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The more I think about it, the more I’m excited about the appointment of RR to the job. No guarantees, but I see us turning a corner and scaring top clubs.
You can shove your facts.Never signed Neuer, never even gave him a single appearance.
Never signed Haaland, didn’t even manage him.
Alaba was only a loan.
Smith Rowe was only a loan and he played him for under 40 minutes the entire time, it was a terrible signing.
You know you’re stretching when you have to claim those.
According to The Mirror…Can he bring us Haaland?
McDonnell is as useless as Custis. If he turns out to be right, it was a lucky guess.Waiting to hear from Ducker, Stone, Luckhurst or Mitten on whether his first game is likely to be Arsenal or if McDonnell is right and will be Palace
We will probably have a better idea on that at the start of the week, my gut feeling is it could well end up being Palace with a work permit to sortMcDonnell is as useless as Custis. If he turns out to be right, it was a lucky guess.
That's a good summary.I am no expert. I read the whole thread and here is some info.
Apologies for mistakes. I'm sure there are. As I said a lot of this is stuff I've learnt from this thread.
- Managed Ulm and took them from 2nd division to 5th place in Bundesliga
- Runners up with Schalke after that.
- Took Hoffenheim from 3rd division to 7th in Bundesliga in consecutive seasons
- Took over Red Bull footballing structure, revamped and has established RB Salzburg and Leipzig as elite clubs
- This one was interesting for me, one of the seasons at RB Leipzig, he took over from Hassenhuttl after he left and improved their defense next season with GA going from 50s to 20s.
- A lot of coaches got their breaks or were influenced by him, including Tuchel, Nagelsman, Rose, Adi Hutter, Jessie Marsch and am sure am missing others.
Yeah pretty sure they have and just a matter of club announcing officially. I reckon that should happen early next weekHave Lokomotiv approved it yet
Hopefully otherwise it would be hilarious to see this fall apartYeah pretty sure they have and just a matter of club announcing officially. I reckon that should happen early next week
Speak for yourself on thatHopefully otherwise it would be hilarious to see this fall apart
What do you mean if this guy survives 6 months?Got myself familiar with this guy in the past few days by listening to bunch of pundits talking about this man. My prediction is that he will fail in the similar fashion as Moyes. He will try to implement his plan, players are going to resent him and all will go to sh1t. Some fans will defend him and explain he will need more time, others will crucify him and mention how he never had any success at big clubs.
I am not questioning that this guy is smart, organized and obviously very well respected by both Klopp, Tuchel and other football people. I think Manchester United as an organization is not ready for this guy. I think too many of our players do not fit this guy's vision of how football should look like according to him. He likes young, fast players. We got few. Will they fall in line or cry their way out of the club? I am a pessimist about this guy as an interim coach, but I am somewhat optimistic about the next coach IF this guy survives 6 months. All it takes for things to get ugly is to get knocked out of UCL by a lesser team and 3-4 bad results in EPL in a row. We have shown that we are capable of that under every single coach before RR and after sir Alex.
I hope I am wrong.
You raise legitimate concerns. I really think if this fails, it will be on the playersGot myself familiar with this guy in the past few days by listening to bunch of pundits talking about this man. My prediction is that he will fail in the similar fashion as Moyes. He will try to implement his plan, players are going to resent him and all will go to sh1t. Some fans will defend him and explain he will need more time, others will crucify him and mention how he never had any success at big clubs.
I am not questioning that this guy is smart, organized and obviously very well respected by both Klopp, Tuchel and other football people. I think Manchester United as an organization is not ready for this guy. I think too many of our players do not fit this guy's vision of how football should look like according to him. He likes young, fast players. We got few. Will they fall in line or cry their way out of the club? I am a pessimist about this guy as an interim coach, but I am somewhat optimistic about the next coach IF this guy survives 6 months. All it takes for things to get ugly is to get knocked out of UCL by a lesser team and 3-4 bad results in EPL in a row. We have shown that we are capable of that under every single coach before RR and after sir Alex.
I hope I am wrong.
100% agree. That's what I am afraid of. We have some lazy player with great pr/influence, and fan will side with these player all the time over the manager.Got myself familiar with this guy in the past few days by listening to bunch of pundits talking about this man. My prediction is that he will fail in the similar fashion as Moyes. He will try to implement his plan, players are going to resent him and all will go to sh1t. Some fans will defend him and explain he will need more time, others will crucify him and mention how he never had any success at big clubs.
I am not questioning that this guy is smart, organized and obviously very well respected by both Klopp, Tuchel and other football people. I think Manchester United as an organization is not ready for this guy. I think too many of our players do not fit this guy's vision of how football should look like according to him. He likes young, fast players. We got few. Will they fall in line or cry their way out of the club? I am a pessimist about this guy as an interim coach, but I am somewhat optimistic about the next coach IF this guy survives 6 months. All it takes for things to get ugly is to get knocked out of UCL by a lesser team and 3-4 bad results in EPL in a row. We have shown that we are capable of that under every single coach before RR and after sir Alex.
I hope I am wrong.
You are obviously wrong because there are zero similarities of our current situation to the Moyes era. Also, you are twice wrong if you believe that Moyes failed because "he tried to implement his plan" but ... players resented him. That's not what happened.Got myself familiar with this guy in the past few days by listening to bunch of pundits talking about this man. My prediction is that he will fail in the similar fashion as Moyes. He will try to implement his plan, players are going to resent him and all will go to sh1t. Some fans will defend him and explain he will need more time, others will crucify him and mention how he never had any success at big clubs.
I am not questioning that this guy is smart, organized and obviously very well respected by both Klopp, Tuchel and other football people. I think Manchester United as an organization is not ready for this guy. I think too many of our players do not fit this guy's vision of how football should look like according to him. He likes young, fast players. We got few. Will they fall in line or cry their way out of the club? I am a pessimist about this guy as an interim coach, but I am somewhat optimistic about the next coach IF this guy survives 6 months. All it takes for things to get ugly is to get knocked out of UCL by a lesser team and 3-4 bad results in EPL in a row. We have shown that we are capable of that under every single coach before RR and after sir Alex.
I hope I am wrong.
I think the fans are all behind the new manager and see him as someone who is going to take us back to our glory day. The PR students aren’t gonna work this time around.and fan will side with these player all the time over the manager.
Who moved the goal posts? Certainly not me as it’s my only post on the subject and it was a valid one, which you have sidestepped answering by mentioning something another poster said!Is he any good!?! big clubs aren’t after him!
*shows big clubs are after him*
Yeah but many top clubs have been after Mourinho, Sven Goran Erikson though? In and of itself it’s not a guarantee of success. *moves goal posts*
No. We’ll announce it tomorrow to change the narrative and forget all about the 8-0 maulingYou're going to announce this before the game today, to give the players a lift aren't you, you cheeky bastards.
He didn't move goal posts, you just didn't read the conversation. If you read it, you will see why he posted the video.Who moved the goal posts? Certainly not me as it’s my only post on the subject and it was a valid one, which you have sidestepped answering by mentioning something another poster said!
If we are playing well by half-time, Rangnick will appear on the stands, at the same time when we dish out the official announcement on social media.You're going to announce this before the game today, to give the players a lift aren't you, you cheeky bastards.
I didn’t suggest anyone moved the goal posts, maybe it’s you who should re-read the conversation!He didn't move goal posts, you just didn't read the conversation. If you read it, you will see why he posted the video.
fecking hell, at least read the post he quoted instead of coming up with usual "what about Jose, everyone wanted him".I didn’t suggest anyone moved the goal posts, maybe it’s you who should re-read the conversation!
This is a 60 page discussion, it’s easy to look back and find where discussions went off at tangents. It’s normal, happens all the time, and simply pointing it out instead of addressing the point looks like avoidance to me.
An interesting comment: if Liverpool Chelsea are going this way and we are following, are we following to the toilet?media
I read the post he quoted, thanks. And I responded to his post. That’s how these long threads work. If someone had posted a thread purely about people wrongly thinking Rangnick has never been coveted by top clubs then you’d have a valid point. But they didn’t, and so you don’t.fecking hell, at least read the post he quoted instead of coming up with usual "what about Jose, everyone wanted him".
@UnitedSofa even gave the context.
I don’t know about you, but I’m happy to see the back of a lot of those players.Got myself familiar with this guy in the past few days by listening to bunch of pundits talking about this man. My prediction is that he will fail in the similar fashion as Moyes. He will try to implement his plan, players are going to resent him and all will go to sh1t. Some fans will defend him and explain he will need more time, others will crucify him and mention how he never had any success at big clubs.
I am not questioning that this guy is smart, organized and obviously very well respected by both Klopp, Tuchel and other football people. I think Manchester United as an organization is not ready for this guy. I think too many of our players do not fit this guy's vision of how football should look like according to him. He likes young, fast players. We got few. Will they fall in line or cry their way out of the club? I am a pessimist about this guy as an interim coach, but I am somewhat optimistic about the next coach IF this guy survives 6 months. All it takes for things to get ugly is to get knocked out of UCL by a lesser team and 3-4 bad results in EPL in a row. We have shown that we are capable of that under every single coach before RR and after sir Alex.
I hope I am wrong.
I can only see Pogba and Martial not fitting into this gegenpress so I don’t know what you’re talking about . We will manage fine without bothGot myself familiar with this guy in the past few days by listening to bunch of pundits talking about this man. My prediction is that he will fail in the similar fashion as Moyes. He will try to implement his plan, players are going to resent him and all will go to sh1t. Some fans will defend him and explain he will need more time, others will crucify him and mention how he never had any success at big clubs.
I am not questioning that this guy is smart, organized and obviously very well respected by both Klopp, Tuchel and other football people. I think Manchester United as an organization is not ready for this guy. I think too many of our players do not fit this guy's vision of how football should look like according to him. He likes young, fast players. We got few. Will they fall in line or cry their way out of the club? I am a pessimist about this guy as an interim coach, but I am somewhat optimistic about the next coach IF this guy survives 6 months. All it takes for things to get ugly is to get knocked out of UCL by a lesser team and 3-4 bad results in EPL in a row. We have shown that we are capable of that under every single coach before RR and after sir Alex.
I hope I am wrong.
Got myself familiar with this guy in the past few days by listening to bunch of pundits talking about this man. My prediction is that he will fail in the similar fashion as Moyes. He will try to implement his plan, players are going to resent him and all will go to sh1t. Some fans will defend him and explain he will need more time, others will crucify him and mention how he never had any success at big clubs.
I am not questioning that this guy is smart, organized and obviously very well respected by both Klopp, Tuchel and other football people. I think Manchester United as an organization is not ready for this guy. I think too many of our players do not fit this guy's vision of how football should look like according to him. He likes young, fast players. We got few. Will they fall in line or cry their way out of the club? I am a pessimist about this guy as an interim coach, but I am somewhat optimistic about the next coach IF this guy survives 6 months. All it takes for things to get ugly is to get knocked out of UCL by a lesser team and 3-4 bad results in EPL in a row. We have shown that we are capable of that under every single coach before RR and after sir Alex.
I hope I am wrong.
He's definitely managed Neuer; he might not have signed him, but he was Shalke's manager when we played them in the CL in 2011, in which Neuer played and was linked with a move here almost immediately after.Never signed Neuer, never even gave him a single appearance.
Never signed Haaland, didn’t even manage him.
Alaba was only a loan.
Smith Rowe was only a loan and he played him for under 40 minutes the entire time, it was a terrible signing.
You know you’re stretching when you have to claim those.
I Posted a video from the Athletic proving that many clubs were after him in the past....2:45 seconds onwards David Ornstein (captioning as best I can):Is he though? His credentials (or lack of) don't exactly inspire much in the way of confidence. It's not like the top clubs in Europe are lining up to bring him in.
I know very little about the guy admittedly, maybe he's the second coming or something like many in this thread believe. Who knows.
I'd be a lot happier with Ten Hag or even Poch in the summer.
"He was previously heavily linked with Chelsea, heavily sounded out by Chelsea on taking the job on an interim basis when Frank Lampard was sacked, but I don't think there were any assurances about staying on beyond that period in charge. Whereas Manchester United have clearly offered an enticing prospect for him"Chelsea. Arsenal. Spurs all have been after him in the past
Henceforth you moving the goal posts....as you implied that 'it's not the same'.....so this I would assume that either you believed that the clubs weren't after him as a manager and rather as a board level position....or that just because they were after him, doesn't mean that he would be a success, which of course is true. But doesn't negate the fact that they were indeed after him.All been after him in the same way that many top clubs have been after Mourinho, Sven Goran Erikson though? In and of itself it’s not a guarantee of success.
Is he any good!?! big clubs aren’t after him!
*shows big clubs are after him*
Yeah but many top clubs have been after Mourinho, Sven Goran Erikson though? In and of itself it’s not a guarantee of success. *moves goal posts*
Who moved the goal posts? Certainly not me as it’s my only post on the subject and it was a valid one, which you have sidestepped answering by mentioning something another poster said!
So you did move the goal posts, I proved clubs were after him and after proving clubs were after him, you said yeah but that doesn't mean that he won't be successful. Again, this much is true, but we go from admittedly another poster parring him off as being a 'nobody' (because no top club has signed him) then proving that top clubs were after him, the goal posts were moved, because you changed the original point.I didn’t suggest anyone moved the goal posts, maybe it’s you who should re-read the conversation!
This is a 60 page discussion, it’s easy to look back and find where discussions went off at tangents. It’s normal, happens all the time, and simply pointing it out instead of addressing the point looks like avoidance to me.
fecking hell, at least read the post he quoted instead of coming up with usual "what about Jose, everyone wanted him".
@UnitedSofa even gave the context.
May not have been a thread but it was a post, again see below Random Task's post about not being coveted by a top club below:I read the post he quoted, thanks. And I responded to his post. That’s how these long threads work. If someone had posted a thread purely about people wrongly thinking Rangnick has never been coveted by top clubs then you’d have a valid point. But they didn’t, and so you don’t.
So did you go back and read the original post I was quoting?Is he though? His credentials (or lack of) don't exactly inspire much in the way of confidence. It's not like the top clubs in Europe are lining up to bring him in.
Dragging it out as usual. Why can't united move quickly about things like other clubs.Why no announcement yet?
Brexit.Dragging it out as usual. Why can't united move quickly about things like other clubs.