Because they were off joining terrorist organisations or unrecognised entities. Going to fight for Ukraine - whilst moronic if you’re remotely untrained - is a different thing entirely.
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There is no racial element to this conflict. There are racist issues in Ukraine, partially enhanced and/or put in the spotlight due to this conflict.
The staggering statistic is about 4,300 dead (or casualties overall) and counting.
And just to give everyone an idea, the US had 4,507 service members killed during the entire Iraq War.
You guys don't get it, you've not walked in my shoes or lived my life. My comments have nothing to do with support for Ukraine, Ukraine deserves all the support it can get. I'm just shocked by the contrast in reactions. Nation states are facilitating people to go defend Ukraine. I spent my whole life terrified of the consequences of expressing support for people in Kashmir or Palestine. If I had ever dared to say Muslims should take up arms to defend people in Kashmir or Palestine, i'd be rotting in a prison cell. Regardless of how I felt, i could never express those feelings. We don't even express such feelings amongst friends or family, because a private conversation today can lead to a public comment tomorrow and then you've got the state down your throat labelling you a terrorist.
What you guys feel today i've felt for 20 years, but have been terrified to even say out loud because of the legal repercussions. I feel like a complete, utter second class citizen in my own home.
These guys get it.
This is it - our resistance is labelled as terrorists.
The other day the Sky News was doing a bit showing how Ukrainian resistance is making molotov cocktails, they were sharing the whole recipe and the process. Meanwhile when i was at Uni, i heard about a foreign student who was doing a PhD related to terrorism who was deported for downloading a manual freely available from the fBI website as part of his research.
A Ukrainian suicide bomber the other day was described as valiant. What he did, was indeed valiant, but its very odd to hear it described as such on TV.
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9,000 men is an outrageous figure considering that they have only taken one major city
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I'd take the troop casualties with a grain of salt to be honest, at this moment.
Yeah we are hearing about this since the 1970’s from western world that our democracy will collapse.
As far as China is concerned, India has to do it alone just like Ukraine. NATO works for country which are small and have smaller armies and it has nothing to do with loser mentality. Infact countries which cant defend their own borders need NATO help ( or US help). As an Indian, i wouldn’t want my country to be dragged into NATO wars all around the world on whims and wishes of US.
We are fine with our neutrality and do not like countries dictating our foreign policy. And dont worry we are doing fine and
are used to moral lectures from western countries on how to run our democratic system. Russia is doing what US has done on multiple accounts. Most of the world who aren’t European and American can see it. But people in these countries on their high moral pedestal cant see it.
Just for example, US lied and led NATO invasion of Iraq for oil and arms Saudis to bomb Yemen for Oil. Threatened Cuba and destroyed its economy because it didnt like countries around its influence was having relationship with USSR. But Russia is bad because its doing something similar. Right answer is both are wrong and non NATO member like us should stay away from your wars.
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But this has nothing to do with that. Making this horrendous conflict and loss of life about something else is shameful to be honest.
Yea I raised this yesterday - we’ve had Russian estimates between 2(!) and 450-500 and Ukrainian estimates (of Russian casualties) between 4,500 and now 9,000. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
Definitely. Not gonna be only the Russians playing the disinformation game.
Russians say 500, Ukrainians say 9000, so I'm guessing around 3000 at this point.
Rich people are mental, think some £100 coffee tastes better than a £3 coffee.
While I have sympathy for your situation Zlatattack I must disagree with the bolded part of your comment.
You absolutely cannot compare what happened with the Ukrainian guy and the bridge, and the suicide bombers that have been part of the mainly Muslim terror attacks. These are designed to cause horror, and death on mainly civilian populations.
The Ukrainian guy was not intending to be a suicide bomber, his intent was to demolish a bridge.
I think you do have points worthy of discussion though, but another thread about double standards may be a better place for it
It has nothing to do with that for you.
What a bizarre take.
I hope that the figures above are all true! But 900 armored personnel carriers? Can this be accurate? On the other hand, Javelins are very lethal and during the last 2 months the Ukrainian army was preparing, so who knows?...
I would be amazed if those numbers were even remotely accurate, sadly.
There’s definitely an element of Western hypocrisy in the reporting, and a racial element in freedom fighting vs terrorism. Imagine British Kashmiris went en masse to fight for Kashmir. I wonder how many would have their passports revoked, or be designated as terrorists.
Even if it is half, it seems a lot , and there is still, if it happens, an urban battle in Kiev+Karkhov, a landing in Odessa and Dnipro, which for the moment has gone unnoticed and by all accounts is very entrenched
This is true... It is also notable though that China and India do account for 2.8 billion people ... Or a putting it another way around 35% of the world population .... Factor in the populations of all the countries who were not in favour of the resolution and you have quite a few
Countries that voted against the resolution
Russia
Belarus
North Korea
Eritrea
Syria
Countries that abstained
Algeria
Angola
Armenia
Bangladesh
Bolivia
Burundi
Central African Republic
China
Congo
Cuba
El Salvador
Equatorial Guinea
India
Iran
Iraq
Kazakhstan
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Madagascar
Mali
Mongolia
Mozambique
Namibia
Nicaragua
Pakistan
Senegal
South Africa
South Sudan
Sri Lanka
Sudan
Tajikistan
Tanzania
Uganda
Vietnam
Zimbabwe
Anyway it breaks down if you look at it by population that around 54% of the world's representatives did not back the resolution
Of course you could spin the same stats and say only 5 out of 193 or less than 3% of members voted against it.
Lies damn lies and statistics as they say.... But for sure the fact that there is some very large countries (by population) it can be said that there is a majority not in favour and a huge majority of non NATO countries not in favour of the UN resolution
I'm not drawing a comparison, those Al Queda types and the Hamas attacks on civillians etc are not the same as what the Ukrainian solider did. He actually WAS valiant.
It was just odd to hear it said.
Honestly, i feel guilty about that too.
lets not even discuss it in this thread. i feel bad, because it kind of takes attention away from Ukraine.
Not really. It was 2 on Tuesday and close to 500 on Wednesday. Not in between, just that the number of official deaths increases.
I am pretty sure that the number is in the thousands. Russia is a machine of propaganda, and UK/US sources think that the number of Russian casualties is significant. It probably is not as much as Ukraine says, but it has to be in the thousands.
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Objectively it has nothing to do with it. I appreciate that seeing the reporting of this conflict may raise questions for some about how other reporting is carried out but this conflict itself objectively has nothing to do with Muslims going to fight elsewhere.
Fair play and I don't mean to minimize the double standards that undoubtedly happen in how these things are reported. You're certainly not wrong there. I just don't feel great about the focus being shifted from the horrors ongoing right now.
You have 30 posts in this thread. Zero of them about Russia's invasion to Ukraine, so you seem to be an expert on hypocrisy.
In what way?
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I’m pretty sure these are made up anyway.
To be fair £3 coffee in the UK is barely drinkable.
As well as the planes - 30 is a humongous number for one week
It's an absolute joke, isn't it? Some people just cannot help but bang about their misfortunes on every single occasion. Pathetic stuff.
16000 foreign volunteers fighting on the Ukrainian side, according to Zelenskyy.
Considering Russia has deployed similar number troops that US had done for Iraq and Ukraine has more firepower, numbers may be high but i certainly dont think its that high. Plus air force is not yet involved heavily so fighter plane and helicopter number is definitely wrong.
So apparently Russian planes have violated Swedish airspace during an exercise.
Putin's in for a rude shock if he thinks he's going to walk over the Swedes and the Finns. Sweden in particular is well armed.
Hope they join NATO asap.
Putin's in for a rude shock if he thinks he's going to walk over the Swedes and the Finns. Sweden in particular is well armed.
Hope they join NATO asap.
Not sure why you're making excuses for Putin or claiming his actions in Ukraine are understandable.
You say 'If NATO doesn't back off' as if they are the agressor. How about Putin backs off?