Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

We play average under him. Not bad not great. I'm not bothered since we can still make top 4

 

[Berbasbullet]

Surprise, surprise, it's the same guys that were patting United on the back for giving Ole a brand new contract for losing the EL final blindly backing the manager again. A result against City or Liverpool means feck all if the end result is more of the shite we've seen over the last 8 years.

You have to be really dense to think I want United to lose for no reason, rather I know in the eyes of the board, a win against both will be enough justification to give us another year of an average manager who will take us nowhere instead of getting someone like Ten Haag in straight away who has achieved more already than Rangnick has in his early career.

But I guess you can ignore all that as the **** of the manager is strong on here where rebuilds take 3+ years and there are always no better managers than the one we coincidentally have in charge.

so you’ll support united when they appoint ten Haag then? You’re such a big fan you are, yes you’re certainly so much better than the ‘**** of the manager’ that you won’t support united until they appoint the manager you want.

Funnily enough most of us will support the team regardless if it’s Ole, Ralf, or Fred the Red in charge, but we’re clearly not as smart as you and should take absolutely zero joy in our results until we appoint Ten Haag (who half the cafe wouldn’t have heard of 12 months ago).

What a boring way to live your life, refusing to support your team just in case the interim manager you suspect isn’t good enough gets the job.

 

[PoTMS]

so you’ll support united when they appoint ten Haag then? You’re such a big fan you are, yes you’re certainly so much better than the ‘**** of the manager’ that you won’t support united until they appoint the manager you want.

Funnily enough most of us will support the team regardless if it’s Ole, Ralf, or Fred the Red in charge, but we’re clearly not as smart as you and should take absolutely zero joy in our results until we appoint Ten Haag (who half the cafe wouldn’t have heard of 12 months ago).

Well done, that's quite the take. I have no interest in continuing this conversation if that's what you've taken from my post. It's the same disingenuous bollocks that was spouted around under Ole.

 

[stefan92]

Leicester won the league hitting teams on the counter.

It took most people a long time to realize they are a top team and they exploited that brilliantly. This luxury doesn't apply to United who are still seen as a top team just because they are United.

 

[hobbers]

It’ll be when we get the hipster manager of choice in, until of course they get bored of that one and they need a new toy.

It would be pretty boring if we got in a hipster manager like Klopp or Tuchel and they won us the league and/or champions league aye.

Nah let's stick with what we know and appoint interims to be permanent managers on the back of mediocre jobs, because we're terrified of even trying to succeed.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

Just flicking through this thread to catch up, can’t help but think this aged badly and he’s put it to bed I. The last couple of games.

Has it? He got it right against Leeds, but we always get it right vs. Leeds... He's still had more games with poor/non-existent changes then good ones.

Also he started Lingard for some bizarre reason, and changing him was an absolute no brainer.

 

[Berbasbullet]

It would be pretty boring if we got in a hipster manager like Klopp or Tuchel and they won us the league and/or champions league aye.

Nah let's stick with what we know and appoint interims who do mediocre jobs because we're terrified of even trying to succeed.

I’d love it if we did that!

In the meanwhile I will continue to get behind whoever manages the team, my support isn’t conditional on future hypotheticals.

 

[hobbers]

I’d love it if we did that!

In the meanwhile I will continue to get behind whoever manages the team, my support isn’t conditional on future hypotheticals.

Yeh I agree.

I just think this thread needs the occasional reminder that we should be going for the best manager available all the time, like all the currently successful clubs do. Not just appointing managers because they did ok jobs as interims and we're scared to twist.

 

[PoTMS]

Yeh I agree.

I just think this thread needs the occasional reminder that we should be going for the best manager available all the time, like all the currently successful clubs do. Not just appointing managers because they did ok jobs as interims and we're scared to twist.

Don't get me wrong, when the time comes I will absolutely want to beat City and Liverpool. But I just won't be too disappointed if we lose because a) I've got used to being disappointed by United and b) I have zero doubt in my mind that wins against both will convince the incompetent board to secure this average manager another year in the hotseat rather than search for the best man for the job.

 

[Flexdegea]

Surprise, surprise, it's the same guys that were patting United on the back for giving Ole a brand new contract for losing the EL final blindly backing the manager again. A result against City or Liverpool means feck all if the end result is more of the shite we've seen over the last 8 years. We should be shoo-ins for top 4 but we've managed to make it a real battle. Anyone that is convinced by Rangnick so far, I've got a bridge to sell to you.

You have to be really dense to think I want United to lose for no reason. Rather, I know in the eyes of the board, a win against both will be enough justification to give us another year of an average manager who will take us nowhere instead of getting someone like Ten Haag in straight away who has achieved more already than Rangnick has in his early career. If it means keeping Rangnick and beating Pool or getting a proper manager in and losing to them, then I'll take the latter all day. Just like Paris. We won feck all and had Ole in for 3 years. Why is it so hard for people to understand this concept time and time again?

But I guess you can ignore all that as the **** of the manager is strong on here where rebuilds take 3+ years and there are always no better managers than the one we coincidentally have in charge. Never mind me, though, I'm not a proper United fan.

100% you are not a proper fan.


It's Nothing to do with Ole, Ralf, Fergie, or whoever managing......because you want the team to lose, just so you might be happy another outcome could arise, but it's daft thinking...........

Its game to game support and with you as a fan, you fail massively in that regard.

 

[Plant0x84]

Has it? He got it right against Leeds, but we always get it right vs. Leeds... He's still had more games with poor/non-existent changes then good ones.

Also he started Lingard for some bizarre reason, and changing him was an absolute no brainer.

5 substitutions he has made recently have come on and scored. He has effected a change in the game from the bench. We’ve also seen changes of formation and system in game to control results. He’s still only lost one game.
As for Jesse - I have no problem with Ralf resting players at the weekend with tonight’s game in mind. Jesse was pants but that doesn’t mean choosing Elanga to come on instead of Rashford or Mata for example was any less obvious a change. I certainly wouldn’t have put Fred on for Pogs but it worked a treat!

 

[Tom Cato]

Just flicking through this thread to catch up, can’t help but think this aged badly and he’s put it to bed in the last couple of games.

This isnt a comment on Rangnick, but the teams we have played the last two games are teams we should beat by default. More interesting games to showcase the teams strengt is coming up

 

[Zen86]

Surprise, surprise, it's the same guys that were patting United on the back for giving Ole a brand new contract for losing the EL final blindly backing the manager again. A result against City or Liverpool means feck all if the end result is more of the shite we've seen over the last 8 years. We should be shoo-ins for top 4 but we've managed to make it a real battle. Anyone that is convinced by Rangnick so far, I've got a bridge to sell to you.

You have to be really dense to think I want United to lose for no reason. Rather, I know in the eyes of the board, a win against both will be enough justification to give us another year of an average manager who will take us nowhere instead of getting someone like Ten Haag in straight away who has achieved more already than Rangnick has in his early career. If it means keeping Rangnick and beating Pool or getting a proper manager in and losing to them, then I'll take the latter all day. Just like Paris. We won feck all and had Ole in for 3 years. Why is it so hard for people to understand this concept time and time again?

But I guess you can ignore all that as the **** of the manager is strong on here where rebuilds take 3+ years and there are always no better managers than the one we coincidentally have in charge. Never mind me, though, I'm not a proper United fan.

I’m not particularly sold on the manager. I just don’t want us to lose? It shouldn’t be that difficult to understand.

 

[DSG]

THere is nothing wrong with counter attacking, its when that is all you have it becomes a problem. Ole could lift the team to beat a big team by playing on the break, but we had absolutely nothing when confronted with the low block for mid table teams. The reality is that the big 5 or 6 teams will typically dominate possession, so the question become what you can do with it when you have it. THe complete absence of coaching and game management was clear during the Ole period, while LVG took the opposite extreme. I like Ralf but am not trying too hard to defend him, though your comment about copying earlier manager is a general one for life. There are few truly 'new' ideas in the world, but taking existing ones and making them better is a skill.

While I completely agree that Ole needed to go and that he isn’t a tactical genius, I think the criticism in the Caf was way overboard at times.

We didn’t perform well against a low block during his tenure, but we aren’t performing particularly well against low blocks right now. Most of our goals are coming through counter attacks. The emergence of Sancho has more to do with our better box play than anything else. Anyone who watched him at Dortmund will tell you that his play against low blocks while there was impressive, and that was the reason we bought him.

 

[L1nk]

Changed the shape in order to not drop Maguire but wants to keep Lindelof and Varane, and we look worse for it. Not a big fan of this

 

[Livewire1974]

A shite pub team manager.

 

[Based Adnan]

Not sure why he keeps bottling dropping Maguire

 

[sullydnl]

The key thing Dalot has brought to the side in recent times that AWB couldn't is the ability to actually progress the ball forward down that side of the pitch, one of the key thing you're looking for from your fullback.

LIndelof has been good defensively but playing him at RB stifles progression down that side. Every time the ball goes to that part of the pitch (which has been quite often) we've looked extremely static. Which isn't Lindelof's fault really, he just looks what he is; a CB stuck at RB.

I know we're not exactly blessed at RB but this can't be the best way to set up.

 

[Giant Midget]

Got the RB call completely wrong tonight.

 

[MemeFather]

Sticking with Rooney costs LVG his job.
Magguire will be Rangnicks if he carries on

 

[Vidyoyo]

Waddafeck is he doing playing Lindelof there?

 

[::sonny::]

Unacceptable line up, he has to change job

 

[L1nk]

Not sure why he keeps bottling dropping Maguire

Because he's the Captain or is being told to play him, not hard to fathom, there's no way any manager who is 100% making the team decisions would play Maguire over Lindelof and Varane based purely on form. That's why he's put Lindelof at RB

 

[rooney2009]

We should have just gone 3-5-2
It’s not rocket science really

 

[charlenefan]

Fraud

 

[kidbob]

I hope he's better upstairs because he has been an absolute failure of a signing. Things have gotten worse under him. Hell even those praising the Leeds performance which was a drag compared to how we dismantled them time and again under Ole. The only hope I have is that by the summer he'll know exactly what we need to do to progress but unfortunately he won't be allowed to do it by the higher ups.

 

[2 man midfield]

Has to earn his money now

 

[::sonny::]

Evra on sky sport italy

“they don’t even know why they wear that shirt”

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

I hope he's better upstairs because he has been an absolute failure of a signing. Things have gotten worse under him. Hell even those praising the Leeds performance which was a drag compared to how we dismantled them time and again under Ole. The only hope I have is that by the summer he'll know exactly what we need to do to progress but unfortunately he won't be allowed to do it by the higher ups.

Things factually and objectively did not get worse under him.

We were an utter disgrace towards the end under Ole.

That said, Ralf hasn't been anything special and he blew it by starting Lindelof at RB tonight.

 

[Samid]

Piss easy run of fixtures for 2.5 months have been papering over the cracks. Alarm bells have been ringing in that period with points dropped to one relegation fodder after another and getting eliminated in the cup by a lower league team but people have been turning a blind eye to that because hey, we've been winning the xG! Next month or so we're going to get badly exposed when we're finally coming up against some decent teams.

I don't like blaming managers because ultimately the mess we've been in for the past decade has been created by the people above them. But the praise Ralf has been getting has been way over the top. Guy is a spoofer who has people fooled just because he uses buzzwords in interviews. Can't ever remember seeing this much hype around such an average manager.

 

[PoTMS]

Piss easy run of fixtures for 2.5 months have been papering over the cracks. Alarm bells have been ringing in that period with points dropped to one relegation fodder after another and getting eliminated in the cup by a lower league team but people have been turning a blind eye to that because hey, we've been winning the xG! Next month or so we're going to get badly exposed when we're finally coming up against some decent teams.

I don't like blaming managers because ultimately the mess we've been in for the past decade has been created by the people above them. But the praise Ralf has been getting has been way over the top. Guy is a spoofer who has people fooled just because he uses buzzwords in interviews. Can't ever remember seeing this much hype around such an average manager.

And you have some on here who have the galls to even throw his name in the ring for the permanent job.

 

[charlenefan]

Piss easy run of fixtures for 2.5 months have been papering over the cracks. Alarm bells have been ringing in that period with points dropped to one relegation fodder after another and getting eliminated in the cup by a lower league team but people have been turning a blind eye to that because hey, we've been winning the xG! Next month or so we're going to get badly exposed when we're finally coming up against some decent teams.

I don't like blaming managers because ultimately the mess we've been in for the past decade has been created by the people above them. But the praise Ralf has been getting has been way over the top. Guy is a spoofer who has people fooled just because he uses buzzwords in interviews. Can't ever remember seeing this much hype around such an average manager.

People are just doubling down because we hired their hipster choice and he's doing no better than a PE te4cher

 

[horsechoker]

Piss easy run of fixtures for 2.5 months have been papering over the cracks. Alarm bells have been ringing in that period with points dropped to one relegation fodder after another and getting eliminated in the cup by a lower league team but people have been turning a blind eye to that because hey, we've been winning the xG! Next month or so we're going to get badly exposed when we're finally coming up against some decent teams.

I don't like blaming managers because ultimately the mess we've been in for the past decade has been created by the people above them. But the praise Ralf has been getting has been way over the top. Guy is a spoofer who has people fooled just because he uses buzzwords in interviews. Can't ever remember seeing this much hype around such an average manager.

He's an interim though, I'm sorry if you were expecting Klopp or Pep to show up. He's a behind the scenes man with some good footballing ideas but he's not an elite tier manager.

His job is to get United top 4 with a dysfunctional and undisciplined team of players.

 

[SirSean]

I hope he's better upstairs because he has been an absolute failure of a signing. Things have gotten worse under him. Hell even those praising the Leeds performance which was a drag compared to how we dismantled them time and again under Ole. The only hope I have is that by the summer he'll know exactly what we need to do to progress but unfortunately he won't be allowed to do it by the higher ups.

Do you honestly believe this is worse, than the team loosing 4(!!!)-1 to fecking Watford? That has to be a joke. We're better than before, but that isn't saying much considering the free falling we were doing under Solskjaer in the end.

 

[SirSean]

He's an interim though, I'm sorry if you were expecting Klopp or Pep to show up. He's a behind the scenes man with some good footballing ideas but he's not an elite tier manager.

His job is to get United top 4 with a dysfunctional and undisciplined team of players.

This! Completly agree.

 

[kidbob]

Things factually and objectively did not get worse under him.

We were an utter disgrace towards the end under Ole.

That said, Ralf hasn't been anything special and he blew it by starting Lindelof at RB tonight.

Towards the end being the operative term. Ole was apparently always holding us back but yet Ralf hasn't even once had the team anywhere near the level we seen under Ole. He's better than the worst we seen but only slightly so. Which surely indicates that either he is shite too or the players are the problem. I hope it ain't the players because we simply don't have the money to change that any time soon.

 

[Abhinav]

What’s the point of blaming him? He didn’t put us in this position. Years of bad recruitment and bad coaching has got us here. He is not a long term manager material, but isn’t it exactly why he was available to be appointed as an interim.

 

[kidbob]

What’s the point of blaming him? He didn’t put us in this position. Years of bad recruitment and bad coaching has got us here. He is not a long term manager material, but isn’t it exactly why he was available to be appointed as an interim.

Where's the signs of his coaching? Pep, Tuchel and Klopp didn't need more a couple if months to at least show a difference. What have you seen thats new under Ralf?

 

[GMoore23]

He's just another yes man and that's why he got the job.

 

[horsechoker]

Where's the signs of his coaching? Pep, Tuchel and Klopp didn't need more a couple if months to at least show a difference. What have you seen thats new under Ralf?

Pep nearly had City finishing outside the top 4. Klopp was celebrating draws against West Brom and Tuchel didn't come firing out the blocks either.

I find comparing Rangnick an interim who will in theory pass the baton to another to manager to these permanent appointments