Would you take Ten Hag at United?

Would you take Ten Hag at United?

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Can’t we just make a right move for f once!
Just have a deal with him and for once put a plan.
 

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PSG will sack Poch and get him, whereas we will get the former and suffer forever more
 

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If we wanted him, it would take a longer term plan to get him at the end of the season, starting now.

Unfortunately, our board works on a as late as possible basis, so not happening.

If Barca don't take him, he'll be snapped up by someone else.
 

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You think an Ajax man would play 3 at the back at United to accommodate a kid that's doing well in the championship? He'd rather give up his left nut.
I think he'd develop him as an attacking full back and I think that will be his future role.

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Laird, Elanga, Amad, Hannibal etc will all be of use to him IMO.

Also (assuming he's appointed) don't be surprised if he brings in a keeper on the national minimum wage who will help him in the initial build up phase on the ball.
Absolutely. Maybe he can work with Henderson, but it's not like he's that young either.

No top manager is gonna be a yes man. Zidane left his beloved Madrid twice after a dispute with Perez. Guardiola left Barcelona and Bayern because of the same thing. Conte, we all know him. Tuchel had disputes with PSG and Dortmund. Klopp seems to be the only legitimately chill guy.
None of those names, no. What about Rodgers? Or Potter, not that he's been linked. I don't see them coming in with such leverage.

I'd say there's a spectrum of how manageable potential managers will be for the owners. Depending on their track record, how sought after they are, and their personality.
 

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Getting him as manager seems way too good to be true at the moment.

By no means is he a cert but we’ve got to try the exciting, upcoming ’hipster’ coach route at some point. He could fail miserably of course but that’s the risk we‘ve got to take if we do. Doing it for Ajax and doing it for United are different worlds.
Which manager have we ever signed who was guaranteed to succeed and did infact go on to succeed ? Hypothetically, even if we get pep or klop its not guaranteed that they'd succeed at utd.

The option are:
a) stick with ole and continue to be mediocre.
b) try and get someone better who might lead us to success or might fail and we'd continue to be mediocre.

I don't see how option a is better than the alternative ?
 

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If we wanted him, it would take a longer term plan to get him at the end of the season, starting now.

Unfortunately, our board works on a as late as possible basis, so not happening.

If Barca don't take him, he'll be snapped up by someone else.
Xavi will go to Barca. They will never take a person with zero Barca affiliation or even a non Spanish speaking coach at this low point in their existence.

I would say he is a candidate for City after Pep leaves.
 

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I hope the club have a gentleman's agreement for him to come before the start of the next season. Ajax's first xi is pretty much a cheaper version of ours. He'd do well with our current squad, plus 1 or 2 to plug our central midfield mess.
 

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I hope the club have a gentleman's agreement for him to come before the start of the next season. Ajax's first xi is pretty much a cheaper version of ours. He'd do well with our current squad, plus 1 or 2 to plug our central midfield mess.
He'd probably need a new keeper too tbh. De Gea just isn't very good on the ball and he sticks to his line far too often.
 

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He'd probably need a new keeper too tbh. De Gea just isn't very good on the ball and he sticks to his line far too often.
We can probably get the saudis to splash 100m on ddg and martial. I'd even throw in jones for free as a buy 2 get 1 free offer.
 

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He'd probably need a new keeper too tbh. De Gea just isn't very good on the ball and he sticks to his line far too often.
We do have Henderson though. Not the most modern keeper himself and possibly won't ultimately be good enough but enough of a step in that direction to bridge us over until we get around to signing a top level goalkeeper who fits.
 

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Have to get him. Short contract initially and improve it if he does well. Let’s hope we can scrape a champions league spot this season while securing him for next.
 

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The more i read about him the more i want him. Why can't we make a proactive decision for once?
 

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Amad development plan is a weird one. We blocked Atalanta request for loan and then made him play in U23. Makes you wonder why we even bought him when our finances were tight.
I think signing Amad was the correct move for the RWF role, and he should've got minutes on the right along with Mason. I think the Sancho move didn't make a lot of sense for us when we had already bought Amad who was a natural on the right. The Sancho money should've been spent on midfield. But it seems to me like the manager and recruitment staff weren't on the same page.

Take Anthony from Ajax as a example, they (Ajax) bought him from Brazil at 19/20 for £15m and he's starring for them on the right hand side at UCL level with 3 assists in the game earlier. And it wasn't like he was unheard of either, if one has interest in following emerging talents. We as fans can't look past said player who will cost a premium and should instead take more interest in the development of a style of play from back to front and see which players and not player, fit into that style of play. So I was hoping Amad was gonna be given a chance on the right and we spent the Sancho money on midfield. But it seems Solskjaer had other ideas.
 

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Laird as wing back? ETH doesn't play use wingbacks and Laird isn't an exceptional talent.
Gravenberch and De Jong are very, very different players. He'd love to have De Jong, but I have no clue why he would want Gravenberch when he has Bruno, Hannibal and VDB.

It's mostly the defenders he'll have a hard time making tick in his system. AWB, Maguire and DDG lack ability on the ball. Ajax wouldn't take any of them.
I don't see him wasting funds on Anthony when he would have Greenwood, Sancho and Amad and we need a DM + the above sorting out.
Laird is most definitely an exceptional talent, and he’d be a RB.

We do have Henderson though. Not the most modern keeper himself and possibly won't ultimately be good enough but enough of a step in that direction to bridge us over until we get around to signing a top level goalkeeper who fits.
Yeah, and even if he didn’t want to wait, we could get Onana for free in the summer.

And it’s difficult for me to believe he wouldn’t use VDB in place of Pogba.

He could very well end up needing to spend on only one signing (DM), a signing we need to make anyway.
 

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So then we are fine with Ole till the end of the season - considering Ten Hag won’t dip out of this season considering Ajax form in the CL unless they crash out sooner than later, but will we lose top 4 with ole at the wheel? If glazers want a interim who would we go with to steer us over the line?
 

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So then we are fine with Ole till the end of the season - considering Ten Hag won’t dip out of this season considering Ajax form in the CL unless they crash out sooner than later, but will we lose top 4 with ole at the wheel? If glazers want a interim who would we go with to steer us over the line?
Wayne fecking Rooney. I have no idea. :lol:
 

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And that was against Liverpool at Anfield last year, where they lost 1-0.
 

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I wish we had smart people that actually cared running the club, should be putting a feeler out to him if he would accept the job at the end of the season
 

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Not bad for a 'flavour of the month' who has been showing his class for several years now.

 

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Not bad for a 'flavour of the month' who has been showing his class for several years now.

Cam you trust a manager whose team got dismantled?

On a serious note, ETH should have been brought in last summer. He was a known quantity, and everything would have been teed up perfectly for him to get this squad into shape playing proper football. I’m not that confident he can be talked into now.
 

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I wish we had smart people that actually cared running the club, should be putting a feeler out to him if he would accept the job at the end of the season
Romano and Custis have both reported that he's on our short list. Custis has even said that he's one of the 4 targets (3 now) who they've made indirect contact with regarding their plans for the team. I think the list might even be down to two, for Custis now, with Zidane and Conte out of the picture. Sami Mokbel has also reported that United are interested in ten Hag.
 

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Romano and Custis have both reported that he's on our short list. Custis has even said that he's one of the 4 targets (3 now) who they've made indirect contact with regarding their plans for the team. I think the list might even be down to two, for Custis now, with Zidane and Conte out of the picture. Sami Mokbel has also reported that United are interested in ten Hag.
He's on the list, but the priority targets are Poch and Rodgers, apparently.
 

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What has he done to suggest he could manage a big club like United?

Although Rogers would be an even worse choice imo.
 

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He's on the list, but the priority targets are Poch and Rodgers, apparently.
Custis doesn't mention Poch and it seems like it will be a straight choice between ten Hag and Rodgers if Custis is correct.

Fabrizio Romano on the other hand names Poch along with ten Hag and Rodgers as the 3 targets.

I think after tonight, ten Hag will likely be a higher priority, if he wasn't already IMO.
 

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What has he done to suggest he could manage a big club like United?

Although Rogers would be an even worse choice imo.
He's shown the ability to implement zonal/positional control with emphasis on ball possession at the highest level consistently against the best teams in Europe, playing superb football to boot, whilst losing half his team.. And that is very important for me when I judge a coach at the highest level.
 
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Pretty much of his players are brilliant on the ball - isn't it ?

DDG,Fred,McT,AWB - that's 4 gone.
 

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Are there any pages/posts in this thread with a realistic breakdown of how he'd use our current squad - the one where nobody is in for our high earners and he basically has to make do with what's here or probably gets a £100m summer to improve the squad?

Is he the type that would try and raid Ajax, or could anyone visualise where he'd be looking to spend that budget on priority players/positions?

Super imposing his concepts and personnel onto our players, is he utilising Pogba, Bruno and Sancho in the same team? Is he going to get the best out of Ronaldo, or have a hard time fitting him in etc.

I struggle to see how he won't be at Barcelona if they want him, I also doubt we have the footballing brains in the club to really impress upon the money men that this guy is a big deal.

We could do with the majority of Ajax's infrastructure: Van der Sar, Overmaars and whichever key men ten Hag would want to bring with him, but that's not going to happen, and from Ajax's POV, nor should it.

Our club needs to be dragged out of the dark ages and modernised without interruption; does this guy have the resilience to stick to the task with admirable mental fortitude should the media or our meddling ex-players get on his back?

I like what he brings on the pitch, but would hope he has the stones as a coach to handle big egos, systemic rot (in weeding it out rather than succumbing) and can handle the not so nice parts of the job here off the pitch.
 

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I think signing Amad was the correct move for the RWF role, and he should've got minutes on the right along with Mason. I think the Sancho move didn't make a lot of sense for us when we had already bought Amad who was a natural on the right. The Sancho money should've been spent on midfield. But it seems to me like the manager and recruitment staff weren't on the same page.

Take Anthony from Ajax as a example, they (Ajax) bought him from Brazil at 19/20 for £15m and he's starring for them on the right hand side at UCL level with 3 assists in the game earlier. And it wasn't like he was unheard of either, if one has interest in following emerging talents. We as fans can't look past said player who will cost a premium and should instead take more interest in the development of a style of play from back to front and see which players and not player, fit into that style of play. So I was hoping Amad was gonna be given a chance on the right and we spent the Sancho money on midfield. But it seems Solskjaer had other ideas.
Yes Sancho after Amad looks an unplanned move. I just hope we haven’t ruined another young talent.

We have some exciting talent in academy but i am not sure if Ole has what it takes when it comes to squad management. We have a bloated squad and opportunities for the young players are few and far in between.
 

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Are there any pages/posts in this thread with a realistic breakdown of how he'd use our current squad - the one where nobody is in for our high earners and he basically has to make do with what's here or probably gets a £100m summer to improve the squad?

Is he the type that would try and raid Ajax, or could anyone visualise where he'd be looking to spend that budget on priority players/positions?

Super imposing his concepts and personnel onto our players, is he utilising Pogba, Bruno and Sancho in the same team? Is he going to get the best out of Ronaldo, or have a hard time fitting him in etc.

I struggle to see how he won't be at Barcelona if they want him, I also doubt we have the footballing brains in the club to really impress upon the money men that this guy is a big deal.

We could do with the majority of Ajax's infrastructure: Van der Sar, Overmaars and whichever key men ten Hag would want to bring with him, but that's not going to happen, and from Ajax's POV, nor should it.

Our club needs to be dragged out of the dark ages and modernised without interruption; does this guy have the resilience to stick to the task with admirable mental fortitude should the media or our meddling ex-players get on his back?

I like what he brings on the pitch, but would hope he has the stones as a coach to handle big egos, systemic rot (in weeding it out rather than succumbing) and can handle the not so nice parts of the job here off the pitch.
There are a few players obviously that he would probably look to improve on - but no coach is going to come into a perfect team. Pep had to move out some of the older players and what not when he came into City too. He has a very good base of players he can build around though. Players like Mason, Marcus, Jadon, Shaw, Bruno and Varane would all look great under him imo. You then have the group below that could maybe flourish under him - Pogba, Maguire, Shaw and Fred (who I think in the right system could be invaluable with his high energy style). He would most likely phase in younger players too - the likes of Laird, Hannibal etc. Players like Lingard, MCT etc. who may not be starters in the squad, would be good squad players.

He would probably bring in a GK, but assuming the recruitment is adequate, I don't see him needing more than one or two windows to have a team he can really start working with, the base is already there.

Ronaldo is an obvious question, but given his age and style - I don't think many managers would be able to fit him in without having to sacrifice something, I don't see us extending his contract anyway though. The media and ex players will give him more than enough time to get things right - Ole is over 3 years into the job and it's only now people have really started putting the pressure on him and that's because his performance has really given them no option. If 3 years in, we still aren't seeing improvements to the required level, we'd probably all be on board with the fact that he hasn't achieved expectations anyway.

He's also dealt with difficult personalities before - Ziyech was reportedly quite a difficult character but he did quite well under Ten Hag.

The only question mark I'd have is his handling of media - but honestly if he's performing, I don't think anyone will give a shite. This fan base and board has illustrated by now that they will support managers to the fecking end, even when they're not performing well enough, let alone a manager who is doing well.
 

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Jurgen Klopp
“Erik [ten Hag] is rightly regarded as one of the most exciting coaching talents in world football at the moment because of the work he does with Ajax,” Klopp said in December 2020.

“Of course, it is a wonderful club – one of the stellar names of European football – but in this moment it is clear they have outstanding leadership of the organisation and Erik is a big part of that.

“They have had to adapt in recent seasons after losing a few players to rival clubs. I remember from my own experience at Dortmund how that feels and what a challenge it is.

“How they deal with it is exceptional. The foundations of the team remain solid and they have recruited well. They have a clear identity. I love watching them, I have to say.”

Karl Heinz-Rummenigge
“First of all, I have to say, that he’s a very kind man,” the Bayern Munich chairman said in December 2018. “It’s not always easy to be on good terms with Dutchmen as Germans. We have witnessed this with Louis [van Gaal]!

“But Erik is a very pleasant guy. I also think he’s capable of doing big things as a coach and he’s proving this now.

“I think this Ajax team is the best one they’ve had for 10 years. Around the last years, they were not one of the top international teams, but he is leading them gradually back at a high level.”

Dusan Tadic
“What is the biggest thing about Erik I think is his fanaticism and that he wants to improve us every day and he really likes football and this is really great for players because always they want to help you improve.”

Andre Onana
“When we lose the ball, we must win it back immediately,” Onana told AFP in May 2019. “He is focused on that, he is always telling us that if we have control of the ball, we have the ability to push back any opponent.”

Daley Blind
“Johan Cruyff’s philosophy and spirit still flows around in this club,” Blind told BT Sport in May 2019. “Erik ten Hag is doing very well now. He wants us to play attacking football but most of all without any fear.”

Will Magee
“When it comes to Ten Hag’s favoured style of play, the Cruyffian influence is unavoidable,” Magee wrote in The Independent in 2019. “There is a reason that his approach has been dubbed ‘Total Football 2.0’.

“If the original premise of Total Football was that outfield players should be flexible, adaptable and to some degree interchangeable in their positioning as they sought to create and exploit space, Ten Hag’s side live up to their billing.

“Their full-backs, usually Nicolas Tagliafico and Joel Veltman, push high and double up as auxiliary attackers, while their wingers, David Neres and Hakim Ziyech, are equally capable of roaming in-field dangerously."

Erik Ten Hag
“I watch Bayern play every weekend,” Ten Hag told SZ in April 2019. “Since Pep, football in Germany is different, I looked at almost every training back then, and I took a lot of methodical lessons on how to transfer his philosophy to the pitch.

“I want to have possession and hurt the opponent. It’s about possession, about movement, about vertical attacking patterns, about pressing, wingers moving into the middle to make room for the full-backs. Everyone is attacking, everyone is defending.
My guess is that he's nailed on to replace Pep when he leaves.
 
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