Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

[DickDastardly]

I mean, it's a huge and obvious difference. It becomes extremely tedious discussing this if you can't tell the difference between US and NATO.



So most of them outside of NATO countries and have nothing to do with NATO. The objective of US power projection is protecting and promoting US interests pretty much everywhere. It's European safety. This US base build up is not solely targeted at Russia. Or China, or N.Korea. It's all of that and more. But it still has feck all to do with NATO.

Flipping your argument around. If Russia is already surrounded, the feck is the issue with Ukraine then? It doesn't alter the situation, still "surrouned". And why shouldn't Ukraine be armed if they want to be a sovereign nation?

Make it make sense, Dick.

You want to know the difference?

NATO is NOThing without the US. That's the only difference.

Sums it up perfectly. Protecting US interests.

So why the feck are we all up in arms when another country (aka Russia) does the same?

Sure - let's flip that around again - why shouldn't Cuba have long range missiles if they want to be a sovereign nation?

 

[BlackShark_80]

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[Gehrman]

Its what always happens. The world abandons the countries under attack out of fear of the aggressor doing something more. Happened in the early 90s with the break up of Yugoslavia. Happening now. Shameful.

Mostly countries act in their own interests really. Also when they are fighting invaders like in Kuwait. Also unlike in WW1, western nations don't consider their own soldiers cannonfodder anymore. They don't tolerate many casualties of their own.

 

[balaks]

The world cannot just sit back and watch this happen. People need to move away from ' ah its not near us, it's not our concern' this is very real

They will attack them indirectly but there is no way NATO or anybody can get boots on the ground in Ukraine because that most likely would start WW3

 

[Gehrman]

They will attack them indirectly but there is no way NATO or anybody can get boots on the ground in Ukraine because that most likely would start WW3

Some people find this hard to grasp.

 

[harms]

One of the biggest media companies in Russia, Rambler (that has different media under its umbrella like lenta.ru, gazeta.ru & rambler.ru) had demanded from its workers to either delete their social media or to stop posting their own opinion on it, otherwise they will be fired.

I also know second hand (although it's literally second hand, Putin's administration -> museum director -> me) that all museums & cultural institutions were warned against posting anything (other than strictly pro-Russian) about the war and that any disobedience can lead not only to fines & firing of said employee but also to criminal prosecution.

 

[Simbo]

We're going to realise in the next few days the extent of just how far reaching Russian money/influence/kompromat goes.

 

[Rightnr]

Putin has really gone full Hitler. fecking surreal but not surprising to anyone that's paid attention.

 

[JPRouve]

The world isn't sitting back in regards to Yemen, most of the 'superpowers' are supplying it.

That's true. Saudi Arabia don't lack ammunition or funds coming from superpowers.

 

[Raoul]

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[bosnian_red]

They will attack them indirectly but there is no way NATO or anybody can get boots on the ground in Ukraine because that most likely would start WW3

So now it's wait and see, sacrifice Ukraine and hope Putin decides to stop at Ukraine and doesn't want more? Painfully similar to how WW2 happened. Its important to recognize any evil dictator and stop him early.

 

[Denis79]

The world cannot just sit back and watch this happen. People need to move away from ' ah its not near us, it's not our concern' this is very real

As sad as it is we're lucky NATO is as calm and level headed as it is. WW3 and nuclear weapons are looming.

 

[Fearless]

They will attack them indirectly but there is no way NATO or anybody can get boots on the ground in Ukraine because that most likely would start WW3

Putin's got complete impunity knowing that WW3 is the last thing NATO want so Biden's got no cards to play at all.

 

[harms]

Heavy blast.

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Jesus that sounded scary as feck.

 

[adexkola]

Taking a more confrontational stance doesn't mean you are a warmonger.

Edit: Actually, I'll be more forceful on that. I don't think an honest reflection of Applebaum's articles and books over the years have ever been warmongering, unless you consider even a willingness to militarily defend an independent Ukraine to be warmongering.

I've not read her books, only her articles. And I'd disagree with your first sentence; if you advocate overly aggressive actions that will likely spark war then you're a warmonger (to a lesser extent). And she's not talking about Ukraine taking measures to protect itself; this is about the US and NATO not being forceful enough in her opinion.

 

[WeePat]

Ukraine want to join NATO (a mutual defence organization created primarily to counter Russian aggression). So offended is Putin by the idea that any country needs to join an alliance to prevent them from being invaded by Russia that Putin has ordered a full scale invasion of Ukraine to stop them joining NATO.

That'll show the world that Russia isn't an aggressive state and there is no need for NATO to exist/expand.

But do NATO even want to have Ukraine among its members? Isn't one of the stipulations for NATO membership that a country must not have any territorial disputes which, considering Russia annexed Crimea, is up for debate, so are they even eligible? And are the allied nations even wiling to set up a defence for Ukraine? Is it possible that this Russian invasion provoked by an idea (Ukraine joining NATO) that isn't likely to ever happen to begin with?

 

[Gehrman]

So now it's wait and see, sacrifice Ukraine and hope Putin decides to stop at Ukraine and doesn't want more? Painfully similar to how WW2 happened. Its important to recognize any evil dictator and stop him early.

If he attacks a Nato member then it's all out war.

 

[DickDastardly]

But do NATO even want to have Ukraine among its members? Isn't one of the stipulations for NATO membership that a country must not have any territorial disputes which, considering Russia annexed Crimea, is up for debate, so are they even eligible? And are the allied nations even wiling to set up a defence for Ukraine? Is it possible that this Russian invasion provoked by an idea (Ukraine joining NATO) that isn't likely to ever happen to begin with?

Yes. Yes they do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO

 

[Terminator]

I just stumbled across a horrifying video on twitter where a kid on a bicycle is killed by a bomb blast closeby. The world is such a fecked up and cruel place.

 

[tomaldinho1]

Things are moving fast. We're basically witnessing a live invasion and reports have to be verified probably.

Yep - BBC (for example) have to verify everything so their images are hours behind. Open source intelligence accounts on Twitter so far seem very reliable and are just showing everything

 

[balaks]

So now it's wait and see, sacrifice Ukraine and hope Putin decides to stop at Ukraine and doesn't want more? Painfully similar to how WW2 happened. Its important to recognize any evil dictator and stop him early.

Yes basically - Putin can basically do what he wants right now unless he invades a NATO country (which hopefully he wont)

 

[Paxi]

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[Revan]

Or Greece for that matter, but we'll pull @Revan up on his geography another time

Greece is 80% Balkans geographically, the others mostly islands. Slovenia has a part on Balkans.

Bulgaria, yeah, my mistake. Thought that it is roughly half-half.

 

[Paxi]

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[DickDastardly]

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This is JNA tanks in Vukovar all over again. Fecking same images running through my mind.

 

[marktan]

From reddit:
1 - Expel them from SWIFT.
2 - Ban all Russian airlines from European and Asian airspace.
3 - Ban all Russian shipping from docking.
4 - Confiscate any and all Russian property in Europe, especally the Oligarchs.

Can't fight them militarily but have to cripple them so that they don't do it again in a few years. Especially the Oligarchs, they've been living it large by virtue of being close to Putin for 2 decades now.

 

[VorZakone]

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Jesus man. I wonder how much of a fight the Ukrainians will give.

 

[That'sHernandez]

Whatever you say, bud.

Guess I was right

 

[JPRouve]

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de-Nazification.

I really didn't expect that level of lunacy.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

It’s incredibly sad that with the scientific advances made in the last 50 years, this is how the most influential people on Earth choose to behave…

And not just this - Brexit, Trump, the rise of the new right.

It’s all so backward and feels so anachronistic. Feels like Human civilisation as a whole is at a massive crossroads, with some forces striving for a more advanced model of society, and others desperately trying to drag it all back into the trenches of the 1940s…

 

[Paxi]

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[Lecland07]

From reddit:
1 - Expel them from SWIFT.
2 - Ban all Russian airlines from European and Asian airspace.
3 - Ban all Russian shipping from docking.
4 - Confiscate any and all Russian property in Europe, especally the Oligarchs.

Can't fight them militarily but have to cripple them so that they don't do it again in a few years. Especially the Oligarchs, they've been living it large by virtue of being close to Putin for 2 decades now.

And then Russia will respond with sanctions on exportation of energy supplies, which will cripple European nations.

If it gets to that stage, I could see it ending in war.

A very difficult thing to deal with. I think this is a lesson that no country should become over reliant on another.

 

[Simbo]

To nobody in particluar...

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[sullydnl]

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[BlackShark_80]

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[Paxi]

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[DickDastardly]

https://9gag.com/gag/a61qxE2

What do we make of this?

And why the feck is 9gag suddenly relevant?

 

[harms]

de-Nazification.

I really didn't expect that level of lunacy.

It all comes from choosing the WW2 (or The Great Patriotic War) as the nation-creating myth. Accusing any opposing side of being nazis/fascists comes naturally in that case.

 

[Denis79]

de-Nazification.

I really didn't expect that level of lunacy.

Yup he's mad but was it Zelensky or his predecessor who attended a far right concert? I have a vague memory of this.

 

[golden_blunder]

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How can that be true when they are all buying oil and gas off them?