Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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No I’m mocking our social media admin, they shouldn’t even be addressing the nonsense.
Seeing as there already have been several people posting the fake tweets and videos in here, there clearly is a need to address the social media nonsense.
 

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I'm not anti Scottish, I just wanted Moyes out.
That sums him up. He was the super sub and bloody good at it who was then thrust into legendary status by that goal.
Exactly. Legendary goal not so much legendary player, he was a mainly a sub. If he is such a massive legend then York and Cole are even bigger ones. And what about poor Sheringham, doesn't get any legendary credit for the equalizer.
 

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One thing is for certain:

He CANNOT be in charge when we go to Anfield in the second half of the season.
 

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Exactly. Legendary goal not so much legendary player, he was a mainly a sub. If he is such a massive legend then York and Cole are even bigger ones. And what about poor Sheringham, doesn't get any legendary credit for the equalizer.
Has Sheringham ever dipped his toe in the managerial waters? And would he be interested in doing so for around £20million? (Asked on behalf of Ed Woodward).
 

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I certainly hope you’re right. I’m pessimistic though, with the talk that the Board are “desperate” for Ole to turn things around. I fear they are simply kicking the can down the road till they have no choice but to act.
I think they are just working out if they have any alternatives to Conte, even if by some miracle we win next three games the next bad run of form wouldn’t be far away. This is all over sooner rather than later.
 

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What I have been saying for the last few days. The club haven't' moved because they have no idea who they want/can get. If The board wanted Conte, Ole would have been sacked on Monday.
This club should have started looking at the possibility Ole might need replacing after the Young Boys defeat (imo, should have been after the final against Villareal. The club is stuck in limbo but I understand why they have not sacked him yet.
 

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Quite a few sources have indicated this, seems we've put all our eggs in one basket. Which I find a bit concerning, considering the way we ended last season he should've been on his final chance, even moreso after getting Ronaldo, Sancho and Varane.
 

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What I have been saying for the last few days. The club haven't' moved because they have no idea who they want/can get. If The board wanted Conte, Ole would have been sacked on Monday.
This club should have started looking at the possibility Ole might need replacing after the Young Boys defeat (imo, should have been after the final against Villareal. The club is stuck in limbo but I understand why they have not sacked him yet.
Thats no excuse. They should have sacked him and left Phelan Carrick in charge temporarily. At least they know you cant play 442 with 9 players.
 

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Thats no excuse. They should have sacked him and left Phelan Carrick in charge temporarily. At least they know you cant play 442 with 9 players.
It further regresses the success of the season, the team will likely slip further down the table and if Ole takes charge of another UCL game it's a further risk to not even qualify the group two seasons in a row. The club should offer Conte a 12 month plan while assessing who Is ideal to lead the club forward. Conte is both unemployed and seemingly has no other big club interest he's got hardly any standing in negotiations.
 

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In response to your final point, perhaps he's willing to give them time? I suspect he'll prefer to stay loyal to the current coaches, given their past connections to the team, rather than look for another coach.

As I see it, a manager has four main areas to oversee:
1) man management
2) instilling footballing philosophy, and integrate into tactical preparation
3) coaching players to fit with point 2)
4) finding players that can be coached to fulfil point 2)

Managers can outsource parts 3 and 4, but needs to be in charge of at least parts 1 and 2. Most managers seem to do 1), 2), and 3). By all accounts, Ferguson did 1), 2), and arguably 4).

Ole's man management seems to me to be his forte. His tactical acumen is open to debate because we simply don't know from our position whether his footballing vision is poor, or whether he has good awareness but has coaches that are struggling to implement it. I think most would agree that we have decent players who ought to be able to follow instructions. People might point to Phelan and say he ought to know what to do, but apparently he also doesn't take charge of training. If Ole were sacked, would the next manager keep hold of the current first team coaches? Very unlikely. As Neville would put it, we need the 'best in class' coaches to let a relative novice manager focus on points 1) and 2), and we need Fletcher and Murtough to be brilliant at 4). That's the only way our performances can gain some kind of consistency. In my opinion...

I think the change would - and should - have come way before now if your theory was correct. I think if you were going into your fourth season and your coaching staff still wasn’t able to implement your style, then that says as much about you as a manager as it does about your coaching staff.

In terms of his man-management. I mean, look, the players clearly like him. There is no doubt about that. He seems a thoroughly decent bloke who's able to, generally speaking, engender goodwill and harmony amongst the players and staff. Fine. Now whether that can be construed as good man-management I suppose is up for debate and how you would define it. Good man-management is also the ability to get certain players playing above their level. Obviously, there's a limit to that, but I don't see that much evidence of him truly improving players way above the level they've shown previously. He's done well with Shaw considering where he was under Mourinho, but I wouldn't say he's improved him necessarily. He's just gone back to where he was before the whole Jose psychodrama and before he had that bad break. I know it seems churlish not to give him credit here, but I just don't take it as self-evident that he's a great man-manager in that sense

Anyway, none of what I say above matters, because, ultimately, I'm not buying this theory. I know you’re only asking the question, but I think it’s a lot more simple than that. I think we have a situation on our hands where the man in charge has reached his limits. His ceiling has been reached and he’s done all he can. No shame it in at all. Not everyone can be a world-class coach. He is a decent manager, but not good enough for us. Simple as that. I mean, I also don’t like the coaching staff so this isn’t a defense of them.

It’s a collective failure.
 

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I have to believe now the decision has already been made to bring in Conte. But with that decision comes important details involving his assistant coaches that need to get worked out. This can’t be done in 48-72 hours. And as frustrating as it is for us, it’s probably for the best that Conte not get dropped into a situation where he has to manage 3 matches in 8 days while still learning his way around Carrington and dealing with the media insanity.
 

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Can just imagine Ole asking the players what team they want to put out and what system to play against Spurs. We win and once again Ole is back at the wheel. Feckin disgraceful him being given a stay of execution.
 

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What I have been saying for the last few days. The club haven't' moved because they have no idea who they want/can get. If The board wanted Conte, Ole would have been sacked on Monday.
This club should have started looking at the possibility Ole might need replacing after the Young Boys defeat (imo, should have been after the final against Villareal. The club is stuck in limbo but I understand why they have not sacked him yet.
I think it’s probably the case that they have thought about who the next man will be but haven’t identified an obvious candidate to take over in the interim.
 

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He wouldn’t still be here at any other top club on the planet. It’s so sad. I can’t believe this wasn’t done on Sunday night as an immediate and swift reaction.

Don’t kid yourselves, we are an absolute mess.
 

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What do you think of this and who might the player be?
I really hope that's true as it's one of the most baffling things about his coaching. It's such a lose-lose having a set of players who know they will start no matter how poorly they play because not only are you taking away those last % of motivation for them, it also puts the guys that doesn't play in a hopeless situation because no matter what they do they don't get to play anyway.
 

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At this point, the players are no longer being controlled by Ole, needing Ronaldo to step up and persuade the lads to back Ole in his last few matches. I’ll say he’ll last a WEEK max, after that, Conte or hopefully Zidane in. I can’t bother to get another ‘average’ manager and Pochettino is just unproven to be picked for our managerial squad. If we’re challenging titles for all our competitions, we also need managers who already have experience of winning multiple silverware. Ole is a great player but we need to separate playing from managing, they are two completely different things.

If Ole is still here after a week, it’s for the interest of the board, because other managers would attack the board while Ole is a ‘nice guy’. You can’t be nice in football, you need to be ruthless to win.
 

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He wouldn’t still be here at any other top club on the planet. It’s so sad. I can’t believe this wasn’t done on Sunday night as an immediate and swift reaction.

Don’t kid yourselves, we are an absolute mess.
We have been a mess for a very long time, we sign players to satisfy fans cravings for 2/3 months and then back to the mess.

Always papering over cracks. There has been no long term thought or planning.

If there was a footballing person in the organisation, Ole would have gone a long time ago. Its unfortunate that the club is run by Woodward, Arnold, Judge who have no clue about football, they probably looked at the table at the end and saw United in a final and thought, wow what a wonderful job Ole is doing.
 

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Would have accepted Fletcher taking it just to see us through to international break but never gonna happen
 

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Scenes when it's the same XI against Spurs on Saturday. :lol:
It actually would not help him much if he suddenly picks VdB, Bailly, Lingard and so on. They would be lacking match sharpness and still not be satisfied with him - as they would be fully aware that he did it only when his job came under serious threat. Rotation should have come earlier, now he does not have good options. I would guess he won't rotate much but will choose a very cautious approach against Spurs and City if he survives until that. But if he somehow goes 4-2-4 again - then he should really go to mental clinic and have himself checked. And I am not even joking. The only way a sane person would do that is if he is trying to get himself sacked, and Ole is clearly not.
 

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I’m guessing that player is Bailly, or probably more likely that it’s just speculation crap and there is no such player
The nerve of him. He should have started against Leicester as Maguire was clearly unfit. But I remember a cup game last season when for once we rested Maguire in a cup game but he still needed to come on after 45 minutes because surprise surprise Bailly got injured.
 

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The nerve of him. He should have started against Leicester as Maguire was clearly unfit. But I remember a cup game last season when for once we rested Maguire in a cup game but he still needed to come on after 45 minutes because surprise surprise Bailly got injured.
Bringing on Maguire if Bailly gets injured in the 2nd half > bringing on Cavani 0-5 at OT.

Also Bailly's performance in the West Ham cup game was better than most of Maguire's performances this season.

Will be interesting to see if Ole does what's right and drops the underperformers vs Tottenham or if he's too proud to use the (presumed) backstabbers.
 

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Same XI, same non-working formation and tactics (if any?). If Ole does this, I swear... :mad: :mad: :mad:
He's pretty much fecked either way: If he plays the same team he's slaughtered because they're clearly not playing for him and you cannot play the same team after getting embarrassed 5-0. If he changes his team and brings in the likes of Bailly, VDB, etc, it highlights that he was wrong all along and cannot be trusted to pick the correct team anyway.
 

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I am hoping and I think it is the case that Ole is already sacked and is just serving as a placeholder until a new manager is appointed over the international break. To be fair, appointing a new manager now would be tough as his first two league fixtures would be Spurs away and city at home.

I think we'll see a couple of shocking performances over the next week or so, Ole will go, and Conte will be appointed over the break.
 
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