The Athletic: "Man Utd coaches trying Jadon Sancho as RWB"

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Like I've been saying for a month now, he's ruining the careers of players. Whether it be playing them unfit or situations like this, he's legitimately harming careers. These are Sancho's most important years as a footballer and he's being pigeon holed to a new position instead of one that promotes his abilities. If I were his agent I'd want him gone from this club. Their recruitment was a lie.
 

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Sancho doesn’t have explosive pace and I’m not so sure about his stamina. I really can’t see him bombing up and down a wing for 90 minutes and still playing similar game to what he’s been doing for Dortmund at least.

He’s more one two-two’s, close control and cutting infield to create chances and then playing the final ball, rather than your typical winger. I don’t see it at all with him.

It’s actually a bit scary that they thought of doing this, as it would completely take away his main attributes.
 

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Now we know what Carrick is doing on the iPad during games. He’s selecting retrain player on FM
 

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Like I've been saying for a month now, he's ruining the careers of players. Whether it be playing them unfit or situations like this, he's legitimately harming careers. These are Sancho's most important years as a footballer and he's being pigeon holed to a new position instead of one that promotes his abilities. If I were his agent I'd want him gone from this club. Their recruitment was a lie.
Which hashtag on Instagram should we use to make his agent notice this brutality?
 

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I'd say that it's not really a ridiculous idea. The issue lies deeper — that we have turned to this formation due to a complete lack of confidence in our defense and midfield. If we accept this formation is a given, it's probably the best use of Sancho, considering that we have only 1 free spot in attack next to Bruno & Cristiano and there are already Cavani, Rashford, Greenwood (not to mention Martial, Lingard, Mata :lol: and possibly Amad) fighting for it. But we shouldn't accept this formation is a given.
This. If ever there was a sign to our passive board that we have a one way ticket to nowhere with Ole, this is it. We have been outplayed or evenly matched by every singe team bar Leeds and Newcastle (and that was quite even until the last quarter) and he's shrunk into his shell and gone to 5 at the back & 2 limited CMs who sit because he completely and utterly out of his depth and cannot stop a team packed with quality conceding goals. Put him out of his misery.
 

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I don't even find humour in this. We're buying players and ruining them, and this will be the worst action of the lot, if it's true.

If it was mooted that they had no clue what to do with a player who has been pursued for over 3 years now, this would be the definitive confirmation.
 

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A story that would be completely unbelievable at any other club. At United its probably true.
 

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Which hashtag on Instagram should we use to make his agent notice this brutality?
Probably a good idea to at least pretend you care about success at the club instead of mocking people for at least promoting something
 

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I agree with @Sarni 's take now. We need to loan him out ASAP. Need to get him away from Solskjaer, McKenna and co for his own good
 

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Why are people trying to justify this?

He has run out of coherent ideas and is hoping to luck into a solution, that isn't something a top club should be doing.

Just fecking go already, it is over.
 

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So the solution to our issues in a 4231 is to take a player from the back four and put him in the front 4? I actually want to see it, just for fun.
It's a very very offensive formation that has a lot of flaws, mainly it's defensive weakness.

But it's also very effective in playing against low block teams.

Pep has used this numerous times, he actually played 3-2-5 a lot of times when he came to the PL.

What it would look like if we played it, and do we know how,....that's a different story.

Let's give it a go.

Ronaldo/Cavani

Rashford ------ Bruno -------- VDB ------ Sancho

Fred ------ McTominay

Shaw ------- Maguire ------ Varane

DDG
 

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So we spent 70m on an attacking minded winger so we can develop him into a wingback? Thank god we have Ole, Fletcher and Murtough at the wheel. Who would have thought of such plan?
 

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It's all about self preservation now for Ole. Expect plenty more madness with formations and shoehorning players until we're finally rid.

I'd hate to be a player under him right now.
 

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Maybe Ole is reading this but there is a solution that includes playing a back three and having Sancho, Rashford and Bruno in the same starting eleven. It's Bielsa's 3331.

Good luck.
 

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So we spent 70m on an attacking minded winger so we can develop him into a wingback? Thank god we have Ole, Fletcher and Murtough at the wheel. Who would have thought of such plan?
I don't know how much of this can be laid at Fletcher and Murtough in fairness.
 

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Yeah.

The title sounds more stupid then it actually is.

He's a right sided player, a difference in calling him a right wingback or right wing or right back is only that - a definition that is defined merely by a couple of yards and the coaches instructions.

We could play him like Jose played Maicon in Inter, zero defensive duties with Mctominay or Fred roaming to the right to cover for him.

What we should be praising is the ability to at least try and change something.
If he could somehow shoehorn VDB in that team who knows what we could be capable of playing.

Only downside is, it takes time. I'm afraid Ole doesn't have the luxury of time on his hands.
That's just not true, Maicon played as a right back, a Jose Mourinho right back that has no defensive duties, that's laughable. Maicon used to venture forward but so do most dynamic fullbacks and yes Stankovic/Cambiasso used to support him when he was forward but that's just basic tactical awareness, there isn't a team playing football on earth that doesn't support it's fullbacks when they're forward. Maicons job was primarily defensive, just because he got 11 assists in the league doesn't mean he had zero defensive responsibility.
 

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I wouldn't be at all surprised if the next manager sees Shaw/Telles as the wide left player and Sancho as the wide right one, with Sancho higher up the pitch and a tucked in right-sided defender like Kyle Walker for City or Di Lorenzo was for Italy at the world cup.
Possibly. But would you trust our current set up to coach that into a team?
 

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Great idea. But you should've gone for Messi instead of Ronaldo, he'd be perfect for the LWB role in Solskjaer's system
 

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It's amazing that Maguire, Shaw, Wan-Bissaka, and Lindelof are playing so poorly that they're starting to harm other players' careers. :(
 

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It's a very very offensive formation that has a lot of flaws, mainly it's defensive weakness.

But it's also very effective in playing against low block teams.

Pep has used this numerous times, he actually played 3-2-5 a lot of times when he came to the PL.

What it would look like if we played it, and do we know how,....that's a different story.

Let's give it a go.

Ronaldo/Cavani

Rashford ------ Bruno -------- VDB ------ Sancho

Fred ------ McTominay

Shaw ------- Maguire ------ Varane

DDG
I'm sorry but that's a terrible idea when the staff can't balance a 4231 with AWB. I could eventually understand it if you used Bielsa's 3331 as an example but a 3241 is a terrible suggestion.
 

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McFred
Sancho Rashford
Bruno
Cavani Ronaldo

3232.

all our problems sorted.
 

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Maybe Ole is reading this but there is a solution that includes playing a back three and having Sancho, Rashford and Bruno in the same starting eleven. It's Bielsa's 3331.

Good luck.
And marking players man-for-man? Good fecking luck with that with our squad…
 

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How about we get rid of the fecking inept manager and his coaching staff and get someone in who can get the best of the players in their actual positions instead? Nah, crazy suggestion.
 
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I can remember Terry Venables’ England team, sometimes, doing something similar during Euro 96. Three at the back, with Mcmanaman and Anderton as attacking wingbacks. He (Venables) seemed to be obsessed with Holland and Ajax at the time, so I assume Ajax did something similar?
 

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Yeah.

The title sounds more stupid then it actually is.

He's a right sided player, a difference in calling him a right wingback or right wing or right back is only that - a definition that is defined merely by a couple of yards and the coaches instructions.

We could play him like Jose played Maicon in Inter, zero defensive duties with Mctominay or Fred roaming to the right to cover for him.

What we should be praising is the ability to at least try and change something.
If he could somehow shoehorn VDB in that team who knows what we could be capable of playing.

Only downside is, it takes time. I'm afraid Ole doesn't have the luxury of time on his hands.
Maicon wasn't a winger. At Monaco he was a right back/wing back and at Inter he was a right back. He was used in his natural positions.
 

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Yeah.

The title sounds more stupid then it actually is.

He's a right sided player, a difference in calling him a right wingback or right wing or right back is only that - a definition that is defined merely by a couple of yards and the coaches instructions.

We could play him like Jose played Maicon in Inter, zero defensive duties with Mctominay or Fred roaming to the right to cover for him.

What we should be praising is the ability to at least try and change something.
If he could somehow shoehorn VDB in that team who knows what we could be capable of playing.

Only downside is, it takes time. I'm afraid Ole doesn't have the luxury of time on his hands.
Only that Sancho is an inverted player and pretty much lacks the core competences of a great wing back. He's not fast, he's not strong, he's an average crosser. He'd probably still do a decent job offensively but what makes him great will be absolutely wasted. Solskjaer really is a total clown
 

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Remember people used to banter us for Mourinho turning players in to wing-backs. I’m not sure whether it actually happened but it’s quite funny that it’s actually Ole who’s involved in this feckery.