IrishRedDevil
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Ronaldo, Greenwood and Martial don’t press either.How PSG play has little to do with Poch., We all know he's a high press coach and his front three don't press. So very little of what happen reflects on him either way
Ronaldo, Greenwood and Martial don’t press either.How PSG play has little to do with Poch., We all know he's a high press coach and his front three don't press. So very little of what happen reflects on him either way
I imagine he'd be reluctant to come after we had the opportunity and passed/made him second choice. Any number of things could and will change before summer. I can see a few big clubs with managers that I think could be replaceable come summer.And where will he go in the meantime? City?
Some barometer of hard work there. "I work harder than a player who has one foot in Madrid and the 34 year old who listens to no one"Neymar is usually the hardest working player of the 3 (far more than Messi or Mbappé) but clearly wasn't in a good night.
This PSG team has nowhere near the level of midfield as that Barca team. Other than Veratti PSGs midfielders are bang average. Fred would walk into that midfield.Yeah, it's effectively a broken but incredibly talented team and the best way to manage is to play on the counter a fair bit, like the 2015 Barca CL winning team with Neymar-Suarez-Messi (2/3rds of the same frontline obviously, but 6 years older and less into tracking back or pressing) that I knew (and bet on) would win the final once Juve followed up their equalizer by continuing to try to dominate and push high up and leave themselves open to a counter from that trio.
We should hire Pochettino IF we think he's the man to turn a team with a Greenwood-Rashford-Sancho-Bruno front 4 (maybe Diallo instead of Rashford) and a Varane led backline into a quality team, since that's really all we can be reasonably sure of after next year.
Signing Rice would make a ton of sense if we get Poch, as he would fit what Poch did at Spurs and Southampton well, since Rice can be the DM when he plays 4 at the back and the 3rd CB when he goes to 3 at the back (which he learned from Bielsa). Other things that would seem likely to be replicated are Bruno playing where Eriksen did as a 10 who also gets a lot of time on the right of a midfield 3 with license to get forward. VDB could play the #10 role Deli Alli did when Bruno is more right-sided, with Sancho out left and one of Greenwood or Rashford up top.
So yeah, I wouldn't worry about the PSG stuff too much, if he's hired it should be because we think he's the man to lead our talented forward line and new midfield (maybe one more season of Fred as the 8 playing with a new 6 and Bruno/VDB) over the next few years.
TLDR: We should hire without looking at Poch's PSG time or Cristiano's existence. If the next manager is a success he'll be here for at least 5 years.
The front 3 don’t press or help in defense and their midfield is average.Not for me. With the amount of quality in that side they played premium quality rubbish football. Thats the difference between a mediocre manager and great ones. Pep or Klopp for example would have that PSG side playing brilliantly.
Still Ten Hag for me.
Played counter a lot with Spurs too..How PSG play has little to do with Poch., We all know he's a high press coach and his front three don't press. So very little of what happen reflects on him either way
There was a moment tonight where PSG were under siege at the end of the first half and Messi, Neymar and Mbappe were strolling back towards the penalty area. They do whatever they want, ego's are out of controlNeymar is usually the hardest working player of the 3 (far more than Messi or Mbappé) but clearly wasn't in a good night.
well done CAF you're not disappointingI look forward to this thread when City win tonight
So was Fergusons to be fair.His record against Pep is abysmal. Man oh man I'm really not sure about him. We should try hard to get Ten Hag and Rangnick as an interim
Either way, they have too many players in the team who do not work hard enough. That will always hinder them from being able to match up to sides like City in possession.Neymar is usually the hardest working player of the 3 (far more than Messi or Mbappé) but clearly wasn't in a good night.
Struggled against Burnley and Wolves, tbf.Bayern?
Greenwood, Rashford, Bruno, Sancho could all be made into that type of player. You think Salah, Firminho and Mane were pressing machines before Klopp?Ronaldo, Greenwood and Martial don’t press either.
I agree with pretty much everything you've said, that's why I never wanted Messi but wanted a good midfielder or right winger instead. He made our unbalanced team even more unbalanced.Either way, they have too many players in the team who do not work hard enough. That will always hinder them from being able to match up to sides like City in possession.
Their midfield is nowhere near good enough to make up for the difference in numbers.
All 10 of Man City's outfield players contribute to defending and are hardworking. So, PSG have worse midfielders and are outnumbered in hard-working players. A bad recipe to match up to City.
https://fbref.com/en/players/c691bfe2/Sadio-ManeSome barometer of hard work there. "I work harder than a player who has one foot in Madrid and the 34 year old who listens to no one"
Muppet dream is overHe’ll want more than that to go there
How many of City's players pressed before they went to City?Ronaldo, Greenwood and Martial don’t press either.
Then the man you want is Ralph HasenhuttlI want someone capable of going up against Pep instead of shying away from it.
Just wait until you get Pogba.I agree with pretty much everything you've said, that's why I never wanted Messi but wanted a good midfielder or right winger instead. He made our unbalanced team even more unbalanced.
Your team isn't unbalanced if you use a similar setup to the one France use. You have the players.I agree with pretty much everything you've said, that's why I never wanted Messi but wanted a good midfielder or right winger instead. He made our unbalanced team even more unbalanced.
Were we? Lost to Jose's chelsea in the crunch game, lost to wenger's arsenal 3-0, Klopp's Liverpool knocked us out from europa. And then there were countless 0-0 draws.At least we were good in the big games
Martial is lucky to still even be a Utd player, bringing him up is a bit pointless. He doesn't have a future here unless the next manager really performs a unbelievable miracle.Ronaldo, Greenwood and Martial don’t press either.
You can setup that way but will you have more possession than City ?Your team isn't unbalanced if you use a similar setup to the one France use. You have the players.
Poch can't drop or threaten any of the front three, so they have no reason to press. The reason why Liverpool and City players work so hard is because they have a fear of their manager.Greenwood, Rashford, Bruno, Sancho could all be made into that type of player. You think Salah, Firminho and Mane were pressing machines before Klopp?
The problem with PSG is egos that have been enabled by their club and their money. They don't work for anybody. See them under Tuchel for example. All the evidence is there, you just need to get beyond your bias and look at what the problem is.
Problem with your argument is that Poch has almost zero control over PSG, meaning he can't really use his powers as a manager like Klopp or Guardiola can. If he drops Mbappe or Messi, he'll be in a world of trouble with both Leonardo and the French press. Players aren't gonna try hard when they have no reason to.How many of City's players pressed before they went to City?
You can teach people to press or else they're not playing surely? No excuses.
PSG don't want to let him go now. Personally, think he won't survive this season there and he will be open to take the job in the summer at latest. Understand the fear as I don't believe this board at all, but there is a big possibility that Pochettino is not the man also. I mean..I imagine he'd be reluctant to come after we had the opportunity and passed/made him second choice. Any number of things could and will change before summer. I can see a few big clubs with managers that I think could be replaceable come summer.
For me personally, I come at this from the point of view that I don't want the club to make another bad choice. I like Poch and ETH, but I can quite easily see a scenario where we miss out on them for whatever reason and we're left shopping in the next tier of managers. I feel like this Poch opportunity, if it is true, would be the club falling on their feet. They're being presented with a great opportunity that they shouldn't make a mess of. If they start messing about like usual, I can see situations changing and us being the ones with egg on our face yet again.
We'll end up with Valverde, or whoever, permanently if they finish top 4 and get along well with Woodward and the Glazers. I can just see it.
Ever since he took charge ahead of the 2014-'15 season, Spurs only managed to secure three wins from their 27 Premier League away games against the big six.
No chance would Klopp do well with that PsG side, Pep I’ll give you. Klopp would wanna rip it up and start again.Not for me. With the amount of quality in that side they played premium quality rubbish football. Thats the difference between a mediocre manager and great ones. Pep or Klopp for example would have that PSG side playing brilliantly.
Still Ten Hag for me.
Its same same reaction every year. It can't be an overreaction after a decade of PSG failing miserably.I just came to read the crazy overreactions. Well done cafe, you never disappoint.
Just wait until you get Pogba.
That's a bit more complicated than that, PSG had games when the team worked together. Against Barcelona, against Bayern last year etc. The problem is, our midfielders are so poor that players like Neymar have to be in the midfield and on offense at the same time while pressing, which is impossible when you don't have the ball often because you'd run far too much (and we know his workrate isn't tremendous). It could have been sort of OK with 1 lazy player (mbappé) and 1 decent working player in big games (Neymar) but you added Messi to the mix and it became impossible to handle.Greenwood, Rashford, Bruno, Sancho could all be made into that type of player. You think Salah, Firminho and Mane were pressing machines before Klopp?
The problem with PSG is egos that have been enabled by their club and their money. They don't work for anybody. See them under Tuchel for example. All the evidence is there, you just need to get beyond your bias and look at what the problem is.
Agree.The funny thing with ‘flavour of the month’ or ‘hipster’ managers is that they mostly all turn out to be good. I want ETH.
Poch was the Caf darling for many years.The funny thing with ‘flavour of the month’ or ‘hipster’ managers is that they mostly all turn out to be good. I want ETH.
How many of city’s players are superstars with mega egos?How many of City's players pressed before they went to City?
You can teach people to press or else they're not playing surely? No excuses.
I don't care about having more possession than City. First because it's not about City and secondly because possession isn't everything.You can setup that way but will you have more possession than City ?