Nothing. You're living in a fantasy world, Liverpool fans weren't best impressed with previous owners and had years of underperformance, why would you ignore that instead of producing this thought experiment which counts for nothing?
I was going to post similarly. one of the most damning parts of Sunday was Scholes bringing our attention to Greenwood's lack of energy/awareness as part of the first goal. This is a young lad with tremendous talent. However he looks like a pale imitation of the kid who was fearless in front of goal 2 years ago. Now he rarely takes his man on, he still scores some spectacular goals , but he was previously a goal machine. Now he uses his right foot sparingly whereas before he was almost as good on either foot. On Sunday he stopped running, he stopped helping out midfield, he stopped closing down the opposition. Indeed he looked like the rest of the players, lacking in energy.
You think that the Glazers rock up at Real, Barca or Bayern and do what they’ve done at Utd and the fans do - and I quote “nothing”.
Soriano and Woodward had no prior experience in football and had similar job profile when they joined Barca and United respectively and spent more or less similar time in their roles before Soriano left Barca and eventually joined City as their CEO while Woodward got promoted at United . So basically they both followed similar trajectories with difference being one switched clubs . Arnold if elevated to CEO position at United would also be following similar path as Woodward .
So you have no response to how you are advocating we kick out the Glazers? You are adamant we should have already done so but as yet have no strategy?
Actually, we were a brilliantly run club before the Glazers. Perhaps the best run club in the world. No debt, very modern, huge stadium with the intention of expanding and modernizing it, the biggest and most marketable club in the world by far, and then the Rock of Gibraltar happened. United was saddled with debt and incompetent owners and Fergie still held the held and through his own genius carried it close to 10 years. But despite our on the pitch success, off the pitch - the club was starting to erode step by step. Commercially we were still doing fine, but we started to lose our position to Madrid, then to Barcelona, then Bayern, etc. The debt prevented the club from making any meaningful transfers for almost a decade. The stadium was (and is still) in a state of decay. The training pitch, as well, is horribly unmodernized, being surpassed by small Citeh in a matter of years. No investment in years. In terms of football we are horribly stuck in the past - we just recently got DOF, but it is another "lad" about to learn on the job, the coaching system has been dismantled, we have no philosophy or goals to strive for because the owners do not care about football. After Fergie our problems became increasingly exacerbated because we no longer had the GOAT manager to carry us through this. Standards are nowhere to be found because only Fergie gave a shit about winning, the Glazers couldn't care less where we are, as long as they rake in the dividends. And CL football is sufficient enough for that. In short, we are right back in the gutter with the mortal clubs trying to survive and claw our way out of the ditch.
You think that the Glazers rock up at Real, Barca or Bayern and do what they’ve done at Utd and the fans do “nothing”.
Amen
If your point is non football people can be successful at running football clubs then sure I concede its possible. However my point is you should have footballing people make footballing decisions otherwise eventually you'll be fecked.
There’s certainly been a rewriting of Jose’s final half season (which don’t get me wrong, was awful) as not just the usual petulant meltdown that left the club needing a part-time caretaker to re-invigorate some spirits before the next guy came in… but as some all time low nuclear incident that somehow required 3 years to rebuild from. It’s a line that’s even filtered down to likes of Mitten and Neville. Which frankly, is nonsense. No club with the budget we have needs 3 years to get back to the level it was 6 months before a managerial change. Especially when that level wasn’t even elite! (2nd and a cup final)
If they on mass stopped turning up for games, they would sell.
It's this, a few marquee signings and all is forgotten every summer, I detest the modern era fans that think football is a game of fifa ultimate team.
The Glazer hate is just ridiculous. They (at least) are competent. They have managed Utd for 15 years now. They've provided what -$2B? in funds for players? And the fans keep imagining someone is going ride up on a white steed and give the multi-billion company to them.
Some of our supporters think they're against the Glazers and they're militant with their actions, making a stand now and then etc. Yet psychologically the Glazers have played them like a fiddle with Ole. He has allowed them to do what they have always done (aim for top 4) without anybody noticing anymore.
The fact that very few, if any, PL clubs would offer him a job after United says it all.
I don't see a greedy board. I see them as naive instead. Do you think they like us being 4th or just entering the top 4. I actually think, football wise, the Glazers have a good approach, let the people at the club run it and they'd finance. The problem we have had has been thag the people ate the club, Woodward, Fergie etc have been too easily swayed by sentiment and have been very slow to change. People act like our owners are ruthless, but in truth, the past 8 years have shown that they haven't been near ruthless enough.
Yeah and legendary as he is he should never have got involved with managers after his disastrous Moyes selection
I'm not downplaying fan involvement in the demise of the Superleague. I'm sure it was a factor and it is definitely a remarkable example of how a united mass of individually weak people can press their agenda against the powerful, however.... in that situation you had some of the most powerful corporations and media conglomerates in the world also completely opposed and using their platforms to halt it.
I don't think you need to force the Glazers to walk away, but fans for other clubs certainly voice their issues with how the club is run far better than united fans. I think it's embarrassing that people were unironically cheering for Ole these past few home games. I don't think it's realistic to force them to sell but it certainly is realistic to force their hand when the club gets into some of the shittier situations (like now).
He's saying we sacked three managers in the 5 years between SAF and Ole, ie Moyes, LVG and Mourinho between 2013 and 2018. Unless I'm misunderstanding which is of course quite possible.
Yeah, I got it eventually. My bad.
Yeah that's what I meant. Three sacked in five years isn't owners happy to just bumble along.
