manage with the expectation of winning the vast majority of games since? Did he manage with the expectation of competing for major honours every season since?
Yes,yes I do. And the board should too if they lose their nerve and get rid of their current mgr. He’s a perfect fit
How this WUM survived the cull is beyond me. Terrible post.
Perfect fit to keep United perennially chasing top 4. You would love that, wouldnt you?
It’s a Sunday night after a shite weekend of football. So there. But I do think Moyes is an upgrade. A man with a plan so to speak.
Agreed. He was decent at Everton and has WH playing some very good football.
In the 3 years following Moyes we won 3 trophies and qualified for the CL twice (missing out the 3rd time due to GD). Neither of those things would have happened under Moyes.
Like I said I am not defending his role here, we were totally justified sacking him but it's just a feeling I had over the years. That doesn't mean I think could have won trophies here but that we would have had a more directed rebuild and probably got more value.
Bit of a ridiculous comment. He turned Everton from team which battled relegation into a team regularly competing in the top 6 and on the cusp of CL football. He's invested smartly at West Ham and got them being consistent. You can have all the wages in the world but it's not a case that it's reflected back on the field without effective management. Whilst CL football may be a step too far, they have been playing really well this season. 1,000 games as a manager under his belt.
