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Are people genuinely expecting this to calm down today? I'm not well versed as I don't have a deep enough understanding of the political background here but what are the chances of some sort agreement that will see an end to this?
Yes, until the next time this issue is buried under the carpet and putin attacks.

A ceasefire today with talks ongoing between Russia and nato to come to a solution is the best outcome.
 

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Are people genuinely expecting this to calm down today? I'm not well versed as I don't have a deep enough understanding of the political background here but what are the chances of some sort agreement that will see an end to this?
Again it all depends on Putin, how shocked he is with the worldwide reaction, how hard financially he has been hit and if he is surprised about the level of resistance he has faced. My guess he will negotiate but at the same time carry on the war. At the end of the day we haven’t seen anywhere near what Russia can do .
 

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Are people genuinely expecting this to calm down today? I'm not well versed as I don't have a deep enough understanding of the political background here but what are the chances of some sort agreement that will see an end to this?
Honest answer, none of us have a clue and none of us are likely any more educated on this than you either! What seems clear is everyone is hoping for a ceasefire.
 

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Are people genuinely expecting this to calm down today? I'm not well versed as I don't have a deep enough understanding of the political background here but what are the chances of some sort agreement that will see an end to this?
Basically zero. Sounds more like Russia's tactics to justify heavier attacks, 'they don't want to negotiate'. They won't suddenly back down from 'fighting the Nazis'.
 

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Didn't expect to now follow this through The Athletic now. Feels as if someone is very much trying to launder his reputation.

 

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I think we should stop discussing whether NATO is a threat to Russia or not when Putin has explicitly explained what this war is about. It’s a topic for another discussion altogether.
It is in regards to the start of the war i agree, it's a bit irrelevant and just causing misunderstandings. However the narrative is formed and used by Putin so countering it rather than denying it is required to show the Russian people that Putin is in the wrong. There's no doubt it will form part of the diplomacy going forward, a reasonable compromise with a new Russian leader such as Ukraine in NATO but no NATO missles or bases in Ukraine would be a win-win.
 

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Again it all depends on Putin, how shocked he is with the worldwide reaction, how hard financially he has been hit and if he is surprised about the level of resistance he has faced. My guess he will negotiate but at the same time carry on the war. At the end of the day we haven’t seen anywhere near what Russia can do .
I actually think we have in terms of their ground forces. Fat soldiers, old equipment, terrible strategies... :houllier:

We haven't seen their WMDs yet, but we already know what they will do anyway.
 

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Can they (literally) afford the damage this is doing to their economy though?
I'm not sure he cares. He's just basically threatened to end the world so economic sanctions may be last of his worry.
 

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Didn't expect to now follow this through The Athletic now. Feels as if someone is very much trying to launder his reputation.

His jet is in Latvia supposedly. To me the fact that he's in a position to broker anything is an effective admission of his close contact with the Kremlin.

Would love it if he got all his assets in the UK confiscated asap...
 

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His jet is in Latvia supposedly. To me the fact that he's in a position to broker anything is an effective admission of his close contact with the Kremlin.

Would love it if he got all his assets in the UK confiscated asap...
I bet he's banking on negotiations being successful because if things get heated after failed negotiations, he's effectively revealed himself to be a close confidant of Putin.
Edit: He's apparently there on Ukraine's side so he's not that close to Putin afterall.
 

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His jet is in Latvia supposedly. To me the fact that he's in a position to broker anything is an effective admission of his close contact with the Kremlin.

Would love it if he got all his assets in the UK confiscated asap...
Sure, let's punish someone who is negotiating on behalf or at least request of Ukraine. Wtf is wrong with some people?
 

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Indeed, we should be wary of angering the Russian public long term because new leaders might exploit that. Japan under the US umbrella is an interesting case study with regards to helping a country after they've been 'punished'.
Different kettle of fish though Japan, 2 atomic bomb aside they kinda accept the naratives that it saves lifes, and they have been given "face" that their emperor may remain in power (no court etc), and there's not much animosity back then, and IIRC they did pick up quite fast after WW2 I think with the help of everyone economically.

Can't say the same with Russia.

Just saying that what works for Japan back then might not work for Russia this time around
 

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I actually think we have in terms of their ground forces. Fat soldiers, old equipment, terrible strategies... :houllier:

We haven't seen their WMDs yet, but we already know what they will do anyway.
In 3 days I don’t think so, Putin didn’t send in the number of forces he could, he thought he could blitz to Kyiv quickly and take it but met resistance he didn’t expect. We have seen no real constant shelling of Kyiv that we could have.
 

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Sure, let's punish someone who is negotiating on behalf or at least request of Ukraine. Wtf is wrong with some people?
Think People were making that comment before realizing He's negotiating on behalf of Putin. I was on the same boat but based on what I've read he seems to be the only Russian Oligarch to respond to Ukraine's plea to assist them in the negotiations so, he's definitely a good guy in all this.
 

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He has derussified Ukraine. Anyone familiar with the region and history knows that is no small feat.
 

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In 3 days I don’t think so, Putin didn’t send in the number of forces he could, he thought he could blitz to Kyiv quickly and take it but met resistance he didn’t expect. We have seen no real constant shelling of Kyiv that we could have.
2/3rds of his military are now bogged down in this.

absolute disaster and a costly one in the pocket too
 

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In 3 days I don’t think so, Putin didn’t send in the number of forces he could, he thought he could blitz to Kyiv quickly and take it but met resistance he didn’t expect. We have seen no real constant shelling of Kyiv that we could have.
That would not serve his purpose. He needed to do this clean. If he wanted to shell everything to oblivion, he may as well pull out the thermobaric bombs on Day 1.
 

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The economic reasons for the war with Ukraine. TLDR it's about Oil, Gas, Money and probably a canal.
 

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Punish? Do some research into how Abramovich acquired his fortune. He's a 100% rock solid cnut.
Sure he is.
Became rich in a very shady way. No one cared.
Financed illegal jewish settlings in the West Bank. No one cared.
Now when he finally seems to be on the right side is when people start calling him out? That's ridiculous.
 

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Sure he is.
Became rich in a very shady way. No one cared.
Financed illegal jewish settlings in the West Bank. No one cared.
Now when he finally seems to be on the right side is when people start calling him out? That's ridiculous.
There is no redemption for these oligarchs. People have been calling him out for years ffs
 

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Sure, let's punish someone who is negotiating on behalf or at least request of Ukraine. Wtf is wrong with some people?
Well i didn’t know it was a Ukrainian request. Also being asked by and actively helping Ukraine are completely separate things. They wouldn’t ask someone who had no clout with Putin and imagine he’s fostered some sort of ties within Ukraine so is approachable. I obviously wish the Ukrainians infinite success in the peace negotiations, although I think Russia will negotiate in terrible faith (as they have done consistently) sadly.

On Roman, he’s clearly a crook so yeah boot him out along with the rest of the oligarchs. Maybe give them the Bill Browder treatment.