I tried to make this point previously.
Be under no illusions, what the Russiab oligarchs have been doing for 20-30 years used to happen in the USSR as well, it just wasn't visible to most people. Hypocrisy is much harder to hide nowadays.
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Be under no illusions, what the Russiab oligarchs have been doing for 20-30 years used to happen in the USSR as well, it just wasn't visible to most people. Hypocrisy is much harder to hide nowadays.
Agreed. It 'sounds' wrong.
Whether it is or not considering the situation they are currently in...it's desperation to survive.
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Not prisoners of war. It is for Ukrainian prisoners, I think, like people who went to jail for whatever reasons.
Russian prisoners of war wouldn't fight for Ukraine anyway.
Surely they have to send somebody out there? What’s the difference between sending prisoner X out or someone else?
Wait, are these PoW? I thought they were regular convicts with combat experience?
I assume you probably get time off your sentence or even a full pardon if you survive. That would be some motivated prisoners.
I think looking through the lense of a comfortable and safe life, it sounds wrong but it's a 'practical' approach.
I think looking through the lense of a comfortable and safe life, it sounds wrong but it's a 'practical' approach.
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Sorry, totally misunderstood
I was confused that they'd be willing to. Prisoners is slightly better, but still morally wrong to send them to the hottest spots.
Given so many ordinary citizens are going to end up fighting maybe people with actual combat experience (even if they're prisoners) are too valuable not to put in areas where they'd be most useful?
Plus depending on what they were in prison for, it may make sense to release them into areas where they're surrounded by professional soldiers rather than more civilian-dominated areas? I dunno.
If nothing else this war should put to death the neoliberal idea that all issues are essentially economic and that all evils can be alleviated over time through trade.
We've empowered autocrats and totalitarian regimes with this belief and it should be beyond clear now that regimes like Russia and China will not transform into open societies as a result of economic prosperity. On the contrary they will use this prosperity to combat free and open societies.
There are in fact moral lines in critical need of being drawn. The western investors on the Russian stock exchange are feeling the effects of it just now.
We've empowered autocrats and totalitarian regimes with this belief and it should be beyond clear now that regimes like Russia and China will not transform into open societies as a result of economic prosperity. On the contrary they will use this prosperity to combat free and open societies.
There are in fact moral lines in critical need of being drawn. The western investors on the Russian stock exchange are feeling the effects of it just now.
They are. Not POWs
They aren’t POW’s they are regular prisoners. It says if they want to fight not mandatory, I don’t see anything wrong with it just more man power on front lines.
Zelly's Heroes?Kelly’s Hero’s.
The Dirty Dozen even
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But I thought some said putin would have already accounted for everything?
In fact, aren't there conventions about releasing prisoners in event of an invasion?
They're only released to fight if they want to, aren't they? Don't see much wrong with that, and in any case it's very easy to condemn such a move if we are not up to speed with what's happening on the ground in Kyiv. Desperate times call for desperate measures.
It's not PoWs you muppet. It is people who were in prison in Ukraine prior to the war, who are within scope of conscription. Keeping them imprisoned and maintaining their incarceration would stop being viable at some point anyway, especially when prison staff will be needed in the war effort too.
That whole debate around the strategic foresight of Russians reminded me of the Super League debacle. Surely, surely those giga-clubs, with insane amounts of money and huge PR staffs, must have foreseen the backlash, must have a clear strategy to navigate the potential pitfalls and to deal with public opinion? And it turned out the answer was no. They were just winging it, pretty much.
From winning at the Bernabau in one of the greatest Champions League upsets of all time to now defending your country - in the same season. Sheriff Tirapsol only went out of the Europa League on Thursday, the day Ukraine was invaded.
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This is what they are saying publicly......imagine the actual conversations going on.
Not opening the stock market was the first real thing Russia has said in a week.
Also "compensate the damage".... is that the printing press i can hear warming up?
Pretty much. Was insane how some felt Putin had everything planned and Ukrainians should immediately surrender as fighting was pointless.
It's not forced conscription either.
It just means that those prisoners who have military experience and would rather be on the front lines than remain in jail are given the choice to do so.
The only moral quandary is whether they should be offered this.
It just means that those prisoners who have military experience and would rather be on the front lines than remain in jail are given the choice to do so.
The only moral quandary is whether they should be offered this.
How countries run their justice system isn't part of any war convention, and why should it? As long as those released are integrated into official military structures everything is gine in that regard.
Rouble under 100 to the USD. Sell the top.
Still getting massive vibes of the early days of COVID too. Some people questioning every action, asking whether everything we are doing is truly necessary? Aren't we all overreacting? Isn't it just flu, etc? That aged well two years later.
No need to mate. There will be no nuclear war. News will be coming up every minute, so it is probably better to ignore this topic altogether. Concentrate on something else. Health comes first and foremost. Take well care of yourself.
Russia could take over Kiev tomorrow and it isn't saving Putin or Russia in any way whatsoever, it wouldn't be much of a win, equivalent of pissing your pants to be warm for a few seconds in the cold, as his and Russias major problem right not isn't what threat Ukraine poses.
There isn't really all that many terms Putin can dictate. One thing is the sanctions towards Russia, but western countries have also united to the point where we are publicly stating we're shipping a shit ton of weapons to support Ukraine. Western companies are scrambling to dump everything related to Russia. He's gone fecked up, badly.
Putin might get away with having some of the sanctions removed if he stops the invasion of Ukraine, probably even some financial carrots under the table to compensate for the damage that the sanctions have already caused. Air space would probably be opened up again for Russian flights etc.
Maybe I am wrong, but I could have sworn I have read condemnations of other countries in recent history who kept their prisoners incarcerated and left to fend for themselves unarmed, even whilst cities were being razed around them.
With the risk of making myself look stupid, would that not make things significantly worse rather than better?
Correct. Those that are willing to fight, it must be added.
Or Iraq's invasion of Kuwait. Surely they expected the international reaction? No, quite the contrary. I read on r/askhistorians that were reports of Iraqi intelligence looking at Western media news to gauge Western sentiment, and even thinking that the US gave them a greenlight.
But I think people expect insanity from leaders like Hussein, North Korea regime and such. Plenty figured Putin though was far too smart to do something so drastic, including me by the way.
Yup, but that is not happening. The Central Bank just increased the interest rates from 10% to 20%. Printing new money makes no sense.
I tried to run with this invasion being Putler's Superleague moment but I didn't get very far
.I am surprised no one has made an Avengers style meme about this whole situation.
Let the killers do the killing eh?
Desperate times call for desperate measures.
Wouldn't want to be their commander though. Some sleepless nights await anyone in charge of that group.
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