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Depends where you go, Wibbs. Some good coffee shops around. The mainstream ones like Costa and Starbucks are awful though.To be fair £3 coffee in the UK is barely drinkable.
Depends where you go, Wibbs. Some good coffee shops around. The mainstream ones like Costa and Starbucks are awful though.To be fair £3 coffee in the UK is barely drinkable.
yep you‘ve had some stellar contributions to this thread yourself:You have 30 posts in this thread. Zero of them about Russia's invasion to Ukraine, so you seem to be an expert on hypocrisy.
Why don't you take your US bullshit to some other thread, there are many to choose from.
Nah. It is about Putin attacking neighbouring country. You Americans have a tendency to think everything is about you.
Does @JPRouve still think it is a training exercise? Are people still yelling "BOTH SIDES"?
You're a pos.
you are really fcking stupid arent you.
I don't think being ghosted is the goal on tinder.
And this is before you were schooled before the invasion kicked off by Florida Man.Keep crying.
It might not to you but clearly this conflict has an associated impact on others, you really shouldn't be denying the validity of those feelings/stressors.But this has nothing to do with that. Making this horrendous conflict and loss of life about something else is shameful to be honest.
personally I don’t think anyone is or was arguing it in terms of ‘objectively’ or that it is shifting focus. It’s possibly to be concerned or care about many atrocities and I don’t think it’s wrong to point out the hypocrisies or personal feelings of certain groups or people. Plus many of the issues and concerns that Muslims face aren’t conflicts that have happened years ago but issues that are still ongoing and are a very real part of daily life. But that’s for another thread and I’d echo @Zlatattack that it’s best to discuss that in another thread.Objectively it has nothing to do with it. I appreciate that seeing the reporting of this conflict may raise questions for some about how other reporting is carried out but this conflict itself objectively has nothing to do with Muslims going to fight elsewhere.
Fair play and I don't mean to minimize the double standards that undoubtedly happen in how these things are reported. You're certainly not wrong there. I just don't feel great about the focus being shifted from the horrors ongoing right now.
Do not let anyone guilt you into feeling bad, it's a valid point and the discourse has a place because it Puts into perspective the hypocrisy of being behind fighting a war between other countries, when it's in fact illegal in this country to do so, and an act of terrorism to pick up a weapon on a battlefield anywhere else in the world.lets not even discuss it in this thread. i feel bad, because it kind of takes attention away from Ukraine.
I couldn't hope to get it the way you do of course but I absolutely understand and agree with what you're saying. I hate the way these politicians rip people apart using religion for their gains. What's happening here was well under the current govt infuriates me so much that I don't even feel anything for my country anymore. Even Hindus who hate what's happening can't speak about it openly or in social media so I can totally understand how bad it is for Muslims. It's just that what's happening in Ukraine is happening now and it doesn't feel right to bring other issues into it.You guys don't get it, you've not walked in my shoes or lived my life. My comments have nothing to do with support for Ukraine, Ukraine deserves all the support it can get. I'm just shocked by the contrast in reactions. Nation states are facilitating people to go defend Ukraine. I spent my whole life terrified of the consequences of expressing support for people in Kashmir or Palestine. If I had ever dared to say Muslims should take up arms to defend people in Kashmir or Palestine, i'd be rotting in a prison cell. Regardless of how I felt, i could never express those feelings. We don't even express such feelings amongst friends or family, because a private conversation today can lead to a public comment tomorrow and then you've got the state down your throat labelling you a terrorist.
What you guys feel today i've felt for 20 years, but have been terrified to even say out loud because of the legal repercussions. I feel like a complete, utter second class citizen in my own home.
These guys get it.
Could be true. Russia didn't throw their most modern tanks at this, they used a few older tanks and lots of lighter armour presumably because they knew Ukraine would be fighting with outdated Soviet era equipment, and they didn't think they would put up much of a fight. They didn't count on all this new equipment being donated that can cut through a BTR like it's cardboard.I hope that the figures above are all true! But 900 armored personnel carriers? Can this be accurate? On the other hand, Javelins are very lethal and during the last 2 months the Ukrainian army was preparing, so who knows?...
Who’s saying it gives an excuse for Russia to invade? Has anyone said that?Can we leave the what ifs and hypocrisy debate till after Russia gets the feck out of Ukraine?
Yes, it's clear the West hasn't done everything right in the past years, but that doesn't give Russia an excuse to bomb the feck out of civilians.
Schooled by Florida man. Dear god you are dumber than I thought.yep you‘ve had some stellar contributions to this thread yourself:
And this is before you were schooled before the invasion kicked off by Florida Man.
If we are not trying to excuse them, then we should leave the meta thinking to after the war, or the other 'Wataboutwhatever" thread.Who’s saying it gives an excuse for Russia to invade? Has anyone said that?
I addressed all of this in a previous comment. Don't mean this to sound snippy, just that I addressed these points earlier.It might not to you but clearly this conflict has an associated impact on others, you really shouldn't be denying the validity of those feelings/stressors.
I know anything that comes across as anti-west riles some up but a bit of empathy and understanding wouldn't be the worst thing.
Its not an excuse. Its just my understanding of why Russia wanted to invade. I didnt say it was morally correct and defended Russian blatant aggression.Not sure why you're making excuses for Putin or claiming his actions in Ukraine are understandable.
You say 'If NATO doesn't back off' as if they are the agressor. How about Putin backs off?
Nothing new in that. They violate or threaten to violate UK airspace on a regular basis. And have done for many years.So apparently Russian planes have violated Swedish airspace during an exercise.
Putin's in for a rude shock if he thinks he's going to walk over the Swedes and the Finns. Sweden in particular is well armed.
Hope they join NATO asap.
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Honestly don’t know what their goal is anymore. Are they actually trying to start war vs NATO already or just acting tough?Lavrov is claiming that the west is preparing for war and that leaders of the west is thinking of starting a nuclear war. They are propably implementing Martial Law in Russia soon, and preparing their population for that I think.
Jesus you're really a pain in the ass in every topic, aren't you?yep you‘ve had some stellar contributions to this thread yourself:
And this is before you were schooled before the invasion kicked off by Florida Man.
I second thatSchooled by Florida man. Dear god you are dumber than I thought.
Agree with this...there is definitely room to care about all the bad stuff in the world. I just don't feel that a thread talking about this specific conflict and the loss of life associated with it is the right one. But that's just my take.personally I don’t think anyone is or was arguing it in terms of ‘objectively’ or that it is shifting focus. It’s possibly to be concerned or care about many atrocities and I don’t think it’s wrong to point out the hypocrisies or personal feelings of certain groups or people. Plus many of the issues and concerns that Muslims face aren’t conflicts that have happened years ago but issues that are still ongoing and are a very real part of daily life. But that’s for another thread and I’d echo @Zlatattack that it’s best to discuss that in another thread.
I suspect they'd suffer more in an all out war between Russia and the West which would be one of the main alternatives to economic sanctions.I do not condone blanket sanctions to any country, be it yemen, north korea, etc.
It's inhumane to make people suffer. There are people that need medication, food etc and unable to do so due to the crippling sanction.
By all means take them to war, kill and fight but leave the civilians alone.
No, disagree. Some of the incidents that have been raised are 100% related to this conflict and should be discussed as so. The treatment of non-white foreign nationals for one, the foreign fighters joining the Ukrainian resistance etc.If we are not trying to excuse them, then we should leave the meta thinking to after the war, or the other 'Wataboutwhatever" thread.
I just didn’t like how you somehow twisted his opinion, whether you find it relevant or not, to somehow make it out that he was trying to take “advantage” of this situation to make a point and push and agenda and how you labelled it as shameful. I think that’s incredibly dismissive and disrespectful if I’m honest. I’m all fine with you saying it’s not on the topic of this Ukraine situation (although I disagree to some extent - because we are talking about foreign fighters going abroad to fight, which is directly relevant to what’s happening), was just unnecessary (in my view) to take that swipe at the end.In what way?
I think this has to do with controlling their own population and protect Putins regime, more than wanting a world war.Honestly don’t know what their goal is anymore. Are they actually trying to start war vs NATO already or just acting tough?
yep you‘ve had some stellar contributions to this thread yourself:
And this is before you were schooled before the invasion kicked off by Florida Man.
This is the guy you are agreeing with.Nah, yall are just centering around this one thing and ignoring the rest of what I say. None of yall had a single thing to respond to until that bit. Ultimately, the US are the aggressors as usual, and the comments around Putin in this thread are comical.
Yeah I reckon the end game for this might actually be Russia ending up completely isolated with their population largely hating the West, except for the lucky ones who are able to escape. Whatever happens in Ukraine for the rest of war they will spin it regardless.I think this has to do with controlling their own population and protect Putins regime, more than wanting a world war.
Admittedly, I didn’t go that far back.This is the guy you are agreeing with.
Sure. But there's also comparisons to Kashmir, Palestine, Yemen, Muslims, Christians..etc etc etcNo, disagree. Some of the incidents that have been raised are 100% related to this conflict and should be discussed as so. The treatment of non-white foreign nationals for one, the foreign fighters joining the Ukrainian resistance etc.
Why can't people discuss what they want, when they want? I really don't get this view.. It's like a skewed twisted version of something which was once liberal.Can we leave the what ifs and hypocrisy debate till after Russia gets the feck out of Ukraine?
Yes there’s a separate thread for that discussion in detail, but it’s usually raised after people notice the double standards in reporting, and the treatment of non-white foreign nationals etc.Sure. But there's also comparisons to Kashmir, Palestine, Yemen, Muslims, Christians..etc etc etc
There's another time/thread for that.
NATO is not expanding east. Free and democratic countries are choosing to apply, note that word, apply to join NATO. As well as applying to j the EU in many cases. So why is Putin not choosing to attack the EU. Answer. He knows what the outcome would be. And instead, has chosen to invade Ukraine because he believes it is an easier target. It is typical bullying tactics by someone who so obviously feels completely insecure.Its not an excuse. Its just my understanding of why Russia wanted to invade. I didnt say it was morally correct and defended Russian blatant aggression.
And yes NATO needs to back off. No superpower will like their sphere of influence reduced. US has historically reacted like that so Russia response is very much in line with that.
As far as Ukraine is concerned, i couldn’t care less so my observation is not based on emotion. Both NATO and Russia are responsible for this and Russia should not have invaded and is much larger guilty party. But it was put in a very difficult position with NATO expanding eastward. There are no black and white answer here.
They can, there's a separate thread for it! I read it too and agree with some of it.Why can't people discuss what they want, when they want? I really don't get this view.. It's like a skewed twisted version of something which was once liberal.
I do think it's out of order to use an ongoing humanitarian crisis as a springboard to discuss something else that's not directly relevant in that specific thread, as I think it draws attention away from the central issue. Which is, when all is said and done, killing and destruction on a massive scale. Maybe shameful was a little strong, but I do think it's out of order. The poster in question agreed it's one for another thread, though, and I also said that I wasn't trying to minimize the significance of some of the double standards in reporting etc.I just didn’t like how you somehow twisted his opinion, whether you find it relevant or not, to somehow make it out that he was trying to take “advantage” of this situation to make a point and push and agenda and how you labelled it as shameful. I think that’s incredibly dismissive and disrespectful if I’m honest. I’m all fine with you saying it’s not on the topic of this Ukraine situation (although I disagree to some extent - because we are talking about foreign fighters going abroad to fight, which is directly relevant to what’s happening), was just unnecessary (in my view) to take that swipe at the end.
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I been a pos to assholes in this thread. Anyone I have assaulted has deserved it. I don't give a shit anymore. Redcafe is a terrible place nowadays. The fact that you were best newbie promoted is a testament to it. The mods let anyone spread any lies and anti-vax bs and conspiracy theories as much as possible. They let hansifickmich troll the United forum. They let Russian trolls spread their bs, heck one of the mods is a russian troll pos.Admittedly, I didn’t go that far back.
The way his war in Ukraine goes and considering that the economy is already tumbling, I doubt he could pull that off even if he wanted to. They can't even get the logistics in Ukraine right.So apparently Russian planes have violated Swedish airspace during an exercise.
Putin's in for a rude shock if he thinks he's going to walk over the Swedes and the Finns. Sweden in particular is well armed.
Hope they join NATO asap.
They are not even trying to have a coherent communication. It'd be pretty cartoonish if it wasn't so real.
Is he struggling to remember what they've been saying in the past. They've been threatening with nuclear weapons since they started the invasion and now he's going on about how it's the west talking about nuclear war.