Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?

Status
Not open for further replies.

Adnan

Talent Spotter
Joined
Oct 5, 2013
Messages
29,893
Location
England
Interesting suggestion I guess he might be to low profile for the United board, but surely he is someone coming from the RB universe, so there is a connection. Has won titles in Austria and Switzerland and in Germany he has a quite good big game record with (upper) midtable teams. Just now the 5-0 cup win against Bayern as the prime example.
He's a brilliant coach and I to this day can't understand why he's never got a opportunity at a big club. And from following his career over the years I can't think of him failing anywhere.
 

wormdoktor

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Feb 25, 2014
Messages
122
This is all pretty laughable. What's so ambitious about hiring a 60+ year old guy who has never worked at a top club? Who has never won a title but a single German Cup with Schalke? How come that's the extent of his career if he's such a messiah of football wisdom? Is Man United's aspiration to run like the well-oiled, unstoppable winning machines that are RasenBallsport Leipzig or TSG Hoffenheim?
This is what I'm thinking too. Watching stuff about him on youtube with his talk of systems, discipline etc reminds me of Van Gaal. I really really hope he does well and this all works out. Chances are we'll see a bounce when he takes charge, but I don't see why so many on here are hailing him as our messiah.
 

MrBest

Full Member
Joined
Feb 18, 2016
Messages
2,837
Not sure if you've been drinking, but how come Arsenal, Spurs, Everton and Milan all turned down this legend? :confused:
Not been drinking. I don't know why they turned him down, but perhaps because he is very direct amd wants to do things his own way on the style he believes is right. This is why I was shocked to see this happen, it's a reverse to the kind of person this board seem to like. Also, i think Spurs tried to get him in the summer but they never came to an agreement. He probably asked for control which Levy hates to give away. My view is, leave the football to footballing knows, owners and CEOs should not be making these decisions, they need to be informed or perhaps, consulted.
 

sport2793

Full Member
Joined
Feb 23, 2012
Messages
3,170
Location
USA
Not been drinking. I don't know why they turned him down, but perhaps because he is very direct amd wants to do things his own way on the style he believes is right. This is why I was shocked to see this happen, it's a reverse to the kind of person this board seem to like. Also, i think Spurs tried to get him in the summer but they never came to an agreement. He probably asked for control which Levy hates to give away. My view is, leave the football to footballing knows, owners and CEOs should not be making these decisions, they need to be informed or perhaps, consulted.
I think what helped in this case is that Rangnick seems to have good personal relationships with Murtough and Woodward developed over several years. Likely to be better received as a result.
 

Trophy Room

Full Member
Joined
Sep 16, 2014
Messages
3,880
Location
Manchester
YESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!
I said in another thread, the ideal scenario is we get Ralf R now, then in the Summer Ralf chooses the manager and he chooses Ten Hag.

Ralf is a football man, though and through. He won't bow to the likes of Woodward and his cronies. They'll either accept his footballing decisions or he'll leave.

IMO, medium-term, this is the guy (along with the new manager in the Summer) who can get us going head to head with MCFC, CFC and LFC. He won't accept failure.

His focus is fast passing, attacking football. He dislikes side/back passes. When we have the ball, he insists on fast forward passing. He believes that the GK is the weakest player on the ball, so he doesn't like the GK to see much of the ball.

You want fast tempo, hard pressing, relentless attacking football?
Ralf is your man.
You seem to know Ralf better than Ralf himself.
 

Delano

Full Member
Joined
Jul 7, 2016
Messages
1,513
The most exciting thing about this, is it shows a geniune long term approach that we've been lacking for so long.

As a Manager it's a good hire I think, but Rangnick's impact will be setting the standard for the club moving forward, moving us away from the boys club. Which we've been desperate for for years. Whilst he won't tolerate the lack of effort we show weekly.

Be really interesting to see the Manager he recommends. Not sure Poch is as nailed on now.
 

mu4c_20le

Full Member
Joined
Jul 7, 2013
Messages
43,932
Not been drinking. I don't know why they turned him down, but perhaps because he is very direct amd wants to do things his own way on the style he believes is right. This is why I was shocked to see this happen, it's a reverse to the kind of person this board seem to like. Also, i think Spurs tried to get him in the summer but they never came to an agreement. He probably asked for control which Levy hates to give away. My view is, leave the football to footballing knows, owners and CEOs should not be making these decisions, they need to be informed or perhaps, consulted.
Well, we're the kind of club that gives control to our managers, let's hope he can deliver.
 

glazed

Eats diamonds to beat thermodynamics
Joined
Sep 30, 2012
Messages
7,707
I don't think anyone can force him to not drop Ronaldo, but honestly I don't even think it will be his aim to drop Ronaldo, it will be his aim to organize the team around him to make up for the lack of against the ball committment that a player like Ronaldo naturally signifies. Ronaldo has amazing capabilities of historical greatness in an area that is of utmost importance - scoring goals -, would be dumb to not use those.
Maybe he's mellowed but my impression is that he's built his success on not compromising his principles. Which is perhaps why he never got a big club before.
 

Ixion

Full Member
Joined
Apr 11, 2003
Messages
15,275
We have a talented group of players that are in desperate need of a proper system and coaching. He is an ideal candidate for 6 months until Poch or Ten Hag.
 

massi83

Full Member
Joined
Feb 2, 2009
Messages
2,596
Why? :confused:

Granted its not what everyone wants to hear and I don't agree with him, but I don't think he's wumming, so why would we ban someone for voicing an dissenting opinion?
He is wumming in pretty much every thread. He is tedious and boring.
 

pratyush_utd

Can't tell DeGea and Onana apart.
Joined
Aug 30, 2017
Messages
8,431
His philosophy will take time to materialise considering where we are right now. So what is the minimum expectation people have from him this season?
 

stefan92

Full Member
Joined
Feb 9, 2021
Messages
6,505
Supports
Hannover 96
He's a brilliant coach and I to this day can't understand why he's never got a opportunity at a big club. And from following his career over the years I can't think of him failing anywhere.
Gladbach aren't that small, usually they are lingering around top 4 in Germany and therefore sometimes playing in the CL. And they payed a fee of 7.5m€ to get him from Frankfurt, one of the highest fees ever paid in world football for a manager I think? At least in Germany only Nagelsmann was more expensive and I can remember Villas-Boas, but apart from that I don't know.
 

MUFC OK

New Member
Joined
Oct 14, 2014
Messages
7,216
As I discussed with Adnan initially - there are aspects of Ralf's approach that obviously would benefit ETH, like the high intensity pressing/counter pressing etc. but he did make the point that the approach is a little more 'rock n' roll' rather than calculated build up.

I'm not sure though - I guess it really depends on how much influence he will really be able to have in the short to medium term.
Yeah. I’d like to think that influence was a crucial aspect in him accepting the job but I’ve heard elsewhere that he’s been keen to land a top job before retirement.

We’ll almost certainly be In Better hands if we give him the licence to call shots.
 

JPRouve

can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate
Scout
Joined
Jan 31, 2014
Messages
65,950
Location
France
@Adnan made a good point earlier that I never really considered. I do think hiring Ralf as the interim suggests Poch will be who we pursue in the summer, doesn't look like it will be Ten Hag.
The problem being that Poch allegedly wants power and no DOF influence. If rumours are true, he is allegedly disappointed by the lack of power he has at PSG and he ended up pushing Paul Mitchell out at Tottenham. It would be very strange for Rangnick and Murtough to pick Pochettino and it would be even stranger for Pochettino to take the job. Before that move I thought that Pochettino was the club's choice but now I wonder if papers aren't wrong about that.
 

Trophy Room

Full Member
Joined
Sep 16, 2014
Messages
3,880
Location
Manchester
This is all pretty laughable. What's so ambitious about hiring a 60+ year old guy who has never worked at a top club? Who has never won a title but a single German Cup with Schalke? How come that's the extent of his career if he's such a messiah of football wisdom? Is Man United's aspiration to run like the well-oiled, unstoppable winning machines that are RasenBallsport Leipzig or TSG Hoffenheim?
I really wish we got you in instead.
 

Mr Pigeon

Illiterate Flying Rat
Scout
Joined
Mar 27, 2014
Messages
26,348
Location
bin
This way he will also fulfill the part of knowing what we have in terms of players and staff by the time we hit the summer transfer window, rather than starting all over again in the summer and wasting a window for the coach to get to know the players. Way more continuity with this approach we took.
That's the main reason why I like this appointment. We're hiring a footballing mastermind who officially starts in six months with his proper job as an advisor, whilst also fixing our interim manager issue in the meantime. It's pretty smart from the board and seems like they're actually going to do something about the backroom issues that have plagued us alongside the on-field ones. The fact that our DoF is a big fan of Rangnick doesn't hurt either.
 

90 + 5min

Full Member
Joined
Aug 8, 2019
Messages
5,280
Well, at least we didn't wait to long. Lets see how this goes. We need to get confidence and we need players to start caring about football. Lets hope he will get more discipline in the team in that way. I'm not putting any pressure on him and he should be given time. Maybe more then 6 months, depending on how it goes. It is players who need to perform.
 

Trophy Room

Full Member
Joined
Sep 16, 2014
Messages
3,880
Location
Manchester
@Adnan made a good point earlier that I never really considered. I do think hiring Ralf as the interim suggests Poch will be who we pursue in the summer, doesn't look like it will be Ten Hag.
Poch is simply not a winner. He won’t be successful at elite clubs.
 

DarkXaero

Full Member
Joined
Jun 17, 2009
Messages
2,286
Location
NJ, USA
I wonder if Rangnick will have significant influence in deciding our permanent manager in the summer. I could see him leaning towards Ten Hag over Poch.
 

glazed

Eats diamonds to beat thermodynamics
Joined
Sep 30, 2012
Messages
7,707
The problem being that Poch allegedly wants power and no DOF influence. If rumours are true, he is allegedly disappointed by the lack of power he has at PSG and he ended up pushing Paul Mitchell out at Tottenham. It would be very strange for Rangnick and Murtough to pick Pochettino and it would be even stranger for Pochettino to take the job. Before that move I thought that Pochettino was the club's choice but now I wonder if papers aren't wrong about that.
But both RR and Poch are on the same high press page so it's not the same as PSG where Leonardo is actually stopping him coaching the way he wants to.

Either Poch or ETH are now options. So either way it's exciting. And most of the other including Bodger and Zidane can be safely ignored.
 

ShinjiNinja26

Full Member
Joined
Feb 9, 2013
Messages
11,196
Location
Location, Location
Another benefit of having Rangnick is maybe we’ll look at signing some of that young German talent out there. I still can’t believe BFS is the only German to ever play for Utd.
 

el3mel

Full Member
Joined
Oct 23, 2016
Messages
43,735
Location
Egypt
This is all pretty laughable. What's so ambitious about hiring a 60+ year old guy who has never worked at a top club? Who has never won a title but a single German Cup with Schalke? How come that's the extent of his career if he's such a messiah of football wisdom? Is Man United's aspiration to run like the well-oiled, unstoppable winning machines that are RasenBallsport Leipzig or TSG Hoffenheim?
Hell. Calm down, he's just an interim. We're not signing him permanently.
 

Newstyle

New Member
Newbie
Joined
Dec 24, 2016
Messages
116
Depending on the influence he will get after the interim tenure I do not see we go for either Poch or ten Hag due to the simple fact that they do not have the same philosophy as Rangnick.
 

TwoSheds

More sheds (and tiles) than you, probably
Joined
Feb 12, 2014
Messages
12,997
The most exciting thing about this, is it shows a geniune long term approach that we've been lacking for so long.

As a Manager it's a good hire I think, but Rangnick's impact will be setting the standard for the club moving forward, moving us away from the boys club. Which we've been desperate for for years. Whilst he won't tolerate the lack of effort we show weekly.

Be really interesting to see the Manager he recommends. Not sure Poch is as nailed on now.
Sorry what? Hiring a 63 year old on a 6 month contract shows a long term approach? I'd like to believe it but I'm not holding my breath.
 

Hansi Fick

New Member
Joined
Oct 16, 2020
Messages
5,057
Supports
FC Bayern
I think it's pretty clear that you're wumming here, but hey, that's just my opinion.
I expressed the same negative opinion about Rangnick before he became your interim manager too. So why would I be wumming and for what? I'm consistent.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.