It seems like Neville never wants us to sack any manager. Yet at Salford, he adopts a very different approach in regards to giving his own managers time.
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Manchester United 0:5 Liverpool
Post-match discussion
Sun, 24 October 2021
Like he did at Chelsea and Juve....yeah right.
Do pundits typically call for sackings though? Genuinely asking.
If Gerard was still around they would have stepped on our throats.
I wonder if Klopp didn't want to make it too bad because he likes Ole keeping the biggest spending club in the league mired in mediocrity.
If you think this group of players is playing anywhere near its potential you're mad. They're not all world beaters, but they're miles better than the tumescent performances we're seeing.
This team doesn't know how to press and they try to press against probably the best pressing team in the league.
Could have been more than 5 goals if Liverpool never took their foot off the pedal.
Some people blaming Pogba. The issues with this club is far beyond just Pogba.
The board, manager, coaching staff. It's all rotten but the rot starts at the top with the board.
We can get rid of Ole but do the clowns in the boardroom have any idea how to build a successful football club on the pitch and not at the stock market?
It's been how long since Saf retired and were nowhere close to being a successful football team. This is a disgrace. But Ole will take the blame when the anger should be directed at the people above him. Ole should never have gotten the full-time job.
Could have been more than 5 goals if Liverpool never took their foot off the pedal.
Some people blaming Pogba. The issues with this club is far beyond just Pogba.
The board, manager, coaching staff. It's all rotten but the rot starts at the top with the board.
We can get rid of Ole but do the clowns in the boardroom have any idea how to build a successful football club on the pitch and not at the stock market?
It's been how long since Saf retired and were nowhere close to being a successful football team. This is a disgrace. But Ole will take the blame when the anger should be directed at the people above him. Ole should never have gotten the full-time job.
But he'll win the league so who cares.
Again, no manager should be allowed to rip the squad apart.
The fact the manager couldnt see our weakness and priority had to be central midfield not Sancho and Ronaldo is a symptom of Ole's failings
This squad isn't nearly as good as people suggest. It hasn't won anything, it hasn't challenged for a title. We call them world beaters and give out ludicrous contracts as reward for nothing.
It sounds like Liverpool were lucky to scrape a win reading the MBM. And then, if you watched the game, you would come back to planet Earth.
Even this report is about a Utd loss. And that's their problem. From their management to their fanbois, the idea that their team is utter dross cannot be countenanced. Its a hubristic culture that affects everything within the club. The fouling, complaining, the ridiculous fees, the DNA proclamations, the ref arguing, the hubris. I am so fecking glad they were humiliated today by a proper club.
Even this report is about a Utd loss. And that's their problem. From their management to their fanbois, the idea that their team is utter dross cannot be countenanced. Its a hubristic culture that affects everything within the club. The fouling, complaining, the ridiculous fees, the DNA proclamations, the ref arguing, the hubris. I am so fecking glad they were humiliated today by a proper club.
What can we say after that ?
Defensively shambolic from exactly the same back 4 as last season.
It’s sickening to see what’s happening to the club.
Ole looks broken. He really does. I want the board to put him out of his misery. Legend of a player but just not cutting it as a coach
Defensively shambolic from exactly the same back 4 as last season.
It’s sickening to see what’s happening to the club.
Ole looks broken. He really does. I want the board to put him out of his misery. Legend of a player but just not cutting it as a coach
They are good to very good people in there. No matter how good they really are, they need to do so much better. And a lot is down to the manager.
Post match comments of the manager?
That was hard to take. We're so far off Liverpool and City, but in some areas it feels so close that sometimes the odd 0-0 or 1-1 we get against them or City or even a win feels like it doesn't show where we really are. We're comfortably a tier 2 team in part because our midfield is awful, and our players are coached badly in terms of what we want to do on the pitch. How do you go into training on Monday and face the players if you're Ole. They lost their heads, 7 yellow cards and a red doesn't begin to show the level of frustration, those players BELIEVE they should be doing better, and they probably all should.
More likely wanted to prevent more injures and not expend any extra energy.
Yes - it's not that we were poor today (again), it's the performances against Everton, Leicester, Wolves, Aston Villa that are the ones to look at. We've regressed, not improved, and it's time to take a hard look at the manager and staff, if the players are doing what they're told to do.
@Tincanalley -“Maguire is a great lad. He is not the problem. Took guts to go out there.”
Then you must have been watching a different game to the one I’ve just witnessed. Maguire is a dreadful captain, really muddled reactions, and not respected by his team mates.
Then you must have been watching a different game to the one I’ve just witnessed. Maguire is a dreadful captain, really muddled reactions, and not respected by his team mates.
The funny thing is, we actually created loads of 100% chances first half, but we can’t defend to safe our lives. Midfield and defence are completely inadequate for a club this size and tactically we’re chasing shadows.
Grim watch, that. Probably the lowest we have been since SAF retired, and it could have been much worse if Liverpool wanted. Something has to change now, whether that is Ole going or something else, it can't continue like this.
On the positive side, we escaped a couple of red cards. Would have been even harder in the upcoming fixtures if Bruno and Ronaldo were sent off as well, which they should have been.
On the positive side, we escaped a couple of red cards. Would have been even harder in the upcoming fixtures if Bruno and Ronaldo were sent off as well, which they should have been.
Yeah this. He saw what happened to Keita and warned their players I think - our players were already cornered animals, he didn't want Salah or whoevers legs bent in two by McTominay or whoever for taking the piss.
This is a team that has lost the dressing room. Nothing more really to say, anything he does is pathetic. He needs to leave gracefully or this could get very ugly.
Those defensive stats they just showed on Sky will get tweeted/posted soon I imagine and they show just how abysmal we are at the back. This ridiculous formation/system we keep persisting with is killing us.
What do you think he should say?
Maybe we would be better off bringing in a Roy Keane on a temporary basis and building towards next summer.
It is not so much the coaching, but the personnel as well. The likes of McTominay and Fred should be nowhere near a Manchester United starting XI.
Right now it's a question of salvaging something from the season and having the players working together as a unit.
It is not so much the coaching, but the personnel as well. The likes of McTominay and Fred should be nowhere near a Manchester United starting XI.
Right now it's a question of salvaging something from the season and having the players working together as a unit.
Only the blind, deluded or Extreme Norwegian Nationalists won’t see the problem.
We've been below par for a very long time, even last season. If I read my old posts, I always said that Ole is just not good enough but at that time, people acted very sensitive, he was still untouchable. Now it is obvious for anyone to see, and also his mistakes/ poor decisions become apparent. A huge mistake is also not having some seniors in his management staff. Except an outdated assistant, he has only inexperienced coaches and they all should go as well.
No doubt about it, miles better.
They look like they don't care right now, though. Similar to how they looked when Jose was approaching the end of his tenure. Let's face it, the players will know just as well as us that Ole's time is up. It's difficult to motivate themselves given their uncertain future.
So true. Before the likes of Real Madrid and Barca would come in and swoop the best the likes Liverpool had no chance that is happening in the mess they are in. Going be a force for years
Listening to Souness talking so much sense is making my brain hurt even more than the match.
Neville is embarrassing himself now.
How do you know he's out of form cause of his out of football work? It isn't related nor it should be.
Couldn't agree more but Ole will just keep hanging in there
"We know we are rock bottom, we can't feel any worse than this. Let's see where we take it," OGS told Sky Sports.
"I have come too far, we have come too far as a group. We are too close to give up now."
Asked how he will pick the players up, he added: "It is going to be a difficult one. The players will be low but there's loads of characters there."
"I have come too far, we have come too far as a group. We are too close to give up now."
Asked how he will pick the players up, he added: "It is going to be a difficult one. The players will be low but there's loads of characters there."
What did he say?
So we're going in circles...
That's no surprise.
Neville categorically wrong on this occasion.. hard to watch.
Carra and Sourness spot on (which in the case of the latter is particularly worrying)
Carra and Sourness spot on (which in the case of the latter is particularly worrying)
Could of fooled me. They are a mirror image of the manager.
Comes to something that two Liverpool legends talk more sense than a Man Utd legend ( Neville)
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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9%
Cristiano Ronaldo
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8%
Edinson Cavani
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7%
Paul Pogba
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4%
Mason Greenwood
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3%
Victor Lindelof
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2%
Fred
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2%
Scott McTominay
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2%
Marcus Rashford
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2%
Bruno Fernandes
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1%
Diogo Dalot
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1%
Luke Shaw
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1%
Aaron Wan-Bissaka
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Score Predictions
104,146,49
- Man Utd win
- Liverpool win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 18% Man Utd 1:3 Liverpool
- 14% Man Utd 2:1 Liverpool
- 8% Man Utd 2:2 Liverpool
- 8% Man Utd 1:2 Liverpool
- 6% Man Utd 1:1 Liverpool
- 6% Man Utd 3:2 Liverpool
- 5% Man Utd 0:3 Liverpool
- 5% Man Utd 1:4 Liverpool
- 3% Man Utd 0:2 Liverpool
- 3% Man Utd 0:5 Liverpool
- 3% Man Utd 3:1 Liverpool
- 3% Man Utd 2:0 Liverpool
- 2% Man Utd 1:0 Liverpool
- 2% Man Utd 0:0 Liverpool
- 2% Man Utd 0:4 Liverpool
- 2% Man Utd 3:0 Liverpool
- 2% Man Utd 2:3 Liverpool
- 2% Man Utd 2:4 Liverpool
- 1% Man Utd 5:0 Liverpool
- 1% Man Utd 4:1 Liverpool
- 1% Man Utd 4:0 Liverpool
- 1% Man Utd 4:2 Liverpool
- 1% Man Utd 1:5 Liverpool
- 0% Man Utd 3:5 Liverpool
- 0% Man Utd 4:3 Liverpool
- 0% Man Utd 5:1 Liverpool
Match Stats
- Man Utd
- Liverpool
- Possession
- 36% 64%
- Shots
- 12 19
- Shots on Target
- 4 8
- Corners
- 6 3
- Fouls
- 10 8
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replaced by Diogo Dalot
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replaced by Paul Pogba
